[opensuse-wiki] Transferring articles
Hi Guys, I encountered ( as noted in the LTSP topic) that transferring can only be done by members of the "administrators" group. I'm more than willing to help with this. To be more specific, I'm kinda stuck here on LTSP and I want to complete it, as now I have the time to do it. I send a list to Rajko what to be transferred and to what name/location. I know he's busy and I don't want to push him, but I also hate to be patient. I do not have the ambition to become an "administrator" , but maybe there's a possibility to create a temporary group eg. "transfer" and add everybody in there that is allowed to import articles. Including me and the current "administrators" Greets, Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Would anyone have a problem with Tim being added to the sysop (administrator) group? IMHO, it makes sense, considering the nature of the work he is doing. The other option is to add him to the editor or reviewer group, and I can make the configuration changes to allow that group to do what Tim needs. I don't really think it makes too much sense to mess around with the existing group rights, but it is a possibility. -Matt
Tim Mohlmann <muhlemmer@gmail.com> 7/9/2010 10:51 AM >>> Hi Guys,
I encountered ( as noted in the LTSP topic) that transferring can only be done by members of the "administrators" group. I'm more than willing to help with this. To be more specific, I'm kinda stuck here on LTSP and I want to complete it, as now I have the time to do it. I send a list to Rajko what to be transferred and to what name/location. I know he's busy and I don't want to push him, but I also hate to be patient. I do not have the ambition to become an "administrator" , but maybe there's a possibility to create a temporary group eg. "transfer" and add everybody in there that is allowed to import articles. Including me and the current "administrators" Greets, Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 09.07.2010 18:51, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
Hi Guys,
I encountered ( as noted in the LTSP topic) that transferring can only be done by members of the "administrators" group. I'm more than willing to help with this. To be more specific, I'm kinda stuck here on LTSP and I want to complete it, as now I have the time to do it. I send a list to Rajko what to be transferred and to what name/location. I know he's busy and I don't want to push him, but I also hate to be patient.
I do not have the ambition to become an "administrator" , but maybe there's a possibility to create a temporary group eg. "transfer" and add everybody in there that is allowed to import articles. Including me and the current "administrators"
You can also transfer articles by copying the wiki source text to the new location. To use the import, i just added you t the admin group in the new wiki. Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) openSUSE Boosters Team "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Thanks! I know I can do it by copy the source text, but that would destroy the history and people's credits Greets, Tim 2010/7/12, Thomas Schmidt <tom@opensuse.org>:
On 09.07.2010 18:51, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
Hi Guys,
I encountered ( as noted in the LTSP topic) that transferring can only be done by members of the "administrators" group. I'm more than willing to help with this. To be more specific, I'm kinda stuck here on LTSP and I want to complete it, as now I have the time to do it. I send a list to Rajko what to be transferred and to what name/location. I know he's busy and I don't want to push him, but I also hate to be patient.
I do not have the ambition to become an "administrator" , but maybe there's a possibility to create a temporary group eg. "transfer" and add everybody in there that is allowed to import articles. Including me and the current "administrators"
You can also transfer articles by copying the wiki source text to the new location. To use the import, i just added you t the admin group in the new wiki.
Greetings
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Hello listlings! You may also take a look ad an older tread at the forums: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/44053... Greetings pistazienfresser On 12/07/10 17:37, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
Thanks!
I know I can do it by copy the source text, but that would destroy the history and people's credits
Greets, Tim
2010/7/12, Thomas Schmidt <tom@opensuse.org>:
On 09.07.2010 18:51, Tim Mohlmann wrote:
Hi Guys,
I encountered ( as noted in the LTSP topic) that transferring can only be done by members of the "administrators" group. I'm more than willing to help with this. To be more specific, I'm kinda stuck here on LTSP and I want to complete it, as now I have the time to do it. I send a list to Rajko what to be transferred and to what name/location. I know he's busy and I don't want to push him, but I also hate to be patient.
I do not have the ambition to become an "administrator" , but maybe there's a possibility to create a temporary group eg. "transfer" and add everybody in there that is allowed to import articles. Including me and the current "administrators"
You can also transfer articles by copying the wiki source text to the new location. To use the import, i just added you t the admin group in the new wiki.
Greetings
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Hello wiki-list, I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data. Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 14/07/10 18:42, pistazienfresser wrote:
Hello wiki-list,
I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data.
Greetings pistazienfresser
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It is also possible that the message itself may be misleading. I'm going to check the error logs and see if that pulls up anything. I just duplicated the issue and it sounds like others have too.
pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de> 7/14/2010 10:51 AM >>> On 14/07/10 18:42, pistazienfresser wrote: Hello wiki-list,
I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data.
Greetings pistazienfresser
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On Wednesday 14 July 2010 12:08:40 Matthew Ehle wrote:
It is also possible that the message itself may be misleading. I'm going to check the error logs and see if that pulls up anything. I just duplicated the issue and it sounds like others have too.
I already filed bug report on that one: http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619735 -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
The hardware failure yesterday really threw iChain for a loop. After getting random reports of slowness, we reconfigured and cleared out the some things in iChain. Since iChain handles session data, it is possible that is what is causing your problem. Can anyone else duplicate this? Pistazienfresser, can you try again after starting a new session, clearing your cookies, etc.? Thanks, Matt
pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de> 7/14/2010 10:42 AM >>> Hello wiki-list,
I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data.
