[opensuse-wiki] Landing page for 11.3
Hi! There is no landing page for 11.3, there is only Portal:11.3. Is this intended, or is it okay to create a page for 11.3 at http://en.opensuse.org/11.3 similar to what we have for GNOME and KDE [1]? [1] http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME http://en.opensuse.org/KDE Bye -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On 14.07.2010 11:50, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
There is no landing page for 11.3, there is only Portal:11.3. Is this intended, or is it okay to create a page for 11.3 at http://en.opensuse.org/11.3
The "landing page" for 11.3 is Portal:11.3 as navigation happens with Portals :) All of the main namspace is for the distribution what [[KDE]] is for KDE IN the distribution or [[GNOME]] for GNOME IN the distribution - A nice product brochure. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 12:09 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
On 14.07.2010 11:50, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
There is no landing page for 11.3, there is only Portal:11.3. Is this intended, or is it okay to create a page for 11.3 at http://en.opensuse.org/11.3
The "landing page" for 11.3 is Portal:11.3 as navigation happens with Portals :)
All of the main namspace is for the distribution what [[KDE]] is for KDE IN the distribution or [[GNOME]] for GNOME IN the distribution - A nice product brochure.
OK, then there should be a redirect page for 11.3 to Portal:11.3. I am only worried that searching for 11.3 return Portal:11.3 as the first result, which is not something that will be clear to a person who does not know the classification of the wiki into namespaces. On the other hand searching for GNOME and KDE takes the user to the GNOME and KDE landing pages. Searching for yast, redirects to Portal:YaST. Something like redirecting to Portal:11.3 would be useful for 11.3 too, wouldn't it? Bye -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 14/07/10 12:19, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: [...]
OK, then there should be a redirect page for 11.3 to Portal:11.3. I am only worried that searching for 11.3 return Portal:11.3 as the first result, which is not something that will be clear to a person who does not know the classification of the wiki into namespaces. On the other hand searching for GNOME and KDE takes the user to the GNOME and KDE landing pages. Searching for yast, redirects to Portal:YaST. Something like redirecting to Portal:11.3 would be useful for 11.3 too, wouldn't it?
Bye
+1 I think more redirects could be useful for other titles/names for which exits no article in the main namespace. see: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/44150... I do not think redirects to portals could do any trouble. But when I did a redirect to an article in the SDB namespace I also made clear in the introduction of this article about the cause of this article being not in the main namespace, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Sax2 Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 14.07.2010 13:06, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 14/07/10 12:19, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: [...]
OK, then there should be a redirect page for 11.3 to Portal:11.3. I am only worried that searching for 11.3 return Portal:11.3 as the first result
Done.
I think more redirects could be useful for other titles/names for which exits no article in the main namespace. see: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/44150...
The fact that Denver does not (want to?) understand namespaces is not a good reason for getting rid of them I'm afraid. We are using namespaces for exactly the opposite of your proposal. To seperate content, especially in the search. We want to do that to provide the majority of the wiki users (not everybody!) with the content they are looking for. Which is information about the current openSUSE distribution. Not problem solutions, not meeting logs or team pages or whatnot.
I do not think redirects to portals could do any trouble. But when I did a redirect to an article in the SDB namespace I also made clear in the introduction of this article about the cause of this article being not in the main namespace, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Sax2
Which is not very clever. Why would a reader, for which you create the page, care about namespaces? namespaces are only an important concept for contributors. That page is anyway very broken. Most of the content on the page is not even interesting for consumers, its a wild mix of our templates and half of the stuff on it is not really true. It took me 5 minutes to make an application page out of it. And that is what we need. That is what you and everybody else should do with your time. If you find a page that does not fit with the rules we laid out Portal:Wiki then fix it. If you find a page missing then create it. This is how we get a better wiki! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 14/07/10 15:05, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 14.07.2010 13:06, pistazienfresser wrote:
On 14/07/10 12:19, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: [...]
OK, then there should be a redirect page for 11.3 to Portal:11.3. I am only worried that searching for 11.3 return Portal:11.3 as the first result
Done.
I think more redirects could be useful for other titles/names for which exits no article in the main namespace. see: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/44150...
The fact that Denver does not (want to?) understand namespaces is not a good reason for getting rid of them I'm afraid. We are using namespaces for exactly the opposite of your proposal. To seperate content, especially in the search. We want to do that to provide the majority of the wiki users (not everybody!) with the content they are looking for. Which is information about the current openSUSE distribution. Not problem solutions, not meeting logs or team pages or whatnot.
I do not think redirects to portals could do any trouble. But when I did a redirect to an article in the SDB namespace I also made clear in the introduction of this article about the cause of this article being not in the main namespace, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Sax2
Which is not very clever. Why would a reader, for which you create the page, care about namespaces? namespaces are only an important concept for contributors.
