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Re: [opensuse-factory] Calling for a new openSUSE development model
  • From: Jos Poortvliet <jos@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:21:22 +0200
  • Message-id: <4431737.StFvLRkW3x@linux-6upc>
On Wednesday 20 June 2012 00:16:15 M. Edward Borasky wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Jos Poortvliet <jos@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Friday 15 June 2012 09:31:19 Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:
How about defining a stable core (should include at least ~200MB JeOS
packages (kernel,bash,zypper,...)) and we run automated tests (e.g. on
openQA.o.o) on a Staging area before making it the new stable core.
If something unexpected breaks, we revert the change, extend the tests
to catch the breakage and fix the breakage in Staging.

I like this idea as it would make testing an integral part of how we
work. Nobody has an opinion about this?

I like it. If you set the cutoff at 220 MB you can get more than JeOS,
I think. On 12.1 a SUSE Studio minimal X with installer builds at
about 220 MB. You get IceWM, xterms, and a YaST GUI too, I think. But
no browser. With a little shuffling you could probably get the laptop
stuff in there and maybe a browser.

220 MB is a mini-CD.

We could do the same (with possibly less strict rules) with an
extended core that includes packages that are important for many, like
X11 and firefox but not necessarily KDE or GNOME, because
a) they are huge and
b) you always have alternatives if they break.

It could, in turn, even become our distribution. We'd just release that
core, then OBS etc provides the rest via either devel projects, or
Tumbleweed, or both. Then at release time we release slightly tested
snapshots of Tumbleweed on top of the latest core.

We could even quite easy to more regular releases (tied to the Linux
Kernel, maybe? 3-4 months?) and 'sub projects' like KDE, GNOME or other
devel teams could do releases on their own, with a set of packages the
put on a stable core and put into a ISO image.

As long as the bigger projects - KDE, GNOME, XFCE, even LXDE have
*minimal* customization, I think this works. Upstream or branded is
fine, but not something like Unity or the openSUSE GNOME 2 "slab". The
desktop projects work hard on their user interfaces and I think they
know what they're doing, even if Mark Shuttleworth or Linus Torvalds
don't. ;-)

It might require some work on the download to make the
build service projects (esp the normal devel ones) a bit more prominent as
they will become really important - see

Realistically, I think the days of a full KDE or GNOME plus
LibreOffice fitting on 700 MB are over. It's really too bad there
isn't an open source licensed "cloud" document suite as good as

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