Pascal Bleser wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Reading this thread, let me ask some meta-questions: * please give facts why you choose something * openSUSE will eventually remove KDE3 and move completely to KDE4. What criteria do you have for this move? We should try to come to a firm decision and not start from scratch with every release. * What are *you* doing to improve the situation? Supporting two KDE versions is work - and therefore our KDE developers cannot invest as much in KDE4 as they would want to do. How do *you* want to help the KDE developers - both the openSUSE ones with packages and the upstream team? Always remember we're speaking about Open Source software here ;)
* And let's please try to keep the thread focused, it's too large to drift off into rant land, thanks :)
I'm pretty puzzled. I understand what's at stake. Clearly: * if the KDE packagers+devs @Novell are busy with keeping KDE3, they'll have less time to improve KDE4 (fix bugs, backport, don't assume it's all bling) * KDE3 will die anyway, whether we like it or not, and keeping KDE3 for 2 years will be an even bigger burden in one year's time than it would be now (other distros won't ship it, and I would assume almost no non-Novell KDE devs will work on KDE3 maintenance in a few months' time)
But I'm afraid that not having a stable KDE3 as a fallback option could have terrible consequences. And I'm not talking about experienced users with a proper internet link, those can simply add the KDE:KDE3 repository and be done with it.
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I'm currently rather in favour of keeping a KDE3 desktop as a fallback option on 11.1, hoping that KDE4 will have matured sufficiently for 11.2 to be a solid working horse by then.
But well.. if KDE3 is not shipped as an installation option, it must be *very* clearly stated in the desktop chooser that KDE3 is available from add-on repositories (and maybe make it possible to add that repo during installation and grab it from there ?)
I fear that only <50% of users will be aware that KDE3 is available from OBS repos. Just because _we_ know it's there doesn't mean everyone will find out.
I come out of my self-imposed 'retirement' to applaud and support the sentiments expressed in your message, Pascal. openSUSE/Novell has a lot to lose if rational thought, and sane decisions, as were evident in the pre-Novell days, does not reassert itself re SuSE. Ciao. -- It's not possible to operate honestly using a basis of dishonesty. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org