[opensuse-wiki] Minutes and AIs - Wiki Team Meeting, December Sunday, 6th
Team, here are the Meeting Minutes and the AI assignments of our Wiki Team Meeting on the 6th of December 2009 at 19:00 UTC. I'd like to encourage everyone interested in contributing to the actual transition to contact the respective assignees for AIs listed below. We need every helping hands to ensure a smooth transition into the new wiki instance and thus your help is certainly much appreciated by the wiki team. That said I encourage everyone to read the transcript at http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Meetings/2009_12_06-transcript - it's not feasible to cover every fine detail of the discussion we had. 1. New instance and extensions - Assignee: Frank, Matt We'll have our new wiki instance with the requested extensions at DNS wiki.o.o (most likely along with an additional playground instance) available soon - approx. ETA is end of this week. Requesting of additional MediaWiki extensions should be done until then (at the latest), please contact Frank. Once the new instance is available we'll start with the actual transition .. our focus is the english wiki at first glance .. de, fr, es should be processed once the english one is done .. we'll reach out to sysadmins of other language-specific wikis to discuss what to do with those (start from scratch or migrate existing content according to the transition plan of the english one). 2. Templates - Assignee: Rajko, Remy, Shayon - The work to re-organize the available wiki-templates is done to 98% - they are now listed in a visually appealing way and explained at http://en.opensuse.org/Daily_templates - Remy got started with the Article template http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Article_Template we'll adopt to existing pages before migrating them into the new instance. The intention is to come up with a consistent design for openSUSE end-user documentation. The reader will appreciate a consistent look&feel while accessing the openSUSE wiki. Furthermore the approach to link related articles and useful background information on top of every page highers the general usablity for the end-user (for more details on this, please read the meeting transcript). Input on the Article template, ideas to improve it and general brainstorming input is appreciated. - Remy also got started with a Portal Template http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Portal_Template 3. QA - FlaggedRevs & Wiki Forum - Assignee: Rajko, Rupert FlaggedRevs MediaWiki extension (details: transcript) will be our QA flagship in combination with the Wiki-Forum as a proofreading/approval platform for new articles as well as new Draft FlaggedRevs revisions of articles. Remaining issue here is how to efficiently link the forums and the FlaggedRevs approach. Rupert and Rajko are responsible to investigate the opportunities we have to "automagically" create vbulletin forums threads for new articles/new draft FlaggedRevs revisions of articles. We'd appreciate to have it working that way - If that turns out to be impossible, we need to investigate sufficient workarounds. Input from vBulletin/MediaWiki/FlaggedRevs professionals is much appreciated here. 4. New wiki structure - Assignee: Henne, Rajko Henne proposed a new structure for the wiki on the list earlier and we'll use it within the new instance (maybe with minor adjustments). Rajko raised some questions at http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m/wip and proposed the creation of additional namespaces (openSUSE wiki use besides distro documentation) .. this is a very valuable idea to diminish the current mess of content in the wiki. Only valuable end-user documentation should be delivered to the reader. 5. Transition Guidelines/plan - Assignee: Rajko, Remy We need a transition plan that documents and clearly sorts the several steps we need to achieve to ensure a smooth transition. We already discussed (more or less) the whole process during the transition meeting but we value to have a master document for the whole team. Assignees come up with this document and everyone is asked to contribute to the initial draft provided by Rajko and Remy. The Transition guide needs to cover the procedure on how to actually do the transition and how to proceed with Checked_Pages (selecting of articles to migrate/articles to throw away, adopt selected articles to our Quality standards from a usability, design, formulation and conception perspective, adopt the new Article template to ensure consistent design of existing documentation and then finally migrate and so on and so forth) - I won't write the actual transition Guidelines now :-) 6. Guidelines for editors - Assignee: Rupert, Rajko, Remy The current situation of available documentation on how to edit the wiki, how to design articles, how to properly use templates and such is both messed up and hardly accessible for new editors. This situation at best discourage people to contribute to the wiki and we urgently need to change this. As discussed and decided earlier in the process we need Guidelines for editors that are easily accessible at the new main Portal and that cover the very basics - the document should be readable in at least 5-10 minutes and the new editor should know how to get started contributing. Shayon took the time to list documantation we have in this regard (Help namespace etc.) and provided an overview at http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock/Worklog#Imp_links_over_the_Wiki The new Guidelines should both give a quick overview and provide an opportunity to dive into more deatiled information Shayon listed. Furthermore we need to scan the available documentation we have and merge, re-work, fine-tune and summarize. The creation of Guidelines is assigned as team work for the whole wiki team (e.g. Rupert provides input on QA - Wiki forum), Rajko and Remy are responsible to come up with an initial draft document everyone else contributes to. Please add things I maybe missed and ask if something isn't clear! Again, please (re-)read the transcript of our meeting at http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Meetings/2009_12_06-transcript - we're currently in a very mission-critical phase of the Usability Concept and it's particularly important that everyone involved is fully aware of the process we implement. We have the opportunity to come up with something really awesome and valuable for the openSUSE community IF we all act upon the decided process. Let's do this and be sure to work hand in hand as much as possible. Thanks, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Team,
6. Guidelines for editors - Assignee: Rupert, Rajko, Remy The current situation of available documentation on how to edit the wiki, how to design articles, how to properly use templates and such is both messed up and hardly accessible for new editors. This situation at best discourage people to contribute to the wiki and we urgently need to change this. As discussed and decided earlier in the process we need Guidelines for editors that are easily accessible at the new main Portal and that cover the very basics - the document should be readable in at least 5-10 minutes and the new editor should know how to get started contributing. Shayon took the time to list documantation we have in this regard (Help namespace etc.) and provided an overview at http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock/Worklog#Imp_links_over_the_Wiki The new Guidelines should both give a quick overview and provide an opportunity to dive into more deatiled information Shayon listed. Furthermore we need to scan the available documentation we have and merge, re-work, fine-tune and summarize. The creation of Guidelines is assigned as team work for the whole wiki team (e.g. Rupert provides input on QA - Wiki forum), Rajko and Remy are responsible to come up with an initial draft document everyone else contributes to.
