Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Monday 13 Jul 2009 09:54:40 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Samstag 11 Juli 2009 schrieb Dean Hilkewich:
The drop of KDE 3 is a very good example. Once in a while someone comes around arguing that dropping KDE 3 is a bad idea and KDE4 is much worse, ... - if invited to maintain KDE:KDE3 -> silence. Unfortunately a lot of us are not programmers so cant maintain stuff other than very rudementry stuff .
That said it does not take away the fact that the dropping of KDE3 was a bad bad move IF KDE4 had been released in a somewhat more user friendly condition then maybe the reception may not have been quite as hostile as it was .
As i had said right form the start the method of release was wrong .
That said KDE4 i just about starting to show usefull but still lots of gripes one being the lack of clear info on what repos are and are not needed to update to the latest KDE4.3 (that one is still bugging the life out of me) how when you ask a simple question can someone find so many ways to wriggle out of giving a direct answer it beats me he must be an MP .
As for KDE4, upstream it was announced that the idea was to release and get bug reports so that they wouldn't have an avalanche when it finally was released. I understood that and have gone back to KDE3 on boxes where it's been problematical and getting in the way of what I need to do - with KDE4 qjackctl, VirtualBox, yast2 from the commandline and others get stuck in FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE when run as root, but are fine as user and when run as root across a ssh -X connection, with KDE3 they all works fine.
Sure some features need to be done by it's maintainers, e.g. disabling beagle by default is done easily by everyone but still the maintainers should be convinced by arguments not by one line patches. Same goes for pulseaudio and the like. I don't have any sound problems on factory though, so I wonder why pulseaudio is still a problem to some.
I have problems with pulseaudio as can bee seem from previous posts where audio in firefox doesn't play and likewise "aplay /jet.wav" is silent, but gmplayer and kaffeine with my TV card is fine. Can't untangle that one and the one suggestion to remove ~/.pulse* doesn't work.
Greetings, Stephan Do you not think that some of these so called features should maybe have NOT been included to start with when they were/are so bug ridden .
You would think someone would install and run the stuff to check thru it before actually sticking it out for release (all be it a strangley named Alpha release) there should still be a certain amount of QA carried out to check that the stuff actually meets reasonable standards of reliability and usability
Pete .
I must say that most problems crept in at late Alpha through Milestone 3. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org