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Re: [opensuse-factory] yast sw mgmt - Gnome & KDE really different?
  • From: houghi <houghi@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:27:48 +0100
  • Message-id: <20091124112748.GA29347@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:33:35AM +0100, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Am Sun 22 Nov 2009 10:00:00 AM CET schrieb houghi <houghi@xxxxxxxxxx>:

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 02:17:28PM +0000, Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
If there's GNOME/KDE/XFCE interoperability issues, isn't that
something to refer to

Why stop there. There are others, like Windowmaker and IceWM.

Unfortunatly what I see is that many things are done either the KDE way,
the GNOME way or no way at all. But I am not even going to push this, or
try to go to the right place.

The majority of all computer users just does not care, which desktop is
running. They want to start Firefox, Emacs, OpenOffice--and do their
work. And hear musik or organize photos, etc.

The majority of computer users are using Windows. As we are using Linux, I
do not think that a simple count is sufficient to motivate things.
Another example would be people who made sites only for IE, because the
majority used IE anyway.

Those who want to run a dedicated windowmanager such as WW or IceWM
will probably know, how to customize the menu system according to
their need or to set a lovely background image.

There is simply no need to offer a special WW or IcsWM desktop, as long
as two other desktops are available.

It is not about offering. It is about thinking outside the KDE/GNOME box.
It is also not about custiomization of the menu. That already works. I am
talking about things that only work for KDE or GNOME.

Instead of making a tool for the GUI, a tool is made for KDE and a tool is
made for GNOME. I have two issues with that:
1) It takes twice as many people to do it
2) It leaves out everyuthing else

Firefox, Emacs and OOo are great examples of how it SHOULD be. Konqueror,
Kate and Koffice are how they NOT should be.

There are different examples that wast time in my point of view. A KDE and
a GNOME YaST instead of a GUI YaST that is for all to see. I asume the
reason is that it looks nicer.

So if what you are saying is true: people are only interested in running
programs, then why are there two different GUI versions? And please
understand this is just an example and a bad one as it is an exampkle.
There are more things where programs are made twice or even three times.
Once for KDE, once for GNOME and once for everybody else.

It feels like a devide and cconquor sort of thing. Three times as many
developers means three times as many packages to maintain. So it is
understandable that things wil drop out.

I believe that if you think upfront that things are to be used in a GUI
and not in KDE/GNOME you already take a HUGEstep in the right direction.
That way people can make their own choice if they want to use KDE/GNOME or

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