On Thursday 28 January 2010 06:42:35 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Rajko,
2010/1/28 Rajko M.
: ... Actually I haven't heard a single word about the Transition_table until it was brought to my attention that way.
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2010-01/msg00018.html call it list or table, that is mentioned, and here is your answer: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2010-01/msg00021.html
Again, there's no question that sending my complaints to the public list was a mistake, not intended at all and I'm really sorry for that. But still, I'm not aligned with the way the Transition_table has been established. Neither from the perspective of informing me as the coordinator of the big picture here nor from the perspective of communicating this to involved parties (existing and potential contributors).
"Transition guidelines" were updated to reflect "Transition table list" usage to new contributors. Old were notified and tested it as it was created on IRC channel. Taking "Working DRAFT" notice in "Transition guidelines" every interested party should watch page for changes. All that is necessary is to click on link "Watch" above the page title and it will be added to personal watch list that can be accessed using link "My watchlist" at the top of each page, in line with "My talk | My preferences | My watchlist | My contributions | Log out". As the project coordinator you should use that, to prevent future surprises. There will be more changes as what Remy wrote was known at the time of writing, so there is few more things that will change when we agree on them. ...
What I complaining about, and I still stand there, is the following: 1. I had no knowledge at all about the changes prior to this conversation
See above, plus we can ask Frank to enable email notification, but you want to see only your watch list, not all recent changes. This can be set up in "My preferences".
2. The community/volunteers is/are dependent on tools we provide and may them be better (something I don't doubt here), we need to communicate this loudly especially if we previously were loud about the Wiki review at forums.o.o, lizards.o.o, news.o.o, the list and follows. Furthermore people get used to processes and we tried hard to explain these to various parties .. this assumed, it's at best semi-optimal to establish something new, especially in the way it has been done.
Agree, I'll see how to explain that
3. To sum this up: It's hard to do my work if such structural changes (valuable or not) are done without any notification. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen one, neither in my inbox, at news, lizards, forums or elsewhere.
Communicating changes to the rest of the openSUSE infrastructure will eat up a little of my free time that I can give to the project (just as this email does), so I have to ask that someone to help with this.
That all said, I'd appreciate a BIG notice on the very top of http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_Guidelines#Step_1_:_Articles_review in order to make them aware of the changes not only by reading and noticing "Hey, that has changed since I read this last time" but as a top notice before previously involved people jump in and get confused in trying to help us.
See http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_guidelines#Purpose and tell me is that kind of notice OK. We can consider also posts to ML and Forums, with explanation. IMHO, the only change that I can see right now that is influencing reviewers work will be "Transition List2" that will be converted to the table, and possible addition of tags for status column if someone comes on idea how it can make our life easier. It is important to say that no change will be retroactive. What is done by old procedure it is done. People that will do physical transfer of files know both of them and know where to find articles. ...
Last but not least, I'd herewith like to request that further changes of that sort are communicated better (at least I should know in order to be able to communicate it and to throw in my 0.02$ before they are published)
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