Greetings pistazienfresser
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On Jul 14, 10 10:54:12 -0600, Matthew Ehle wrote:
The hardware failure yesterday really threw iChain for a loop. After getting random reports of slowness, we reconfigured and cleared out the some things in iChain. Since iChain handles session data, it is possible that is what is causing your problem.
Can anyone else duplicate this?
I have had several 'Loss of session data.' errors. This was during normal editing. Most of the time it helped to hit save multiple times. I saw it ca 5 hours ago, when repeated save did not help. The wiki appears to be exceptioanlly slow today. Firebug tells me that the reload from clicking the logout button takes 29.53 seconds 'Waiting for Response' cheers, JW-
Pistazienfresser, can you try again after starting a new session, clearing your cookies, etc.?
Thanks, Matt
pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de> 7/14/2010 10:42 AM >>> Hello wiki-list,
I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data.
Greetings pistazienfresser
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There appears to be some kind of bug in the login script. When I was getting the error, I noticed that the logs kept indicating that I was logged in iChain, but not in the wiki. Normally, it should only give that message once. This means that for whatever reason, I was not being automatically logged into the wiki, hence the error. When I log out and back in, the message appears only appears once, meaning that I managed to get logged into the wiki. Any ideas on what might be going on there?
Juergen Weigert <jw@suse.de> 7/14/2010 11:19 AM >>> On Jul 14, 10 10:54:12 -0600, Matthew Ehle wrote: The hardware failure yesterday really threw iChain for a loop. After getting random reports of slowness, we reconfigured and cleared out the some things in iChain. Since iChain handles session data, it is possible that is what is causing your problem.
Can anyone else duplicate this?
I have had several 'Loss of session data.' errors. This was during normal editing. Most of the time it helped to hit save multiple times. I saw it ca 5 hours ago, when repeated save did not help.
The wiki appears to be exceptioanlly slow today. Firebug tells me that the reload from clicking the logout button takes 29.53 seconds 'Waiting for Response'
cheers, JW- Could you please more specific? Which wiki(s) and page(s)? If it's only the logout that is taking a long time, that would be an iChain issue that I need to pass on. If it's more than that, I will have to try to get as much information as possible.
Pistazienfresser, can you try again after starting a new session, clearing your cookies, etc.?
Thanks, Matt
pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de> 7/14/2010 10:42 AM >>> Hello wiki-list,
I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data.
Greetings pistazienfresser
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Not an expert but... is iChain still trying to log in users on the broken server? Dividing load or something. Login being a secure connection, so a different port then ordinary traffic, so might be in different config? Something like that. 2010/7/14 Matthew Ehle <mehle@novell.com>:
There appears to be some kind of bug in the login script. When I was getting the error, I noticed that the logs kept indicating that I was logged in iChain, but not in the wiki. Normally, it should only give that message once. This means that for whatever reason, I was not being automatically logged into the wiki, hence the error. When I log out and back in, the message appears only appears once, meaning that I managed to get logged into the wiki. Any ideas on what might be going on there?
Juergen Weigert <jw@suse.de> 7/14/2010 11:19 AM >>> On Jul 14, 10 10:54:12 -0600, Matthew Ehle wrote: The hardware failure yesterday really threw iChain for a loop. After getting random reports of slowness, we reconfigured and cleared out the some things in iChain. Since iChain handles session data, it is possible that is what is causing your problem.
Can anyone else duplicate this?
I have had several 'Loss of session data.' errors. This was during normal editing. Most of the time it helped to hit save multiple times. I saw it ca 5 hours ago, when repeated save did not help.
The wiki appears to be exceptioanlly slow today. Firebug tells me that the reload from clicking the logout button takes 29.53 seconds 'Waiting for Response'
cheers, JW- Could you please more specific? Which wiki(s) and page(s)? If it's only the logout that is taking a long time, that would be an iChain issue that I need to pass on. If it's more than that, I will have to try to get as much information as possible.
Pistazienfresser, can you try again after starting a new session, clearing your cookies, etc.?
Thanks, Matt
pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de> 7/14/2010 10:42 AM >>> Hello wiki-list,
I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data.
Greetings pistazienfresser
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Tim, It's a good question, and at least right now, I can say the answer is no. Normally, when iChain sees that one of the backend servers is down, it will not try to use it for anything. However, with all the weird stuff that was going on since yesterday, we started wondering the same thing that you did, so we manually removed the broken server out of the iChain configuration. I see two possibilities here. One is that we installed two new extensions yesterday and one of them is causing problems. The other, and probably most likely, is that this has always happened and it is only noticeable when trying to do an import. Any other ideas, anyone?
Tim Mohlmann <muhlemmer@gmail.com> 7/14/2010 11:37 AM >>> Not an expert but... is iChain still trying to log in users on the broken server? Dividing load or something. Login being a secure connection, so a different port then ordinary traffic, so might be in different config? Something like that.