Hello , Well over here i would like to come up with something which i feel is important in preparation of guidelines process.That is a definite work layout , which will be based on http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Guidelines ( edition can be made to it).It would help to carry out the process in a smooth way and would help everyone know what all is going on and what are to be done.As right now i can see that Remy has started with guidelines thing and doing a great job . But that he is busy with other tasks too , so he'll be contributing to the Article guidelines for the time being.Others contribute too. And rest other things like openSUSE Weekly news guidelines , Yast guidelines , Artwork guidelines , etc has to be taken care of and to be assigned at the same time. Thus the work layout which i would be preparing will not be totally up to the mark or in the position to be followed . So here i would ask the concerned assignees and other wiki team senior members to proof-read and make further changes to it.And then we can see whether to follow it or choose any other way for it .
Thanks, R
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On Tuesday 08 December 2009 13:30:49 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
[...] 4. New wiki structure - Assignee: Henne, Rajko Henne proposed a new structure for the wiki on the list earlier and we'll use it within the new instance (maybe with minor adjustments). Rajko raised some questions at http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m/wip and proposed the creation of additional namespaces (openSUSE wiki use besides distro documentation) .. this is a very valuable idea to diminish the current mess of content in the wiki. Only valuable end-user documentation should be delivered to the reader.
We currently have a list of teams that is outdated and does not reflect teams in the project. I like an approach as it's done by Fedora, a page with lists teams and a description on what kind of help is needed ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join ) together with a team page for each team that consists of some kind of mission statement, communication methods etc. I propose that the new wiki structure contains also a reworked team structure so that it's easy for new openSUSE contributors to get engaged with teams. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
AJ, 2009/12/15 Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com>:
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 13:30:49 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
[...] 4. New wiki structure - Assignee: Henne, Rajko Henne proposed a new structure for the wiki on the list earlier and we'll use it within the new instance (maybe with minor adjustments). Rajko raised some questions at http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m/wip and proposed the creation of additional namespaces (openSUSE wiki use besides distro documentation) .. this is a very valuable idea to diminish the current mess of content in the wiki. Only valuable end-user documentation should be delivered to the reader.
We currently have a list of teams that is outdated and does not reflect teams in the project. I like an approach as it's done by Fedora, a page with lists teams and a description on what kind of help is needed ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join ) together with a team page for each team that consists of some kind of mission statement, communication methods etc.
I propose that the new wiki structure contains also a reworked team structure so that it's easy for new openSUSE contributors to get engaged with teams.
This makes sense, I like it! Thanks for the suggestion. Best, R
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 13:30:49 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
We currently have a list of teams that is outdated and does not reflect teams in the project. I like an approach as it's done by Fedora, a page with lists teams and a description on what kind of help is needed ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join ) together with a team page for each team that consists of some kind of mission statement, communication methods etc.
I propose that the new wiki structure contains also a reworked team structure so that it's easy for new openSUSE contributors to get engaged with teams.
Hello , Well yes ! , that sounds perfectly great ! . And concerned to that , i started to work on it ( just a start) and had a small discussion with Rupert & Remy for the same.I have tried to reach the Team through its Discussion page asking for the necessary details which needs to be put in to the respective Team page ( so far no response).Also we can have the concept from the Fedora's approach and rest should be performed in our own way , like currently i am summarizing the things in [1] . So now i would like to tell and ask few things regarding the same and would like to have an effort ( if possible) from every possible person - Q 1) Is the way of reaching the Team through its Discussion page fine ? , Or is it better to ask the Team itself to contact the Wiki Team for the same ? Q2 ) What if the Team / Team member doesn't respond ? Any other alternative way to contact them ? A 2) I guess , another option would be the ML ? Q 3)On what basis the Team should be declared outdated ? 4) IMO , its better to have the Mission statement , Contact details , etc in the Teams own page . And to just have a re-work on the teams page [2].What do you feel ? Thats just the initial part and i guess there may be certain other things uncleared ( i haven't come across) .So looking forward for the answers and views :-) [1] - http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock/Test_Page2 [2] - http://en.opensuse.org/Teams
Andreas
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participants (3)
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Andreas Jaeger
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Rupert Horstkötter
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Shayon Mukherjee