Luke Jones schrieb:
Are you implying that non-power users would not click a button to change the default desktop? If so, then I would suggest that the default DE be made Gnome which is far more user-friendly to new users - and power-users can click the button for KDE.
And me and others assert that KDE Plasma is actually more new-user-friendly than GNOME. Power users are easily able to make a choice (as they know what ot means), new users have no clue what's "better" for them (heck, we can't even agree in here what's "better" for anyone but at least we all have personal preferences, which someone who doesn't know any of the DEs can't have yet). In fact, we probably will never know what is "better" for new users unless we have a quantitive user study that can tell us that (and then we'd probably fight about why it's actually irrelevant what that data says because everyone here thinks they know better). In the end, when neither the default DE, nor anything else makes openSUSE stand out from the other distros, we don't have to wonder why nobody outside this community really cares if openSUSE exists at all, and why it's more and more moving from "one of the bigger" to "yet another of the smaller" distros - and I'm not counting those that still despise everything with "SUSE" in the name because YaST 1.x burned their fingers years ago. In this discussion, like in quite a few others, I feel like this distro and community has a major identity crisis. It's swimming around somewhere without really knowing what it should or wants to be and how/why that makes it stand out from the rest and a good choice when compared to the actually big distros of nowadays (ubuntu, ubtuntu, ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Mint, others?). Don't get me wrong, I think OBS is really awesome, Tumbleweed is the only really working pretty-stable rolling distro I know of, Leap is a good choice even on my servers, TW is even nice to use on Raspberry Pi for example, and I prefer the nice and collected admin tools of YaST 2 to most commandline administration options (even though I'm sad every time I update TW because there's no equivalent to "zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change" in YaST that I can click through). And Plasma 5 i actually a really nice DE to work with, and one that I think fits well with "Linux newbies" as well as professionals that customize the heck out of it - but then, that's only one of the choices we offer. KaiRo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org