2010/7/14 Matthew Ehle <mehle@novell.com>: There appears to be some kind of bug in the login script. When I was getting the error, I noticed that the logs kept indicating that I was logged in iChain, but not in the wiki. Normally, it should only give that message once. This means that for whatever reason, I was not being automatically logged into the wiki, hence the error. When I log out and back in, the message appears only appears once, meaning that I managed to get logged into the wiki. Any ideas on what might be going on there?
Juergen Weigert <jw@suse.de> 7/14/2010 11:19 AM >>> On Jul 14, 10 10:54:12 -0600, Matthew Ehle wrote: The hardware failure yesterday really threw iChain for a loop. After getting random reports of slowness, we reconfigured and cleared out the some things in iChain. Since iChain handles session data, it is possible that is what is causing your problem.
Can anyone else duplicate this?
I have had several 'Loss of session data.' errors. This was during normal editing. Most of the time it helped to hit save multiple times. I saw it ca 5 hours ago, when repeated save did not help.
The wiki appears to be exceptioanlly slow today. Firebug tells me that the reload from clicking the logout button takes 29.53 seconds 'Waiting for Response'
cheers, JW- Could you please more specific? Which wiki(s) and page(s)? If it's only the logout that is taking a long time, that would be an iChain issue that I need to pass on. If it's more than that, I will have to try to get as much information as possible.
Pistazienfresser, can you try again after starting a new session, clearing your cookies, etc.?
Thanks, Matt
pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de> 7/14/2010 10:42 AM >>> Hello wiki-list,
I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data.
Greetings pistazienfresser
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On 07/14/2010 07:50 PM, Matthew Ehle wrote:
Tim,
It's a good question, and at least right now, I can say the answer is no. Normally, when iChain sees that one of the backend servers is down, it will not try to use it for anything. However, with all the weird stuff that was going on since yesterday, we started wondering the same thing that you did, so we manually removed the broken server out of the iChain configuration.
I see two possibilities here. One is that we installed two new extensions yesterday and one of them is causing problems. The other, and probably most likely, is that this has always happened and it is only noticeable when trying to do an import. Any other ideas, anyone?
I am quite sure this always happened, I also have reports that saving pages sometimes fails. Which I was able to reproduce even in the old wiki. Our login code seems to have a bug especially when doing the auto-login. I will have to look into that, but unfortunately are busy with the release and release party today. Greetings
Tim Mohlmann <muhlemmer@gmail.com> 7/14/2010 11:37 AM >>> Not an expert but... is iChain still trying to log in users on the broken server? Dividing load or something. Login being a secure connection, so a different port then ordinary traffic, so might be in different config? Something like that.
2010/7/14 Matthew Ehle <mehle@novell.com>: There appears to be some kind of bug in the login script. When I was getting the error, I noticed that the logs kept indicating that I was logged in iChain, but not in the wiki. Normally, it should only give that message once. This means that for whatever reason, I was not being automatically logged into the wiki, hence the error. When I log out and back in, the message appears only appears once, meaning that I managed to get logged into the wiki. Any ideas on what might be going on there?
Juergen Weigert <jw@suse.de> 7/14/2010 11:19 AM >>> On Jul 14, 10 10:54:12 -0600, Matthew Ehle wrote: The hardware failure yesterday really threw iChain for a loop. After getting random reports of slowness, we reconfigured and cleared out the some things in iChain. Since iChain handles session data, it is possible that is what is causing your problem.
Can anyone else duplicate this?
I have had several 'Loss of session data.' errors. This was during normal editing. Most of the time it helped to hit save multiple times. I saw it ca 5 hours ago, when repeated save did not help.
The wiki appears to be exceptioanlly slow today. Firebug tells me that the reload from clicking the logout button takes 29.53 seconds 'Waiting for Response'
cheers, JW- Could you please more specific? Which wiki(s) and page(s)? If it's only the logout that is taking a long time, that would be an iChain issue that I need to pass on. If it's more than that, I will have to try to get as much information as possible.
Pistazienfresser, can you try again after starting a new session, clearing your cookies, etc.?
Thanks, Matt
> pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de> 7/14/2010 10:42 AM >>> Hello wiki-list,
I have tried now several times to import an article with history but every time I get an message about a loss of session data.
Greetings pistazienfresser
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sorry if tghis is not exactly the good thread, But I couldn't think of a better title :-( I Have a lot of links to pages on my old personal wiki page. http://old-en.opensuse.org/User:Jdd of course, when I copied my old page to the new one, all these links become dead. How can I know if these pages are valuable on the new wiki?? I'm linked to them mostly because I worked on them time ago, but I can't afford to keep on with the wiki team. for example http://old-en.opensuse.org/First_time_writer_to_the_the_wiki have not be marked for deletion, of course this one probably don't need to be copied, but what is the current way of life? I think the wiki team forgot a bit about the numerous people that wrote pages in the old wiki but couldn't be full time on it. I can't find any page saying how one can write a page. New navigation box don't have any "participate" link, even the hard to find (http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Portal:How_to_participate/Topics&stable=0&shownotice=1) howto participate portal don't have links to usefull doc. If you want to help, it send you to an other portal (documentation), with nearly nothing if one have to read tons of pages simply to add a wiki page, our community will *decrease* rapidly!! I coudn't find any page similar to the old page quoted on this post beginning (first time writer), may be this page is not so unusefull, after all! thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/3720... http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?v... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
sorry if tghis is not exactly the good thread, But I couldn't think of a better title :-(
I Have a lot of links to pages on my old personal wiki page.
http://old-en.opensuse.org/User:Jdd
of course, when I copied my old page to the new one, all these links become dead.
