On Thursday 25 February 2010 07:48:38 Petr Uzel wrote:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 07:16:32PM -0600, Rajko M. wrote: ... But I don't get the point with NavBar - this was already renamed to 'Nav bar' a week ago. But there was TemplateNav, which I've just renamed to 'Template nav'.
My bad, somehow fact that is was renamed and I have seen that, was lost for a moment I was writing above. ...
Template:Infobox software, Template:Information: these two templates look very similar, I don't get the difference. Are both really needed? ... Without knowing some context or looking into the template, I would have no clue what such template might be used for.
Giving digest of the most important information about software/package. Used in software review pages, could be used when listing software that is used to perform certain task, but as a lot has changed since template was created, for instance we have 1 click install and software search, it is good candidate for update/rewrite. Basically we can use only ideas in both templates to write new one named "Template:Infobox software". ...
IMO, merge both to "Infobox software", and remove category Education form the template.
But this will break pages that use these templates after they are moved from en.o.o, right? Is fixing 'incompatibilities with changed templates' part of the transition plan?
Yes, but we don't want to loose connection, so after merge, "Information" should be redirect to "Infobox software", so that we have reference what to fix; Education articles that used "Information". Now digression: There is 2 ways to fix links that are changed. 1) Look in http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:WantedPages (that already has 265 wanted pages :) and create, move, or copy, pages from en.o.o. 2) When we rename article, leave old title that is now redirect, and look in http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:ListRedirects and fix pages to use new name instead of redirect. Note: We should not simply remove all redirects, as they can be included in third party web pages and removing them will create dead links, which is not very popular on the web. We can do that only for pages that are not visited very often which is visible in the http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:PopularPages , or have title that has to be changed anyway, so chance that something will be broken is not very high, or if it is, no one will cry.
4. TOCRight template: do we really need this? In en.o.o, only a few pages use this template and IMHO it doesn't look very nice.
It also doesn't play nice with the rest of the page. We usually use tables to limit size of the Table of content (TOC).
So drop it?
Yes and done :) If in any future we need it again, it is not really deleted, it can be restored by any admin, and so far I know any user that creates page with the same name and then play with a history a bit. ...
6. There are several navigation bar templates in the wiki. I think these templates might be placed into something like [[Category:NavBars]], so it would be easier to find proper Navbar when creating new article. Wikipedia uses something similar. What do you think?
+1 Besides we can use full name for category so that reader can see what it is about without reading description, like you already used for: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Category:Template_documentation sub Category:Navigational templates sub Category:Navigational bars
Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean here. Could you please elaborate on this a bit?
Instead of "Category:Nav bars" we can use "Category:Navigational bars". It has title that will not confuse users, like "Nav bar" can do. The sub prefix is just to tell that it is subcategory of "Category:Navigational templates", which is subcategory of "Category:Templates". You used "Category:Template_documentation" instead of "Category:Template_doc" , which is good example how to make title that explains all that one want to know when browsing categories. The abbreviation doc is still well known, but nav is not, and there are many similar well known abbreviations in Linux, but not elsewhere that can confuse wiki visitors ...
Petr
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