Hello, On Apr 27 10:20 Alexey Eremenko wrote (shortened):

On 4/27/07, Michal Zugec wrote:

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Hi all, I'd like to announce that we start to work on improve usability in YaST2 Printer module. Some screenshots are here: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Printer http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Printer_add

We already have some new ideas (thanks Johannes) so I will update screenshots ASAP. Any comments and ideas are invited.

Few fixes suggestion: Directly Connected Printer->WiFi (this may happen in future)

Isn't WiFi just one kind of physical ethernet data transmission? If yes, there is no directly connected printer via WiFi instead it is just a network printer.

Network Printer->directly (is very confusing idea. Maybe TCP/IP ?)

Yes, it is unclear. I think "plain TCP socket" is meant. And "Network Printer->CUPS" should be "Network Printer->IPP" because as far as I know there exists no network printer where a built-in CUPS is running. Actually even the built-in IPP support in many network printers is only very basic - down to just broken, see http://www.cups.org/str.php?L2185 I miss options to print to a remote queue (not a remote printer) e.g.: Print to a queue on a remote CUPS server Print to a queue on a remote iPrint server Print to a queue on a remote LPD server Print to a queue on a remote SMB server Print to a queue on a remote IPX server Perhaps this is actually meant with the entries under "Network Printer" but it leads to confusion because a "Network Printer" is the printer itself but a queue on a CUPS/iPrint/LPD/SMB/IPX server is not the printer itself. Again and again we run into the same old problem that it is not made obvious if the plain hardware (i.e. printer) is meant or its software representation (i.e. queue). Perhaps it is meant: "Use a network printer via a CUPS/iPrint/LPD/SMB/IPX server"? But even this is misleading because what should the user select if he wants to use a printer which is connected dirctly to a CUPS/iPrint/LPD/SMB/IPX server? E.g. use the USB printer which is connected to the workstation of a colleague. Is such a printer a "Network Printer"? No. A "Network Printer" is a printer which is directy accessible in the network (i.e. when you can "ping" it). In contrast a "Remote Printer" is any not-locally connected printer. Perhaps instead of "Network Printer" we sould use "Remote Printer" and then ask the user more questions first about which kind of "Remote Printer" he likes to use and second how he likes to use it (set up a local queue or use it via a remote queue). It seems again and again we think we can make it easy for the user by using some short and vague words which an unexperienced user may have in mind when he starts to do something ( "I want to set up this thingy there" ;-) insetad of asking him clear questions so that we can find out what he actually wants to do so that we can guide him to do exactly what he actually wants to do. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-usability+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-usability+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote / napísal(a):

On Friday 27 April 2007 04:11, Michal Zugec wrote:

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Hi all, I'd like to announce that we start to work on improve usability in YaST2 Printer module. Some screenshots are here: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Printer http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Printer_add

We already have some new ideas (thanks Johannes) so I will update screenshots ASAP. Any comments and ideas are invited.

Bye, Michal

I would like to recommend your style of mockup presentations with big images. I have to scroll window once to the right and than scroll up and down to see all mockups.

Martin's style looks good as a web page, but if I really want to review mockups, than I have mouse click fest.

Click on image brings up restricted size image, click again on that image to see original, than click on back button twice to get back to index, or open images in tabs and move every tab, is what I have to do to review each of them.

I guess that others with 17" screens have to do the same.

Now question that friends will ask me when they try to use linux for the first time: Q: "What is [ |local|remote] CUPS server?" My A: 1) Server is the name for every program that is listening for your commands all the time and when you have one it will do what you've asked. 2) CUPS server is program that is managing printing. 3) Local CUPS server is the one running on your computer. 4) Remote CUPS server is the one running on other computer that you can reach over network.

I will keep in mind this. Btw - Printers/Queues is planned as default tab, so users don't need to know anything about other "expert staff" when configuring his own local printer.

I can imagine a lot more questions that Linux guy has to answer before new user has working printer. Too many for my slow typing.

Next: Network Interfaces Summary vs. Network Printing (Interfaces) Summary

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