How can I know if these pages are valuable on the new wiki?? I'm linked to them mostly because I worked on them time ago, but I can't afford to keep on with the wiki team.
for example http://old-en.opensuse.org/First_time_writer_to_the_the_wiki
have not be marked for deletion, of course this one probably don't need to be copied, but what is the current way of life?
I think the wiki team forgot a bit about the numerous people that wrote pages in the old wiki but couldn't be full time on it. I can't find any page saying how one can write a page.
What about http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki, which is accessible from the main landing page? See "Topic" section. R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Well. I was extremely upset by what I've seen. May be too much upset. I keep there in the bottom what I wrote at first, for reference :-). But I don't want to be rude. I want to be effective. Do you think the new wiki, like it is, can make *new* contributors come to openSUSE? can it make *old* contributors keep coming? say, somebody on a mailing list or on the forum give an usefull info. I say "please insert this in the wiki" Is it possible to do in less than 5 clics? I don't think so. I may keep making doc on the forum (http://forums.opensuse.org/other-languages/francais-french/contributions/doc...) sorry jdd Le 15/07/2010 10:51, Rémy Marquis a écrit :
What about http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki, which is accessible from the main landing page? See "Topic" section.
well... the wiki article is in no way appealing. I don't see any "come with us" "join us here" On the old main page the word "participate" was present twice, now only once and with no links ("Come right in and learn how to participate in our efforts"). the http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Transfer page could be more visible, at least for some weeks I must say I really dislike how the wiki is now presented. My feeling is extremely negative. I'm very sorry to say so because I know how uch work was devoted on it :-(. But I feel extremely unwelcome on the new instance. ost words I read mean for me "get out" "With this structure of the content we ensure that this wiki is only used for what it's good for" but where is the old way "everybody can find it's info with google on the wiki", "everybody can write what he find" I have *no* interest on quality insurance. I don't think it's a acheivable goal. I was extremely reluctant on writing to the old SDB namespace, because it's unfriendly, and now all is SDB? I don't care of a nice, smart... and empty wiki. look precisely: "Structure The content in this wiki is separated by topic in a couple of namespaces. Most prominently the main namespace (with no prefix) for the presentation of the latest openSUSE Distribution, think of it as the product brochure, for people who are new to openSUSE and maybe to Linux in general. The support database's SDB: namespace for people who have a problem with the openSUSE distribution and seek written instruction on how to solve it. And the openSUSE community's openSUSE: namespace to collaboratively write on documentation for their projects and teams. With this structure of the content we ensure that this wiki is only used for what it's good for." so main namespace is for a "brochure" that is plain advertisement. openSUSE is for projects and teams only SDB remain. this is not a notepad, a "drop an idea" a "I just found this" wich makes most of what i seek. At least it lacks badly a "wikipage sandbox", where all the informal info could be written I remember, I said very often "go to the wiki, go to your own page, write there the name of the page you want to write and write as you like. We will keep track of the formatting" jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/3720... http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?v... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 15.07.2010 11:28, jdd wrote:
But I don't want to be rude. I want to be effective.
Do you think the new wiki, like it is, can make *new* contributors come to openSUSE? can it make *old* contributors keep coming?
Yes we do. Why do you think we did it this way? :)
I remember, I said very often "go to the wiki, go to your own page, write there the name of the page you want to write and write as you like. We will keep track of the formatting"
And this is EXACTLY what we want to get rid of. We don't want a disorganized and unmaintainable pile of articles anymore. We want something that finds the balance between easy to contribute to and easy to consume. I'm sorry that this puts you off. But hey, you can't make it right for everyone... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Le 15/07/2010 12:18, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
I remember, I said very often "go to the wiki, go to your own page, write there the name of the page you want to write and write as you like. We will keep track of the formatting"
And this is EXACTLY what we want to get rid of. We don't want a disorganized and unmaintainable pile of articles anymore. We want something that finds the balance between easy to contribute to and easy to consume.
I'm sorry that this puts you off. But hey, you can't make it right for everyone...
I didn't understood you want to discourage new contributors and old ones... sorry jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/3720... http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?v... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 15 July 2010 05:49:54 jdd wrote:
I didn't understood you want to discourage new contributors and old ones...
Sincerely, the wiki structure is explained well, and if someone asks about details we can help, but on the other hand if someone has a problem to understand: ------------------------------------------------- Main distro presentation (concepts, software) SDB problems and not standard procedures openSUSE projects and subprojects Help Wiki related stuff HCL Hardware related stuff Archive Old that we want to keep as reference Use categories for automatic article tagging. Use portals to present your topic. Use templates for easy writing and unified look and feel. ------------------------------------------------- then it is questionable how that person can contribute at all. It is new view and I know that old contributors will have problem to forget old stuff first, but in a long run new structure that keeps our activities separated and offer aid to writers that they did not have before, will benefit both, contributors and readers. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Le 16/07/2010 01:40, Rajko M. a écrit :
On Thursday 15 July 2010 05:49:54 jdd wrote:
I didn't understood you want to discourage new contributors and old ones...
