On 01/11/12 13:10, Mark Misulich wrote:

Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

I have linked three screenshots on this email to illustrate what is happening.

[........] What is really missing is the URL where the original form can be obtained so that I/we can see for ourselves what happens when I/we open it in out copies of LibreOffice. For example, I am running LibreOffice v3.6.3.1 and so expect to get a different result to you. So, what is the URL for that form? BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.2 & kernel 3.6.4-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/11/12 15:01, Duaine Hechler wrote:

On 10/31/2012 10:53 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 01/11/12 13:10, Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

I have linked three screenshots on this email to illustrate what is happening.

[........]

What is really missing is the URL where the original form can be obtained so that I/we can see for ourselves what happens when I/we open it in out copies of LibreOffice.

For example, I am running LibreOffice v3.6.3.1 and so expect to get a different result to you.

So, what is the URL for that form?

BC

Not sure, in general, what has happened but I've almost given up on Libreoffice and gone back to OpenOffice.

Duaine

I see that OpenOffice is still available as a freebie. I don't remember the reasoning, but why was OpenOffice dropped and replaced with LibreOffice? BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.2 & kernel 3.6.4-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi,

I don't remember the reasoning, but why was OpenOffice dropped and replaced with LibreOffice?

Good question. I'ld prefer to see OpenOffice in the OpenSuSE distribution. Karl P.S.: sorry for the private mail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 22:10 -0400, Mark Misulich wrote:

Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

"That thing never works!" Bull. :) I could post hundreds of screenshots of myself using LO to manage multiple-hundred page documents and it working perfectly.

Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

Perhaps the document is open read-only? Because then you can't type anything into it - it will not let you modify a document if it knows your changes are going to be lost [if you save the file to a filename then it becomes RW].

-Skymark 2 shows the document opened with LibreOffice Writer. One may see that there is a superimposed block on the top of the second page on the right, placed in the wrong position on the document. LO won't allow the cursor to be placed in any block to type information into the application.

Yes, I have seen funky table flow from imported documents in the past. Table placement is the most buggy issue I have seen going back-and-forth between applications; possibly second is font-mapping, which can cause size changes [that isn't really a 'bug' however, if font X isn't available it has to be replaced by something - and thus size changes are inevitable].

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4830/23646315.png -Skymark 3 shows that LO has invented a second blank page for the document, which doesn't show up in any other word processing program (Textmaker, MS Word). I have scrolled down to near the bottom of the first page to show the blank second page residing under the first.

Expected if there is some overflow because the size of objects is calculated slightly differently. This issue goes both ways, or in all directions.

Perhaps someone knows how to rectify this situation and set LO to working correctly. I hope that no one is offended by Rocky and Bullwinkle. They were just having a little fun.

Only in that you are very much overstating the case. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, Am 01.11.2012 12:31, schrieb Marcus Meissner:

On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 11:21:10AM +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 10:59 +0100, Karl Sinn wrote:

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Hi,

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I don't remember the reasoning, but why was OpenOffice dropped and replaced with LibreOffice?

Wasn't it the case that Oracle were (are?) very slow/conservative about improving OpenOffice? So a parallel development started that was more aggressive about correcting/extending things? And that is what LibreOffice is based on?

Yes, and this forked development is LibreOffice.

We employee lots of the LibreOffice developers actually.

If you have a office file which makes troubles, open a bug and attach the file and it gets fixed.

Ciao, Marcus

now that OpenOffice is Apache, wouldn't it make sense to join the developpers forces again together on one Project? cu Karl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/11/12 13:10, Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

I have linked three screenshots on this email to illustrate what is happening.

[........]

What is really missing is the URL where the original form can be obtained so that I/we can see for ourselves what happens when I/we open it in out copies of LibreOffice.

For example, I am running LibreOffice v3.6.3.1 and so expect to get a different result to you.

So, what is the URL for that form?

BC Hi Basil,

On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:53 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: there is no url to access to find this form. It is sent by email from the employment office that makes contracts for pilots for International Air Carriers. I will send it to you via private email so that you can try it out. If anyone else would like to try, I will do the same for them if they let me know. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/11/12 00:09, Mark Misulich wrote:

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On 01/11/12 13:10, Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

I have linked three screenshots on this email to illustrate what is happening. [........]

What is really missing is the URL where the original form can be obtained so that I/we can see for ourselves what happens when I/we open it in out copies of LibreOffice.

For example, I am running LibreOffice v3.6.3.1 and so expect to get a different result to you.

So, what is the URL for that form?

BC Hi Basil,

On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:53 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: there is no url to access to find this form. It is sent by email from the employment office that makes contracts for pilots for International Air Carriers. I will send it to you via private email so that you can try it out. If anyone else would like to try, I will do the same for them if they let me know.

