On 30/07/10 21:01, Rajko M. wrote:

On Friday 30 July 2010 12:50:47 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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And could/should be special features/tools against this be imported to the wiki ?:

1)

One extension that will allow selective deletion of article versions with spam will help in this respect.

Something like that "spam cleanup script"? : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features#Spam_cleanup_script http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SpamBlacklist/cle... http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Spam_cleanup_script: <"The spam cleanup script used to be a maintenance function that ran <across all wikis to remove links that were in the spam blacklist. It <is no longer in operation. <For current anti-spam tools at Wikia, please see Help:Spam."[1] You are referring to automatic detection and manual deleting or full automatic deletion (I would really prefer the first to the second)? 2) Or/and a list page (easy to find) a user can use to put spammed wiki pages on it and some users with privileges that put that page on their watchlists? 3) Or/and an extension with a blacklist for some links before they are made: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist But this may be a very hard act - would you (plural, list) rate this useful and appropriate (more useful than harmful)? And in what way: 3 a) Import just the extension without using the not-openSUSE blacklist and create a blacklist of openSUSE's own (with a page for suggestions for this blacklist)? 3 b) Import the extension and the media-Wiki blacklist and use a witelist of openSUSE's own (with a page for suggestions for this whitelist)? Footnotes: [1] http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Spam ="see Help:Spam" See also: # http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features # http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam # http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_vandalism Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

Hello, on Samstag, 31. Juli 2010, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

On 30/07/10 21:01, Rajko M. wrote:

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One extension that will allow selective deletion of article versions with spam will help in this respect.

There are two options: a) Oversight extensio: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight b) MediaWiki has this feature built-in now (disabled by default) - see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RevisionDelete The difference seems to be that the built-in function has a show/hide link. Deleted revisions are still listed in page history (and can be undeleted), but are not accessable anymore for non-admin users. The Oversight extension does a more permanent cleanup - the revision won't be shown in the page history anymore, and undeleting means to run a SQL command directly on the database. (In practise this will probably mean "undelete impossible" for the openSUSE wikis.)

2) Or/and a list page (easy to find) a user can use to put spammed wiki pages on it and some users with privileges that put that page on their watchlists?

A "ToDo"-list for pages to un-spam is a good idea. Watchlist entries only work if the spammers always spam on the same pages - I doubt this will happen ;-)

3) Or/and an extension with a blacklist for some links before they are made: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist But this may be a very hard act - would you (plural, list) rate this useful and appropriate (more useful than harmful)?

I don't think it would be harmful, but maintaining the blacklist might be more work than deleting the actual spam ;-) (Note: I don't know how many spam entries per day appear. Can someone give some stats?)

3 a) Import just the extension without using the not-openSUSE blacklist and create a blacklist of openSUSE's own (with a page for suggestions for this blacklist)?

Yes, let's have a page where we add links to spam pages ourself!!!11!!! That will save the poor, overworked spammers lots of work. Proposed title: en.opensuse.org/cialis-viagra-poker-texas-holdem *SCNR*

3 b) Import the extension and the media-Wiki blacklist and use a witelist of openSUSE's own (with a page for suggestions for this whitelist)?

Sounds like a better solution. However I wonder if we need a whitellist at all - I hope that pages like *.opensuse.org, *.novell.com, sourceforge, github etc. are not on any blacklist... But the basic question remains: do we have "enough" spam so that it is worth to implement spam protection? Regards, Christian Boltz -- The nice thing about Windows is - It does not just crash, it displays a dialog box and lets you press 'OK' first. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

Hello,

on Samstag, 31. Juli 2010, Rajko M. wrote:
> On Saturday 31 July 2010 06:28:42 Christian Boltz wrote:
> > There are two options:
> > a) Oversight extensio:
> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight 
> > b) MediaWiki has this feature built-in now (disabled by default) - 
> > see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RevisionDelete

> We need only selective delete as it is discussed in:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bitfields_for_rev_deleted

This page basically sounds like it has been the draft for 
RevisionDelete.

> I would like to remove spam versions from page history, not only to
>  revert them.
> 
> I know how to do that, but with Main page that seems not wise. The
>  method is to delete page, mark for restore all and remove check
>  marks from spam versions.

Indeed, that isn't a real option for the main page ;-)

Thomas, can you please enable RevisionDelete? If I get 
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RevisionDelete right, you should add
    $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['deleterevision']  = true;
to LocalSettings.php

(If this doesn't fit the needs, we can still go for the Oversight 
extension.)


Regards,

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On 31/07/10 13:28, Christian Boltz wrote:

Hello,

on Samstag, 31. Juli 2010, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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2) Or/and a list page (easy to find) a user can use to put spammed wiki pages on it and some users with privileges that put that page on their watchlists?

A "ToDo"-list for pages to un-spam is a good idea. Thanks I was thinking of an easy possibility for a normal user or even a not-signed-in watcher to report spammed wiki.opensuse pages/articles on a wiki-page so that an admin can react. Maybe something on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Spammed or http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:Spammed . with the purpose like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam but I thought of just a simple list.

Watchlist entries only work if the spammers always spam on the same pages - I doubt this will happen ;-)

There was some misunderstanding. I meant this one list/page itself ([[Spammed]] / [[Talk:Spammed]] / [[Help:Spammed]] ... ) should be on every admins wiki watchlist so they would see the (new) report. Alternatively a fictive user "Spamwatcher" could have a watchlist with [[Spammed]] on it and an email address form which the mails are forwarded. Have a lot of fun pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net> wrote:

On Sunday 01 August 2010 04:50:39 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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I was thinking of an easy possibility for a normal user or even a not-signed-in watcher to report spammed wiki.opensuse pages/articles on a wiki-page so that an admin can react.

We can do that as with {{speed delete}} tag, one called {{spammed}}.

Hi there, I'm afraid spam bots might be faster than us (see the recent change list - it seems the wiki is under a bot attack right now). Fortunately, it seems to create only new user page / user talk page with spam link. But the "recent change" list is now really difficult to follow and to work with :/ I guess a new anti spam method in a very short time frame would be highly desirable :] Regards, R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org