Sincerely, the wiki structure is explained well (...)
where? I didn't find what you say next (and I follow the wiki list from the beginning). May be the way to submit pages have to be more simply documented. May be also the lack of efficient search tools is dramatic. For example I have a Blu ray writer and I wrote some ideas to write Blu ray here (in french): http://forums.opensuse.org/other-languages/francais-french/contributions/doc... Search for Blu Ray on the wiki returns nothing (and google site:en.opensuse.org blu ray don't help) The openSUSE home pages gives little if no clue on what one have to do. Project? looks like only self-advertisement Distribution? same things Wiki? most people I know don't even know what is a wiki... they see a "web site") support? I don't need support, I'm here to give some :-). However, I see there a much better search box (I wonder why it's not on the home page?) and a very intimidating list of "portals", that is an other jump level before anything usefull. Then I jump to the "Documentation" Portal.. there I find finally "Review or _Write_ Documentation", but that needs an other jump And there I see absolutely nothing about writing my own small page on the wiki. After half an hour unusefull work, I give up. On the Forum all I had to do is go to "document" and open a new thread... We had a very long thread on an other list (marketting or project, I don't remember) about "how to make users participate". The better way to make users participate is to allow them to do small tasks. Writing on the wiki is the more rewarding task, but also quite intimidating and should be encouraged as much as possible. Why not a "wikisandbox" namespace where one could write a raw document, of course a part that should be specially followed to help classifying and writing (or do you plan to follow mailing lists and forums searching for doc to include in the wiki?) I don't question the need for organized documentation, but to have something organized, you have to have something to organize, and all the present doc is subject to obsolescence! jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/3720... http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?v... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
2010/7/16 jdd <jdd@dodin.org>:
Le 16/07/2010 01:40, Rajko M. a écrit :
On Thursday 15 July 2010 05:49:54 jdd wrote:
I didn't understood you want to discourage new contributors and old ones...
You are right, you didn't understood what he was saying, so just drop it.
Sincerely, the wiki structure is explained well (...)
where? I didn't find what you say next (and I follow the wiki list from the beginning).
You already checked http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki there it's perfectly explained to you, with some nice links to articles where we explain more on a certain item, like namespaces. It may have helped if you had reed the news: http://news.opensuse.org/2010/07/08/the-devil-is-in-the-details/ Following this list from the beginning? Well, then it's clearly not our fault, you don't understand. I started to work on the new wiki 3 weeks ago and it took 1 day to undestand. Maybe sometimes a question about a certain article, but that's it. This also counts for everybody else. Question? Just ask! We are more than heapy to help.
May be the way to submit pages have to be more simply documented. May be also the lack of efficient search tools is dramatic.
For example I have a Blu ray writer and I wrote some ideas to write Blu ray here (in french):
http://forums.opensuse.org/other-languages/francais-french/contributions/doc...
Search for Blu Ray on the wiki returns nothing (and google site:en.opensuse.org blu ray don't help)
Well, then there's nothing wrong with our search engine then he? Welcome to a wiki! If you find a article not there, and you know things about it. Don't start complaining, write it! With all the text writing in complaint e-mails, you already should have already have 3 articles finished!
The openSUSE home pages gives little if no clue on what one have to do. Project? looks like only self-advertisement Distribution? same things Wiki? most people I know don't even know what is a wiki... they see a "web site") support? I don't need support, I'm here to give some :-).
See above
However, I see there a much better search box (I wonder why it's not on the home page?) and a very intimidating list of "portals", that is an other jump level before anything usefull.
Then I jump to the "Documentation" Portal.. there I find finally "Review or _Write_ Documentation", but that needs an other jump
And there I see absolutely nothing about writing my own small page on the wiki. After half an hour unusefull work, I give up. On the Forum all I had to do is go to "document" and open a new thread...
Why? what's so hard about it? Type search, if the article doesn't exist, you click the red link in the search results, done!
We had a very long thread on an other list (marketting or project, I don't remember) about "how to make users participate".
The better way to make users participate is to allow them to do small tasks. Writing on the wiki is the more rewarding task, but also quite intimidating and should be encouraged as much as possible.
Why not a "wikisandbox" namespace where one could write a raw document, of course a part that should be specially followed to help classifying and writing (or do you plan to follow mailing lists and forums searching for doc to include in the wiki?)
We have this system, with the reviewing process, which you complained about in an earlier mail.
I don't question the need for organized documentation, but to have something organized, you have to have something to organize, and all the present doc is subject to obsolescence!
