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Re: [opensuse-factory] [Leap 42.1] Found a .doc document that LilbreOffice fails to render correctly. From the administration.
  • From: Richard Brown <RBrownCCB@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 19:37:56 +0200
  • Message-id: <CAA0b23ybwFLuKSRPazWhH+L38h+oLdj3fspig+y5qHUa=N=1Bg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2015-10-23 18:12, Richard Brown wrote:

'Noise':
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00028.html

What on earth is wrong here? It is a technical question, of an issue
that happens in Leap and not in other releases, as far as I know.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00019.html

Again, a technical issue. Later it turned out that it was caused by a
known bug, that caused a huge corruption in the rpm database and half
installed packages. Now I know how to work around that bug, which was
pointed to me in one of these threads, but at the moment of posting I
did not know.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00045.html

Again, a technical issue, caused by the same bug as the former,
already reported by someone else.

Why do you object to people asking technical issues in a technical
mail list? Or rather, to *me* asking?

Notice that user questions for Leap in beta/rc phase are to be asked
in the factory mail list, not in the standard mail list.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00047.html

A technical question about a change in Leap. The information obtained
was helpful and interesting. I don't see the noise there at all.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00049.html

A technical issue, the same as in the second post of this list of
links. But I did not know at the time.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00062.html

Same thing.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00091.html

Technical question, asked in the proper mail list. Got a fast answer.


I can't understand your complain with these posts? They were made in
the proper mail list, one issue per email. Certainly not noise. Some
time later, all of them turned to be caused by the same root issue,
but that was not known initially.


http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00159.html

Technical question in the correct mail list.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00454.html

Information post for those that can do something about it. Absolutely
correct post.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00670.html

Well, I should have written this differently, yes, but I'm not perfect :-}

I got fast a correct answer/hint from Andrei, and the issue was solved
in three hours.

Then others started complaining that they could not understand the
post. Sorry, my fault for not wording it correctly. Next time will be
better.




Argumentative/Disparagement of other Contributors/Threats of
non-contribution@
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-10/msg00052.html

I see no threat or disparage here. It is a simple statement of facts.
I can not work with such a platform. It is final because I see no way
to get around it.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2015-10/msg00011.html

That

was not me, or not only me. One contributor found a very bad
issue, and asked (that's the first post of the thread). I was as
surprised as the rest. Several contributors expressed views similar to
mine. I simply was one of the first. Perhaps I talk more than others.
Others sent me private posts, agreeing.

Yet you only have issues against me. Why?

On 24 October 2015 at 17:36, Carlos E. R. <carlos.e.r@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On 2015-10-24 17:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2015-10/msg00011.html


That

was not me, or not only me. One contributor found a very bad issue,
and asked (that's the first post of the thread). I was as surprised
as the rest. Several contributors expressed views similar to mine.
I simply was one of the first. Perhaps I talk more than others.
Others sent me private posts, agreeing.


See, for instance, an explanation of that issue by another contributor:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-10/msg00057.html

He says the same as me, in better words. Yet I'm the bad guy! :-(

Carlos,

This is not a personal vendetta and I most certainly do not hate you

One of the reasons I was not the one to reply to you with the formal
email from the Board was because I wanted it to be very clear that the
opinion from the Board was a collective one.
Given only a minority of the Board have been directly involved in
discussions with you lately, the fact the Board collectively put
together that message should go a long way to express how even the
less involved (and therefore more impartial) Board members feel this
issue requires dealing with.

Arguing against every point I use to illustrate why the Board feels
your behaviour is problematic is just another example of your
problematic behaviour, so I want to try one last time to explain this
so we can hopefully move on productively.

To put it briefly and clearly, the issue is not any one of those
emails, not any one of those threads.

Yes, I agree you can find examples of other people who share similar
opinions and conduct themselves in a similar way to you. That on it's
own is not the problem.

I also agree you can find examples of other people who post to this
mailinglist topics which really should be bug reports in Bugzilla.
That on it's own is not the problem.

At this point I was hoping to say "you can even find people who post
as much as you to this list" but at 94 emails out of 880 this month
you are the undisputed source of more posts on this list than anyone
else, by a significant margin

It's really a case of those factors, added together and considered as
a whole, which turns your behaviour from a 'minor annoyance' to a
'problem that requires addressing'

This isn't a matter of censorship.

I don't mind if you don't change WHAT you post, or HOW you post, or
HOW MUCH you post, but at least one of those things needs to change.

And it's not just for my benefit, or even the benefit of the 800+
subscribers of this list, or even other lists.. part of my concern
over all of this includes concern for you and yourself

You clearly have problems with the direction of the project, you
object strongly to other contributions being carried out by other
contributors, you've made it clear that while you're willing to talk
at great length about the issues you perceive there are limits to what
you are willing to learn or do to change it.

Single-handled producing 10% of this lists traffic does not seem like
a productive course of action. I'm sure there are other things you'd
rather be doing.

With that all considered, maybe its in your best interest as well as
the best interest of this Project to consider whether or not you
should post here at all.

I hope it doesn't come to that, but the Board has resolved to take the
action required if it becomes necessary.
Please take this opportunity to make it unnecessary, I don't know
about you, but I'm getting tired of these long discussions, and I'm
pretty sure everyone is getting fed up of reading them.

- Rich
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