[opensuse-wiki] Special pages as "navigation help" to wiki visitors
I used them, we used them, and for wiki editors is OK to use them, but if we point regular visitors to them then we failed. Here is recent example that triggered this comment: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:PrefixIndex/marketing Special pages are tools for wiki editors, not casual visitor. First what is wrong is general concept that wiki visitors should use Special pages to find something. If we did not provide navigation the way we want, or if we are too lazy to create one, or we have no time to do that, we are in a trouble. For the last case (no time) we have to spend more time marketing wiki collaboration. :) (don't look at me, I do what I can in that respect, but I can't be in all places at once) Second is that it will list only pages in Main namespace, where very few of articles with title "Marketing <some topic>" belong. The 3 files that I found there are moved to openSUSE namespace, as they are all work files and belong there, not in the Main. Links are not updated (mea culpa), but they can be retrieved from list of missing pages. -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 05/30/2010 03:20 AM, Rajko M. wrote:
I used them, we used them, and for wiki editors is OK to use them, but if we point regular visitors to them then we failed. Here is recent example that triggered this comment: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:PrefixIndex/marketing
Special pages are tools for wiki editors, not casual visitor.
First what is wrong is general concept that wiki visitors should use Special pages to find something. If we did not provide navigation the way we want, or if we are too lazy to create one, or we have no time to do that, we are in a trouble. For the last case (no time) we have to spend more time marketing wiki collaboration. :) (don't look at me, I do what I can in that respect, but I can't be in all places at once)
1st June is good date and also an ongoing process is required (let me see/work on it) :-) .
Second is that it will list only pages in Main namespace, where very few of articles with title "Marketing <some topic>" belong. The 3 files that I found there are moved to openSUSE namespace, as they are all work files and belong there, not in the Main. Links are not updated (mea culpa), but they can be retrieved from list of missing pages.
So do you mean , from now on all/maximum Marketing pages be under openSUSE namespace ? As maximum are work files :-) . But somewhere I read that main name space is not encouraged every time Thanks -- Regards SJ (Shayon) openSUSE Member http://en.opensuse.org/User:wwarlock http://shayonj.wordpress.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 29 May 2010 22:32:40 Shayon Mukherjee wrote:
On 05/30/2010 03:20 AM, Rajko M. wrote:
I used them, we used them, and for wiki editors is OK to use them, but if we point regular visitors to them then we failed. Here is recent example that triggered this comment: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:PrefixIndex/marketing
Special pages are tools for wiki editors, not casual visitor.
First what is wrong is general concept that wiki visitors should use Special pages to find something. ...
1st June is good date and also an ongoing process is required (let me see/work on it) :-) .
Everything is ongoing in the web. It is not a book that must be "finished" before you print it. Specially wiki type of sites are chronically never finished, it is how wiki works. We make some infrastructure and people have to pick up from what is published, or, if they don't, then they get what they made for themselves. We are not pro writers and the rest of openSUSE users are not customers. They have to participate as much as they can, or whole FOSS construction fails.
Second is that it will list only pages in Main namespace, where very few of articles with title "Marketing <some topic>" belong. The 3 files that I found there are moved to openSUSE namespace, as they are all work files and belong there, not in the Main. Links are not updated (mea culpa), but they can be retrieved from list of missing pages.
So do you mean , from now on all/maximum Marketing pages be under openSUSE namespace ? As maximum are work files :-) . But somewhere I read that main name space is not encouraged every time
Main namespace is for files (articles) that are used to present openSUSE to users. Using this definition, almost all of the Main namespace will be marketing, but Marketing team work files don't go to namespace.
Thanks
-- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 05/30/2010 11:43 AM, Rajko M. wrote:
1st June is good date and also an ongoing process is required (let me see/work on it) :-) .
Everything is ongoing in the web. It is not a book that must be "finished" before you print it. Specially wiki type of sites are chronically never finished, it is how wiki works.
We make some infrastructure and people have to pick up from what is published, or, if they don't, then they get what they made for themselves. We are not pro writers and the rest of openSUSE users are not customers. They have to participate as much as they can, or whole FOSS construction fails.
I referred to editorial calendar here, that is there should be some kind of text/data posted on news.o.o,lizards,socnet and so on. :-)
Second is that it will list only pages in Main namespace, where very few of articles with title "Marketing <some topic>" belong. The 3 files that I found there are moved to openSUSE namespace, as they are all work files and belong there, not in the Main. Links are not updated (mea culpa), but they can be retrieved from list of missing pages.
So do you mean , from now on all/maximum Marketing pages be under openSUSE namespace ? As maximum are work files :-) . But somewhere I read that main name space is not encouraged every time
Main namespace is for files (articles) that are used to present openSUSE to users. Using this definition, almost all of the Main namespace will be marketing, but Marketing team work files don't go to namespace.
Okay !
Thanks
-- Regards SJ (Shayon) openSUSE Member http://en.opensuse.org/User:wwarlock http://shayonj.wordpress.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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