Off course the wiki is still quite empty and a lot of pages are still to be transferred. I would say: help out by finding them on the old-en.o.o read them, review them, fix them, then transfer them. If you find it difficult to transfer, mark it as {{Reviewed}} and we'll do the work for you! People and especially editors (including you) knew about this wiki transition long ago. Long enough to help out in the painful and slow progress of transferring articles. You don't have to help, it's all volunteer based, but reading this mailing list all the time, knowing what is happening (and letting it happen), but not giving any feedback, improvements, help out or what soever and now start complaining like a mad man? This is not the way. Off course you are free to share your feedback with us, we are more than happy to hear. But come with facts we can do something about. eg: please include in search the following. If more people support it, it will be done. Simple.
sorry if tghis is not exactly the good thread, But I couldn't think of a better title :-(
You are right, not the good tread, we are trying to work here with practical things. If you'd wish to continue this discussion open a new thread for this: Complaints Greetings, Tim
jdd
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Le 16/07/2010 10:10, Tim Mohlmann a écrit :
You already checked http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki there it's perfectly explained to you,
are you kidding? "prominently the main namespace (with no prefix) for the _presentation_ of the latest openSUSE Distribution, think of it as the product _brochure_" is that the place "anyone can write here"? as I will probably do if I clic the red link as you say? if so this should be said clearly, I have no problem with it. In my comprehension such sentence mean "don't touch if you are not from the wiki team".
explain more on a certain item, like namespaces. It may have helped if you had reed the news: http://news.opensuse.org/2010/07/08/the-devil-is-in-the-details/
I did. The only namespace that seems to fit my needs is SBD, and if this didn't change it's all but friendly! I already wrote articles for SDB, and I tend to avoid it as much as possible. May be this have changed! it would be good, I started to work on the new wiki 3
weeks ago and it took 1 day to undestand
don't you think "one day to understand" is way more than most people can afford? I know *I* couldmanage it (after all I was one of the first on the initial wiki), but the goal is to attract as much people as possible.
Search for Blu Ray on the wiki returns nothing (and google site:en.opensuse.org blu ray don't help)
Well, then there's nothing wrong with our search engine then he?
not sure. Blu ray is one of the main feature of the new 11.3, I'm sure I read this on a page, but no search engine found it :-(
writing in complaint e-mails, you already should have already have 3 articles finished!
is that enough: http://old-en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Jdd but I don't want to begin with the new wiki making a mess :-(
Why? what's so hard about it? Type search, if the article doesn't exist, you click the red link in the search results, done!
and go to the main namespace? Is that the good way? (I hope so :-)
We have this system, with the reviewing process, which you complained about in an earlier mail.
no. I complain not knowing where to start. I try not to start on the middle of an well organised stuff!
knew about this wiki transition long ago. Long enough to help out in the painful and slow progress of transferring articles.
I want to help transferring the pages linked from my own user page. I work full time for the french forum and wiki (and some other things Linux related also)
sorry if tghis is not exactly the good thread, But I couldn't think of a better title :-(
You are right, not the good tread,
well? it's about transfering pages! we are trying to work here with
practical things. If you'd wish to continue this discussion open a new thread for this: Complaints
better not read that. We have to better know each other I just try to point things that don't work well. How can you make them better if not? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/3720... http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?v... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On 16.07.2010 12:22, jdd wrote:
the goal is to attract as much people as possible.
Again: You are wrong with this assumption. The goal is to have a wiki that is both easy to read and easy to contribute to with the wiki team manpower we have today. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Le 16/07/2010 12:36, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
Hi,
On 16.07.2010 12:22, jdd wrote:
the goal is to attract as much people as possible.
Again: You are wrong with this assumption. The goal is to have a wiki that is both easy to read and easy to contribute to with the wiki team manpower we have today.
Henne
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On Friday 16 July 2010 12:36:23 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
On 16.07.2010 12:22, jdd wrote:
the goal is to attract as much people as possible.
Again: You are wrong with this assumption. The goal is to have a wiki that is both easy to read and easy to contribute to with the wiki team manpower we have today.
Do I understand you correctly that: * you do not want to have more people in the wiki team? * you don't want anymore people to contribute a bit here and there? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hey, On 16.07.2010 13:01, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday 16 July 2010 12:36:23 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 16.07.2010 12:22, jdd wrote:
the goal is to attract as much people as possible.
Again: You are wrong with this assumption. The goal is to have a wiki that is both easy to read and easy to contribute to with the wiki team manpower we have today.
Do I understand you correctly that: * you do not want to have more people in the wiki team? * you don't want anymore people to contribute a bit here and there?
Huh? What? Of course not. How the hell can you read that out of what i wrote above? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 16 July 2010 13:16:48 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 16.07.2010 13:01, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday 16 July 2010 12:36:23 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 16.07.2010 12:22, jdd wrote:
the goal is to attract as much people as possible.
Again: You are wrong with this assumption. The goal is to have a wiki that is both easy to read and easy to contribute to with the wiki team manpower we have today.
Do I understand you correctly that: * you do not want to have more people in the wiki team? * you don't want anymore people to contribute a bit here and there?
Huh? What? Of course not. How the hell can you read that out of what i wrote above?
"With the wiki team manpower we have today" - that gave me the feeling you want to make it easy for the current team. And that together with jdd's quote that you react to. Glad to hear that I misunderstood this, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi, On 16.07.2010 13:26, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday 16 July 2010 13:16:48 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 16.07.2010 13:01, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday 16 July 2010 12:36:23 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 16.07.2010 12:22, jdd wrote:
the goal is to attract as much people as possible.
Again: You are wrong with this assumption. The goal is to have a wiki that is both easy to read and easy to contribute to with the wiki team manpower we have today.
Do I understand you correctly that: * you do not want to have more people in the wiki team? * you don't want anymore people to contribute a bit here and there?
