On 03/07/2017 06:54 PM, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Tuesday, 7 March 2017 8:37 Simon Lees wrote:
In this case it sounds like your the sort of person who will just install the "enhanced base" pattern and be happy to have all the tools your after. This is exactly what we have in SLE at the moment, for clarification i'll post the two pattern descriptions for you, everything i've removed is now in the enhanced base pattern.
Minimal: This is the minimal openSUSE runtime system. It is really a minimal system, you can login and a shell will be started, that's all. It is intended as base for Appliances.
Base: This is the base runtime system. It contains only a minimal multiuser booting system. For running on real hardware, you need to add additional packages and pattern to make this pattern useful on its own.
As I said in my previous e-mail, this would make sense if we assumed every installation works without problems and ends up installing and configuring everything as intended. This is not the case in real life, unfortunately. I may be biased after spending big part of my career by fixing broken systems but it's really frustrating when you have to invent clever hacks to work around someone kicking out basic diagnostic and configuration tools as expendable.
As I said previously the "base" pattern is the minimal possible that can be put on hardware or in a VM it is designed for the server farm / large number of instances configured externally usecase it is meant to be as small as possible. This is why we also provide "enhanced base" to provide a more complete usecase, Maybe we could do the following renaming to make people happy minimal => tiny, base => minimal and enhanced base => base. Know one came up with better ideas here other then providing a decent description but renaming these later isn't hard, again for now were taking the SLE names for backward compat. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B