[yast-devel] yast ncurses mode survey, my 2 cents
Hi Yast People, Have been reading the wiki pages for the yast ncurses survey I was quite amazed by the answers on the survey (because they clearly didnt include the sysadmin usecase), and started answering them mentally. It went like this: * Who are the users who use text-mode YaST (yast2-ncurses)? sysadmins * Why do people use text-mode YaST? because they didnt install X in their servers * In which ways would they be hit/restricted if text-mode YaST were dropped? They would go to prague and kill you all, because they would miss useful features for administration. And no, command line interface doesnt replace it * What do people mostly miss in text-mode YaST? decent keybinding navigation, non-sluggish navigation with tab/shitft-tab/esc, taht sometimes lags or freezes a second or half second. So this is, I guess, what a suse sysadmin would answer (and my 2 cents). The ncurses is very neat, I can give instructions to newbie sysadmins, its consistent, they feel comfortable, people using other unix flavors that has those types of dialogs feel comfortable. Please, think of the sysadmins! =) Marcio Ferreira --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
Dne Tuesday 23 October 2007 02:55:00 Druid napsal(a):
Hi Yast People,
Have been reading the wiki pages for the yast ncurses survey I was quite amazed by the answers
Oh my ... you have discovered the secret page :) I wanted to write some accompanying e-mail before I make it public and it's not even 100 % ready (I saved it to the wiki anyway because I did not want to loose any changes overnight). So please wait with any further comments. B. -- \\\\\ Katarina Machalkova \\\\\\\__o YaST developer __\\\\\\\'/_ & hedgehog painter
* Druid <marcio.ferreira@gmail.com> [Oct 23. 2007 02:55]:
* In which ways would they be hit/restricted if text-mode YaST were dropped? They would go to prague and kill you all, because they would miss useful features for administration. And no, command line interface doesnt replace it
Now thats something to be discussed. Which features of yast-ncurses do you use which cannot be replaced by a command line interface ?
So this is, I guess, what a suse sysadmin would answer (and my 2 cents). The ncurses is very neat, I can give instructions to newbie sysadmins, its consistent, they feel comfortable, people using other unix flavors that has those types of dialogs feel comfortable.
Ok, I see your point.
Please, think of the sysadmins! =)
We do, believe me. The problem with sysadmins is, there are so many different kinds of them ;-) Going forward, we have to balance between the amount of effort put into ncurses and its limitations compared to work spent on a decent gui and cli interface. Klaus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
Please, think of the sysadmins! =)
We do, believe me. The problem with sysadmins is, there are so many different kinds of them ;-)
Going forward, we have to balance between the amount of effort put into ncurses and its limitations compared to work spent on a decent gui and cli interface.
BTW this effort is not about dropping ncurses, rather we are thinking about how to improve the YaST look&feel overall and here ncurses comes into the game as one of the UIs. And the question about if and how to limit ncurses compared to other UIs or if they should be handled separately is just part of the whole effort. Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On 10/23/07, Michal Svec <msvec@suse.cz> wrote:
Please, think of the sysadmins! =)
We do, believe me. The problem with sysadmins is, there are so many different kinds of them ;-)
Going forward, we have to balance between the amount of effort put into ncurses and its limitations compared to work spent on a decent gui and cli interface.
The majority of powerpc servers don' t have framebuffer, to ppc servers admin , ncurses is the best solution.
BTW this effort is not about dropping ncurses, rather we are thinking about how to improve the YaST look&feel overall and here ncurses comes into the game as one of the UIs.
And the question about if and how to limit ncurses compared to other UIs or if they should be handled separately is just part of the whole effort.
I understand, but the basic configuration and server services must work well in ncurses. :) -- ____________________________ Frederico Recsky Linux User: #253572 http://www.fred.eti.br http://www.perl.org.br -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: yast-devel+help@opensuse.org
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