Huh? What? Of course not. How the hell can you read that out of what i wrote above?
"With the wiki team manpower we have today" - that gave me the feeling you want to make it easy for the current team. And that together with jdd's quote that you react to.
What i mean was that it needs to be possible to reach $goal with the manpower we have today. As we have seen we simply can't do that for the old goal, which is what jdd wants. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Le 16/07/2010 13:30, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
What i mean was that it needs to be possible to reach $goal with the manpower we have today. As we have seen we simply can't do that for the old goal, which is what jdd wants.
not really. I simply want better/more help to new community helper.. I don't question the better wiki structure, I simply wonder where a document must be written from scratch. No namespace seems to fit now. Probably simply a lack of explanation. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/3720... http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?v... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 16/07/10 19:02, jdd wrote:
Le 16/07/2010 13:30, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
What i mean was that it needs to be possible to reach $goal with the manpower we have today. As we have seen we simply can't do that for the old goal, which is what jdd wants.
not really. I simply want better/more help to new community helper.. I don't question the better wiki structure, I simply wonder where a document must be written from scratch. No namespace seems to fit now. Probably simply a lack of explanation.
jdd
I did this on a subpage of my user page see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=User:Pistazienfresser/nano&redirect=no like I was told to do so once I started to contribute to de.wikipedia But I have not seen any doc on that in wiki.opensuse . Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Guys, Cleaning up of http://old-en.opensuse.org/Category:Checked_Articles is done. Only KDE/meeting resides there, still, because of the huge amount of subpages. Will be done when the more demanding tasks are completed. Greetings, Tim 2010/7/16 jdd <jdd@dodin.org>:
Le 16/07/2010 13:30, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
What i mean was that it needs to be possible to reach $goal with the manpower we have today. As we have seen we simply can't do that for the old goal, which is what jdd wants.
not really. I simply want better/more help to new community helper.. I don't question the better wiki structure, I simply wonder where a document must be written from scratch. No namespace seems to fit now. Probably simply a lack of explanation.
jdd
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On 16/07/10 01:40, Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 15 July 2010 05:49:54 jdd wrote:
I didn't understood you want to discourage new contributors and old ones...
Sincerely, the wiki structure is explained well, and if someone asks about details we can help, but on the other hand if someone has a problem to understand: ------------------------------------------------- Main distro presentation (concepts, software) SDB problems and not standard procedures openSUSE projects and subprojects Help Wiki related stuff HCL Hardware related stuff Archive Old that we want to keep as reference
Use categories for automatic article tagging. Use portals to present your topic. Use templates for easy writing and unified look and feel. -------------------------------------------------
then it is questionable how that person can contribute at all.
It is new view and I know that old contributors will have problem to forget old stuff first, but in a long run new structure that keeps our activities separated and offer aid to writers that they did not have before, will benefit both, contributors and readers.
Hello List, hello Raiko, Maybe you (plural) could give an example (with article related explanation and discussion) for the use of namespaches, categories and titles/names, see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:How_to_set-up_a_HP_printer#Title.2C_Namespace_... Greetings pistazienfresser P.S.: What about changing the Email-subject of this sub-tread? Maybe someone is really looking a way to transfer articles? -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
2010/7/16 pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de>:
On 16/07/10 01:40, Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 15 July 2010 05:49:54 jdd wrote:
I didn't understood you want to discourage new contributors and old ones...
Sincerely, the wiki structure is explained well, and if someone asks about details we can help, but on the other hand if someone has a problem to understand: ------------------------------------------------- Main distro presentation (concepts, software) SDB problems and not standard procedures openSUSE projects and subprojects Help Wiki related stuff HCL Hardware related stuff Archive Old that we want to keep as reference
Use categories for automatic article tagging. Use portals to present your topic. Use templates for easy writing and unified look and feel. -------------------------------------------------
then it is questionable how that person can contribute at all.
It is new view and I know that old contributors will have problem to forget old stuff first, but in a long run new structure that keeps our activities separated and offer aid to writers that they did not have before, will benefit both, contributors and readers.
Hello List, hello Raiko, Maybe you (plural) could give an example (with article related explanation and discussion) for the use of namespaches, categories and titles/names, see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:How_to_set-up_a_HP_printer#Title.2C_Namespace_...
You already gave the answer yourself in the talk. You can create an article in the main namespace, about HPLIB, if it comes by default with openSUSE. This article can describe what is the function of this program and what are it's possibilities. Actual setting up a printer config with HPLIB should belong in the SDB namespace. Eg SDB:Installing HP printer with HPLIB. Maybe there's something about it in the HCL? And yes, [[Category:Printing]] is nice. There are 4 articles in it, and I just made it a sub-category of Category:Hardware
Greetings pistazienfresser
P.S.: What about changing the Email-subject of this sub-tread? Maybe someone is really looking a way to transfer articles?
This is exactly what I suggested in my last e-mail:
sorry if tghis is not exactly the good thread, But I couldn't think of a better title :-(
You are right, not the good tread, we are trying to work here with practical things. If you'd wish to continue this discussion open a new thread for this: Complaints
Greetings, Tim
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Sorry, forgot to give you this links you asked for: http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Namespace and more to find under http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:wiki 2010/7/16 Tim Mohlmann <muhlemmer@gmail.com>:
2010/7/16 pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser@gmx.de>:
On 16/07/10 01:40, Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 15 July 2010 05:49:54 jdd wrote:
I didn't understood you want to discourage new contributors and old ones...
