On Tuesday 22 April 2008 02:07:42 pm Josh wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
Sure. The names and duties on every project are IMHO very important. Many of us would like to help, but don't want to jump in the middle of someone's work and mess with it, so people would like to know whom to ask what has to be done. OpenOffice has in similar way as Mozilla, list contacts and open tasks in every project.
Getting content that will guide new editors to what needs work and what categories to use is good, but what will we be doing about our existing mess? We will slowly be prevented new problems but we still have yet to solve problems with how the categories will be used, getting editors, etc.
That is a very good question and remark. I have the same feeling that without more people editing wiki in some systematic way, we are going nowhere, slowly sinking. Number of contributions is growing which is the goal, but missing meta information about wiki, about creating and editing articles, help files that explain how to do something in consonant way with others, ways to split big tasks in smaller, track execution, and many more things that I, even, can't name will prevent us to recruit editors that not so much time on their hands.
Are we going to just at least get the articles in the openSUSE:Popular_Topics categorized under the official categories? This would probably be a good idea and it wouldn't take all that long. Then the pages that are most wanted will be easy to find because they will be properly categorized. Then with these new pages to guide new editors, hopefully all new pages will be properly categorized.
That is idea too. Create something and than ask others what can be done better, and improve interactively.
Looking on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Popular_Topics: * 1 About openSUSE This seems to be a good name for meta information on anything openSUSE (project, distribution, wiki, community, <what else?>) * 2 Application Descriptions Maybe to name it 'Software Reviews' ? That is what we actually need, as description can be picked up from application development web page. Our original contribution would be some review. I tried to write some directions in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Writing_Software_Overview but it has to be checked by someone that really wrote reviews. Hmm, Zonker?
* 3 CommunityPart of this should go in Community subcategory of About openSUSE. I marked what looks like meta information and should go in About openSUSE. Maybe some articles would need also Participate subcategory.
o 3.1 Communicate o 3.2 Meetings o 3.3 News o 3.4 Participate o 3.5 Policies and Guidelines -> About openSUSE o 3.6 Projects -> About openSUSE o 3.7 Teams -> About openSUSE o 3.8 Wishlists * 4 DevelopmentI have to check some wiki pages for subcategories here, but in general project leads should comment on this. One more reason to have them listed in the way Mozilla or OpenOffice do that. Actually some information exists, but it should be checked how complete and accurate it is. _____________________________________________________
This few are probably most wanted.
* 5 Downloading o 5.1 Factory o 5.2 Release * 6 Hardware o 6.1 HCL * 7 Help o 7.1 FAQs o 7.2 HOWTOs * 8 Install openSuSE * 9 Multimedia and Graphics o 9.1 Branding o 9.2 Eyecandy and Graphics * 10 Software Management o 10.1 Repositories o 10.2 YaST o 10.3 Zypper o 10.4 Other * 11 YaST or AdministrationI have to continue this tomorrow. Please review this and give your opinion.
Once all of this gets rolling I think it would be a good idea to come back to the portal.
Agree.
-- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands.
It does seem very important that we try to get the project management pages in place so that new editors know who to contact and what to work on. This means that we need to get those willing to lead these project sections.
Yes. We can start with our project.
I guess adding the public recognition, something like article of the month (week, new, best edit, best layout) can attract some attention. Though, this should be posted on/linked from Welcome page, something like the best of the openSUSE wiki. Martin? Frank? Your opinion?
On the topic of the "Software Reviews" category: Within the wiki, there are many pages that are just application descriptions, this is probably due to them being linked to all from all over. These pages are sometimes too short and just duplicates what the application development pages ays, while others have decent content that links to howtos and such. If we can get these pages cleaned up and also get some decent reviews so that we may have original content, I think we can just rename the Category to Applications.
I agree. Though cleanup is too much for 1 (you) and 1/2 typist (me). Let's see how that can work on few applications.
This way, each page for an application will have an overview of a project, links to howtos, SDB entries as well as reviews for the application. This would be somewhat like a mini portal page for each application.
Good idea. YaST portal would be good example, the only thing I don't like is excessive use of subpages. It gives ugly titles that look like path to file not a title.
Perhaps we can try to combine the Category Hierarchy and Popular Topics ideas into a unified structure. They aren't that different though. What I will do (maybe this weekend), is try to take the categories in the popular topics and make sure they are visible on openSUSE:Browse as well as make sure they have the right hierarchy as show in the hierarchy page. In doing so, we will at least have the popular topics categorized correctly, and have those categories in the proper layout.
OK. I'm not sure how much time I will have this weekend, and the week is sold out.