I have noted since I joined this list that most discussed points are political and most contributors seem to have slight arrogance here. I I myself make no apologies for the politics inherent in my life and work. I am a socialist and use open source because it ties in with my ideological take on the world. For me, life is politics, it's as simple as that. I'm not sure about arrogance, depite my comments to Thomas. I think that many
posted several technical queries here before but no replies came back. When I however made some political points, tons of posts started to flood in. Even if we all have a strong trend to support OSS some people seem to still disagree pointlessly. That is my feeling anyway. People that are passionate about things will see things in minutiae and
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 8:16 pm, ICT Support Officer wrote: people here have a great deal of knowledge which they give freely to others. Sometimes, it may come across as arrogant as the people giving out the information may sometimes forget that others in the list do not have their experience. As a teacher I have to explain things as much as possible in as many different ways as possible. Nothing against some of the technical people on this list but they may not always have the same patience for things that they take for granted. At the end of the day howver, the information and support on this list has got me a long way in my understanding and use of Linux. therefore argue strongly over things which from the outside may seem trivial. Sometimes I diagree strongly and get involved, other times I sit back and just read in disbelief, but I stay on.
For that reason I am unsubscribing and looking at other mail lists for practicality.
That's a shame because I thought you contributed a great deal to this list.
Regards to all
M Gural
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Taylor [mailto:ptaylor@uklinux.net] Sent: 07 December 2003 19:27 To: suse-linux-uk-schools@suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Turning Japanese - lessons in patience
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 6:34 pm, Thomas Adam wrote:
--- Paul Taylor
wrote: I've done all that Thomas but it still doesn't work. With Mandrake you
Doesn't work? What, you mean it didn't play a fanfare for you, or did perhaps play a song for you instead?
As usual your condescending tone is rather churlish and unhelpful. Yes I am a point and click user as are many on this list and no I don't have endless hours as part of a university course to play around with configuration files. A simple, "try this" would suffice. If all you can offer is condescension I
would prefer you just bite your lip and keep quite. I am teaching Linux at school and influencing many students to adopt the system in a gradual manner
as the dominant paradigm is a "point and click" system. If I turn around and chastice students arogantly because they have not recompiled a driver in order to make their system work which works perfectly well under Windows I will not get very far.
That "doesn't work" is an UTTERLY useless comment, Paul. Did you get any errors? What have you tried to do to perhaps fix it?
If I had any errors that meant anything I would post them for comment. It doesn't work means, it doesn't work.
press Shift + Space and an IME window pops up in the application. I need something as painless as that.
Well, I recommend you install Mandrake over SuSE in that case. Sorry, but if you want to be a point and click man like that, maybe window is more suited to you?
Despite this I will continue to use SuSE as I have done in my presumably pointless 'point and click' way as I have done for several years. I will also continue to coax and encourage students to use the system and where possible give them guidance and meaningful support about how to get over problems. Saying that you have to do it CLI all the time seems to me to be a
stance more atuned to a system that dictates how you should do it with little option about how to change it - maybe windows is more suited to you?
-- Thomas Adam
Very angrily yours,
Paul
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