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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BETT
  • From: Thomas Dyer <dyert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:06:40 +0000 (UTC)
  • Message-id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501071400140.4311-100000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Thats my thoughts about Rekall. Unlike Access, it actually exposes a bit
of database theory, especially if you plug it into a proper database at
the backend.

It's definately NOT the de facto, but it is graphical, and it is pretty,
and it does the "forms" thing.


On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Thomas Adam wrote:

> --- linuxgirlie <linuxgirlie@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I have strong views on databases in
> > schools and believe they should be taught something they can use out
> > of school and not something useless.
> What would you suggest they get taught, then? I only ever had the pleasure
> of using Access for three reasons:
> 1. It's the de facto under Windows.
> 2. It's graphical so that anyone (including the dog and cat) can use it.
> 3. It's all the teachers are able to "teach" (although, I'll cast aside
> their grasp on RDMS).
> Access is dire -- I agree, but it is a trade off between using that in an
> environment that is already recognised by the students, and plonking them
> down at a Linux console with nothing but a MySQL prompt.
> Any serious company would never use Access. If they did, they can fully
> expect to get what they deserve. Of course, as fortune would have it, the
> roles that most databases play are "back-end" places -- so the need for
> use is limited only to scripting via some form (dynamic website?). This
> usually suggests a "proper" database (not access) is being used.
> Although, again, if it is "classic ASP", I can still laugh.
> I really would like to see an alternative to MS-Access being taught in
> schools. It's a shame (as per the same argument about Linux being used in
> schools) that MySQl (or postgresql) is not used. But I suppose there are
> good reasons for that. You'd have to teach the students about SQL as a
> language (and if it were anything decent, 'normalisation' too). But this
> is too advanced, I'd have said.
> So, we fall back upon Access. The "toy" database. My own views are that if
> Access has to be taught, that it isn't taught at all. You can't learn
> anything from it, other than you can move a mouse around the screen, and
> create pretty forms. The _real_ work behind it is done for you -- albeit
> poorly.
> -- Thomas Adam
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