That page is anyway very broken. Most of the content on the page is not even interesting for consumers, its a wild mix of our templates and half of the stuff on it is not really true. It took me 5 minutes to make an application page out of it.
And that is what we need. That is what you and everybody else should do with your time. If you find a page that does not fit with the rules we laid out Portal:Wiki then fix it. If you find a page missing then create it. This is how we get a better wiki!
Henne
Dear Henne, You did - take care of an article for a package Novell has decided to give maintenance to no longer see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=SaX2&oldid=14388 - move the article back to the main namespace - delete every information about the status of maintenance Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 14.07.2010 15:41, pistazienfresser wrote:
You did - take care of an article for a package Novell has decided to give maintenance to no longer see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=SaX2&oldid=14388 - move the article back to the main namespace - delete every information about the status of maintenance
Because they are simply not relevant. The mail from Egbert is about further development of SaX2 and the usage of it as default Xorg configuration tool of openSUSE. They are not about the maintenance of the package sax2 in the openSUSE distribution. The announcement even says: "...It is still shipped and installed by default...". There is no need to install a package from Saschas home directory or of his "fork" on github. SaX2 has a package and a development project on berlios and everything. So the SaX2 page is in the right namespace, in the right format, users will find it and everything is fine right? :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 14 July 2010 16:32:02 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 14.07.2010 15:41, pistazienfresser wrote:
You did - take care of an article for a package Novell has decided to give maintenance to no longer see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=SaX2&oldid=14388 - move the article back to the main namespace - delete every information about the status of maintenance
Because they are simply not relevant. The mail from Egbert is about further development of SaX2 and the usage of it as default Xorg configuration tool of openSUSE. They are not about the maintenance of the package sax2 in the openSUSE distribution. The announcement even says: "...It is still shipped and installed by default...". There is no need to install a package from Saschas home directory or of his "fork" on github. SaX2 has a package and a development project on berlios and everything.
Henne, sax2 is not anymore part of openSUSE 11.3, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hey, On 14.07.2010 16:46, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 14 July 2010 16:32:02 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 14.07.2010 15:41, pistazienfresser wrote:
You did - take care of an article for a package Novell has decided to give maintenance to no longer see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=SaX2&oldid=14388 - move the article back to the main namespace - delete every information about the status of maintenance
Because they are simply not relevant. The mail from Egbert is about further development of SaX2 and the usage of it as default Xorg configuration tool of openSUSE. They are not about the maintenance of the package sax2 in the openSUSE distribution. The announcement even says: "...It is still shipped and installed by default...". There is no need to install a package from Saschas home directory or of his "fork" on github. SaX2 has a package and a development project on berlios and everything.
Henne, sax2 is not anymore part of openSUSE 11.3,
It's still in openSUSE:11.3 says osc. Ah it just builds sax2-tools. It fooled me! 8) Okay this changes everything. I moved the SaX2 article into the Archive namespace now where it belongs and re-added the warning. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 14/07/10 17:07, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 14.07.2010 16:46, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 14 July 2010 16:32:02 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 14.07.2010 15:41, pistazienfresser wrote:
You did - take care of an article for a package Novell has decided to give maintenance to no longer see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=SaX2&oldid=14388 - move the article back to the main namespace - delete every information about the status of maintenance
Because they are simply not relevant. The mail from Egbert is about further development of SaX2 and the usage of it as default Xorg configuration tool of openSUSE. They are not about the maintenance of the package sax2 in the openSUSE distribution. The announcement even says: "...It is still shipped and installed by default...". There is no need to install a package from Saschas home directory or of his "fork" on github. SaX2 has a package and a development project on berlios and everything.
Henne, sax2 is not anymore part of openSUSE 11.3,
It's still in openSUSE:11.3 says osc. Ah it just builds sax2-tools. It fooled me! 8)
Okay this changes everything. I moved the SaX2 article into the Archive namespace now where it belongs and re-added the warning.
Henne
For now I think you can use your time (especially Henne's for the sake of the community) better than discussing over how many, when and why redirects - may we (=members of this list) discuss this issue when time is not so pressing? And I think there should be at least an link to this discussion on the according discussion page in the wiki. I had already ask about the 'right' namespace for this article in the 'big' mailinglist: - # Re: [opensuse] Where has the graphics card and monitor adjustmenticon in YaSTgone?, pistazienfresser (Sat Jul 10 12:19:33 GMT 2010) http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2010-07/msg00267.html and futher on. Maybe we all could have saved some time if I would have add an link a few days earlier - I thought the introduction and the links in the article to openFATE etc. were clear enough, sorry. Best Greetings to Henne and the hole list pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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