OK, fine. Look forward to getting that file. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.2 & kernel 3.6.4-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

It is a pity, though, that both teams do not reunite, once that Oracle is not an issue.

Indeed, but the different licensing terms are still an issue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 07:28 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 22:10 -0400, Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

"That thing never works!"

Bull. :) I could post hundreds of screenshots of myself using LO to manage multiple-hundred page documents and it working perfectly.

I opened a bug a few years ago for OpenOffice regarding addresses on an attached envelope to a Word document that open up correctly in Word in Windows, Softmaker Textmaker in Linux, and Kingsley Writer in Windows. But when I open the same document in LibreOffice in Linux or Windows today, several years later, the "To" address on the envelope won't appear on the envelope, it will appear anywhere else on the document than where it is supposed to show up. Same as the original bug of several years ago.

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Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

Perhaps the document is open read-only? Because then you can't type anything into it - it will not let you modify a document if it knows your changes are going to be lost [if you save the file to a filename then it becomes RW].

Document was saved, opens in LO in two computers and I can write in the blocks, but in two others it won't.

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-Skymark 2 shows the document opened with LibreOffice Writer. One may see that there is a superimposed block on the top of the second page on the right, placed in the wrong position on the document. LO won't allow the cursor to be placed in any block to type information into the application.

Yes, I have seen funky table flow from imported documents in the past. Table placement is the most buggy issue I have seen going back-and-forth between applications; possibly second is font-mapping, which can cause size changes [that isn't really a 'bug' however, if font X isn't available it has to be replaced by something - and thus size changes are inevitable].

Yet this doesn't happen with the three other word processor programs that I use. This has been an ongoing issue with OO/LO since I began to use the program when I first installed opensuse 10.1. I will detail in the following paragraphs why I raised this issue now in this post to the mail list. Some must know how to correct this, as I suspect you do. I don't know how, but could probably figure it out given enough time to work on it. More to the point, my friend that was trying to figure out how to fill out the application on his computer can't figure it out. He just barely knows how to use a computer, and really doesn't have much interest in learning them. When he runs across a problem like this, it is insurmountable for him. He just wants to use LO as a word processor, and doesn't want to figure out the nuts and bolts of it to make it work. He just wants and needs it to work, easily. So I see the issue with LO/OO as a usability issue that really should be corrected.

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http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4830/23646315.png -Skymark 3 shows that LO has invented a second blank page for the document, which doesn't show up in any other word processing program (Textmaker, MS Word). I have scrolled down to near the bottom of the first page to show the blank second page residing under the first.

Expected if there is some overflow because the size of objects is calculated slightly differently. This issue goes both ways, or in all directions.

...

Perhaps someone knows how to rectify this situation and set LO to working correctly. I hope that no one is offended by Rocky and Bullwinkle. They were just having a little fun.

Only in that you are very much overstating the case. Well, yes, guilty as charged. It was an attempt at some innocent humor because of my experience with OO/LO, but I think that I have offended you with it. I am sorry for that.

Please don't view my comment as a bitter denunciation of LO, it is not intended to be construed in that manner. My friend just needs the word processor to work easily, and it doesn't. It seems that there are some ongoing issues that if corrected, would make the program usability much better. That is what I am trying to convey, and I used some hyperbole to get my point across. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Karl Sinn [01.11.2012 12:38]:

now that OpenOffice is Apache, wouldn't it make sense to join the developpers forces again together on one Project?

Ask the developers, not openSUSE ;-) -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-01 16:21, Werner Flamme wrote:

Karl Sinn [01.11.2012 12:38]:

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now that OpenOffice is Apache, wouldn't it make sense to join the developpers forces again together on one Project?

Ask the developers, not openSUSE ;-)

Why not? openSUSE may have an opinion on this. And SUSE is a big sponsor of LO, it could push in one direction or another. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCSuSoACgkQja8UbcUWM1wD1gD+L/fWqlNhJCQtH5rYrENvIhCW PGfaC5Wb5OtN6BfmIWIBAIK3j86fn2s1mq1CLHvmmDxh6K77zRoaJRZWNOc/ayiz =29mx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-02 09:39, Marcus Meissner wrote:

Just be aware that SUSE and openSUSE are not the same thing here.

I am. But we are family, no? ;-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCTslsACgkQja8UbcUWM1y/gQD+KGgnX6fL11Kcd8WnURcpPSPE b01rJTO64Yf0UPfmY2gA/2AVDg89S/MoV5I3sv9Apn04IOFbcRINFC4tBk0h3ZP8 =EPdh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 06:39 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On 11/01/2012 03:10 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

I have linked three screenshots on this email to illustrate what is happening.