Sincerely, the wiki structure is explained well, and if someone asks about details we can help, but on the other hand if someone has a problem to understand: ------------------------------------------------- Main distro presentation (concepts, software) SDB problems and not standard procedures openSUSE projects and subprojects Help Wiki related stuff HCL Hardware related stuff Archive Old that we want to keep as reference
Use categories for automatic article tagging. Use portals to present your topic. Use templates for easy writing and unified look and feel. -------------------------------------------------
then it is questionable how that person can contribute at all.
It is new view and I know that old contributors will have problem to forget old stuff first, but in a long run new structure that keeps our activities separated and offer aid to writers that they did not have before, will benefit both, contributors and readers.
Hello List, hello Raiko, Maybe you (plural) could give an example (with article related explanation and discussion) for the use of namespaches, categories and titles/names, see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Talk:How_to_set-up_a_HP_printer#Title.2C_Namespace_...
You already gave the answer yourself in the talk. You can create an article in the main namespace, about HPLIB, if it comes by default with openSUSE. This article can describe what is the function of this program and what are it's possibilities.
Actual setting up a printer config with HPLIB should belong in the SDB namespace. Eg SDB:Installing HP printer with HPLIB. Maybe there's something about it in the HCL? And yes, [[Category:Printing]] is nice. There are 4 articles in it, and I just made it a sub-category of Category:Hardware
Greetings pistazienfresser
P.S.: What about changing the Email-subject of this sub-tread? Maybe someone is really looking a way to transfer articles?
This is exactly what I suggested in my last e-mail:
sorry if tghis is not exactly the good thread, But I couldn't think of a better title :-(
You are right, not the good tread, we are trying to work here with practical things. If you'd wish to continue this discussion open a new thread for this: Complaints
Greetings, Tim
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On 14/07/10 18:54, Matthew Ehle wrote:
The hardware failure yesterday really threw iChain for a loop. After getting random reports of slowness, we reconfigured and cleared out the some things in iChain. Since iChain handles session data, it is possible that is what is causing your problem.
Can anyone else duplicate this? Pistazienfresser, can you try again after starting a new session, clearing your cookies, etc.?
Thanks, Matt Hello list, hello Matt, I tried again to import this article http://old-en.opensuse.org/How_to_set-up_a_HP_printer some minutes ago. (with deleting all my cookies and starting firefox new before the Export/Import-operation). Now I got no message but I am not able to find the imported article. Maybe I try again tomorrow the hole operation again.
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On 14/07/10 19:39, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 14/07/10 18:54, Matthew Ehle wrote:
The hardware failure yesterday really threw iChain for a loop. After getting random reports of slowness, we reconfigured and cleared out the some things in iChain. Since iChain handles session data, it is possible that is what is causing your problem.
Can anyone else duplicate this? Pistazienfresser, can you try again after starting a new session, clearing your cookies, etc.?
Thanks, Matt Hello list, hello Matt, I tried again to import this article http://old-en.opensuse.org/How_to_set-up_a_HP_printer some minutes ago. (with deleting all my cookies and starting firefox new before the Export/Import-operation). Now I got no message but I am not able to find the imported article. Maybe I try again tomorrow the hole operation again.
I have been using the "log in"-button - may be there will be any difference if I use the "sign in"-bottom/link. Hello list, hello Matt, Had worked now with the "sign in" link and the old style page behind it, see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=How_to_set-up_a_HP_printer&action=history
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Hello, OK, so this is not technically a wiki item, but it's close enough : ) I have just finished adding the three openSUSE blogs (lizards, news, and spotlight) into the same repository where the wiki is stored. The only things not in the repository are the special files we keep sensitive data and the upload directories (just like the wiki). This should provide a quick way for those of you involved with the blogs to edit and test themes and add plugins, and a quick way for me to deploy them to test, stage, and production. For those of you who are working on the new bento theme, you will probably want to continue using the git repository for the development work. When you are ready to try it out, you can just take the latest version from git and add it to each of the three blogs in berlios. After you have committed to the Subversion repository, go to http://wwwtest.provo.novell.com/company/blogs/svnup.php to deploy to test. As usual, please contact me with any questions. -Matt
On 15.07.2010 22:13, Matthew Ehle wrote:
Hello,
OK, so this is not technically a wiki item, but it's close enough : )
I have just finished adding the three openSUSE blogs (lizards, news, and spotlight) into the same repository where the wiki is stored. The only things not in the repository are the special files we keep sensitive data and the upload directories (just like the wiki). This should provide a quick way for those of you involved with the blogs to edit and test themes and add plugins, and a quick way for me to deploy them to test, stage, and production.
For those of you who are working on the new bento theme, you will probably want to continue using the git repository for the development work. When you are ready to try it out, you can just take the latest version from git and add it to each of the three blogs in berlios. After you have committed to the Subversion repository, go to http://wwwtest.provo.novell.com/company/blogs/svnup.php to deploy to test.
As usual, please contact me with any questions.
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