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/536/30371398.png

-Skymark 1 shows the document as it should display correctly, and allows information to be typed into appropriate blocks. This was opened up with Softmaker Textmaker program.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4092/62537760.png

-Skymark 2 shows the document opened with LibreOffice Writer. One may see that there is a superimposed block on the top of the second page on the right, placed in the wrong position on the document. LO won't allow the cursor to be placed in any block to type information into the application.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4830/23646315.png

-Skymark 3 shows that LO has invented a second blank page for the document, which doesn't show up in any other word processing program (Textmaker, MS Word). I have scrolled down to near the bottom of the first page to show the blank second page residing under the first.

Perhaps someone knows how to rectify this situation and set LO to working correctly.

I hope that no one is offended by Rocky and Bullwinkle. They were just having a little fun.

Please file a bug and attach the screenshots and the original file so that the openSUSE LibreOffice developers can look into it and fix it.

For bug reporting, see http://bugs.opensuse.org

Andreas

-- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

I opened the bug, here is the url: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787881 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2012-11-02 10:22 (GMT-0400) Ken Schneider composed:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Marcus Meissner wrote:

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Just be aware that SUSE and openSUSE are not the same thing here.

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I am. But we are family, no? ;-)

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The Addams Family :-) ?

More like the Brady bunch. :-)

I'm thinking less functional, more like the Bundys. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Mark Misulich píše v Pá 02. 11. 2012 v 09:28 -0400:

On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 06:39 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On 11/01/2012 03:10 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

I have linked three screenshots on this email to illustrate what is happening.

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/536/30371398.png

-Skymark 1 shows the document as it should display correctly, and allows information to be typed into appropriate blocks. This was opened up with Softmaker Textmaker program.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4092/62537760.png

-Skymark 2 shows the document opened with LibreOffice Writer. One may see that there is a superimposed block on the top of the second page on the right, placed in the wrong position on the document. LO won't allow the cursor to be placed in any block to type information into the application.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4830/23646315.png

-Skymark 3 shows that LO has invented a second blank page for the document, which doesn't show up in any other word processing program (Textmaker, MS Word). I have scrolled down to near the bottom of the first page to show the blank second page residing under the first.

Perhaps someone knows how to rectify this situation and set LO to working correctly.

I hope that no one is offended by Rocky and Bullwinkle. They were just having a little fun.

Please file a bug and attach the screenshots and the original file so that the openSUSE LibreOffice developers can look into it and fix it.

For bug reporting, see http://bugs.opensuse.org

I opened the bug, here is the url:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787881

Thanks a lot for the bug. This gives us chance to fix the problem. Best Regards, Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 17:32 +0100, Petr Mladek wrote:

Mark Misulich píše v Pá 02. 11. 2012 v 09:28 -0400:

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On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 06:39 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On 11/01/2012 03:10 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I tried to use LibreOffice to open a .doc file for a friend of mine so he could fill it out for a job app. However, it won't open up in LO Writer (LibreOffice 3.5:build-413) correctly on Opensuse 12.1 or 12.2 on three different computers.

Specifically, it doesn't provide a correct graphic display of the document. Also, it doesn't allow anyone to type in information in the appropriate blocks.

I have linked three screenshots on this email to illustrate what is happening.

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/536/30371398.png

-Skymark 1 shows the document as it should display correctly, and allows information to be typed into appropriate blocks. This was opened up with Softmaker Textmaker program.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4092/62537760.png

-Skymark 2 shows the document opened with LibreOffice Writer. One may see that there is a superimposed block on the top of the second page on the right, placed in the wrong position on the document. LO won't allow the cursor to be placed in any block to type information into the application.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4830/23646315.png

-Skymark 3 shows that LO has invented a second blank page for the document, which doesn't show up in any other word processing program (Textmaker, MS Word). I have scrolled down to near the bottom of the first page to show the blank second page residing under the first.

Perhaps someone knows how to rectify this situation and set LO to working correctly.

I hope that no one is offended by Rocky and Bullwinkle. They were just having a little fun.

Please file a bug and attach the screenshots and the original file so that the openSUSE LibreOffice developers can look into it and fix it.

For bug reporting, see http://bugs.opensuse.org

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I opened the bug, here is the url:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787881

Thanks a lot for the bug. This gives us chance to fix the problem.

Best Regards, Petr

I also opened a separate bug for the other issue that I wrote about in a later post to this thread. This is a bug that causes the recipient's address on an attached envelope to a word document to appear anywhere in the document other than on the envelope. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787942 Good luck on sorting things out in LibreOffice. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org