[oS-en] Suddenly, mouse wheel doesn't work.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Suddenly, mouse wheel doesn't work. It was working, and suddenly it stopped working. I was seeing strange messages in log related to usb, so I unplugged/replugged the mouse, no effect. I downgraded the kernel several versions, no effect. Middle button, which shares the wheel, works. Leap 15.4. XFCE. What can I do to diagnose? This one is a trackball. I connected at the same time a second mouse, cheapo, and it works fine. Telcontar:~ # hwinfo --mouse 59: USB 00.1: 10503 USB Mouse [Created at usb.122] Unique ID: PsRb.FBtr+tYVKV1 Parent ID: k4bc.029GFTetOb3 SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.3/0000:03:00.0/usb1/1-13/1-13:1.1 SysFS BusID: 1-13:1.1 Hardware Class: mouse Model: "Holtek USB Keyboard" Hotplug: USB Vendor: usb 0x04d9 "Holtek Semiconductor, Inc." Device: usb 0x2020 "USB Keyboard" Revision: "1.01" Compatible to: int 0x0200 0x0001 "Generic USB Mouse" <=== WTF? No such thing. Driver: "usbhid" Driver Modules: "usbhid" Device File: /dev/input/event3 Device Files: /dev/input/event3, /dev/input/by-id/usb-CYKB13_USB_Keyboard-event-if01, /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:03:00.0-usb-0:13:1.1-event Device Number: char 13:67 Speed: 1.5 Mbps Module Alias: "usb:v04D9p2020d0101dc00dsc00dp00ic03isc01ip02in01" Driver Info #0: XFree86 Protocol: explorerps/2 GPM Protocol: exps2 Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #62 (Hub) 61: USB 00.0: 10503 USB Mouse [Created at usb.122] Unique ID: Mwf_.z_8Swe_nwg5 Parent ID: 2XnU.BpLUUanApo2 SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.1/0000:29:00.3/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0 SysFS BusID: 5-3:1.0 Hardware Class: mouse Model: "Logitech TrackMan Wheel" <========= Hotplug: USB Vendor: usb 0x046d "Logitech, Inc." Device: usb 0xc404 "TrackMan Wheel" Revision: "2.20" Compatible to: int 0x0210 0x0023 Driver: "usbhid" Driver Modules: "usbhid" Device File: /dev/input/mice (/dev/input/mouse0) Device Files: /dev/input/mice, /dev/input/mouse0, /dev/input/event0, /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:29:00.3-usb-0:3:1.0-event-mouse, /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_Trackball-event-mouse, /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_Trackball-mouse, /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:29:00.3-usb-0:3:1.0-mouse Device Number: char 13:63 (char 13:32) Speed: 1.5 Mbps Module Alias: "usb:v046DpC404d0220dc00dsc00dp00ic03isc01ip02in00" Driver Info #0: Buttons: 3 Wheels: 1 XFree86 Protocol: explorerps/2 GPM Protocol: exps2 Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #64 (Hub) Telcontar:~ # - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCY9gjZRwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfV/vAAmwYh1wv5utPK0ta/zdr5 cu6bp5ThAJ9nYxhbeAvQzSu6GWB0joUYDysLsg== =TWyg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 2023-01-30 21:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
Suddenly, mouse wheel doesn't work. It was working, and suddenly it stopped working. I was seeing strange messages in log related to usb, so I unplugged/replugged the mouse, no effect. I downgraded the kernel several versions, no effect.
Middle button, which shares the wheel, works.
Leap 15.4. XFCE.
What can I do to diagnose?
This one is a trackball. I connected at the same time a second mouse, cheapo, and it works fine.
Hardware broke down. I connected to laptop, and same symptoms :-/ I didn't test that before because I thought it would be impossible. Any suggestion for a new trackball, with cable? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2023-01-30 21:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-30 21:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This one is a trackball. I connected at the same time a second mouse, cheapo, and it works fine.
Hardware broke down. I connected to laptop, and same symptoms :-/
Got it partially working, it is fluff in the wheel. Usually these things give "warnings", not fail suddenly. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [01-30-23 15:25]:
On 2023-01-30 21:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-30 21:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This one is a trackball. I connected at the same time a second mouse, cheapo, and it works fine.
Hardware broke down. I connected to laptop, and same symptoms :-/
Got it partially working, it is fluff in the wheel. Usually these things give "warnings", not fail suddenly.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
one should never fluff the mouse wheel! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 2023-01-30 21:36, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [01-30-23 15:25]:
On 2023-01-30 21:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-30 21:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This one is a trackball. I connected at the same time a second mouse, cheapo, and it works fine.
Hardware broke down. I connected to laptop, and same symptoms :-/
Got it partially working, it is fluff in the wheel. Usually these things give "warnings", not fail suddenly.
one should never fluff the mouse wheel!
Oh, well, it is working again, after some work. Not the first time I do this, but it caught me by surprise. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2023-01-30 21:23, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-30 21:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-30 21:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
(Logitech trackball Marble+)
This one is a trackball. I connected at the same time a second mouse, cheapo, and it works fine.
Hardware broke down. I connected to laptop, and same symptoms :-/
Got it partially working, it is fluff in the wheel. Usually these things give "warnings", not fail suddenly.
Failed again, this time with "warning". It would move down the window, but not up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/7v44kwGA9Rj4t8QK9 This time I found a new place where the fluff was hiding, not visible initially. I could not find fluff elsewhere. Each time I try this, I find a new place. The little wheel can be pulled up, and the wheel disassembled almost entirely and cleaned completely. The problem is placing them, and two springs, back in the correct place. Amazing the amount of fluff I found there. To clean under the optical sensors, I used a bit of paper cut from a Postit note. I now think I should have used the sticky part. And all the time, the trackball had to be connected to see if it worked. Saved a hundred euros or so, I'm happy :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.1/0000:29:00.3/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0 SysFS BusID: 5-3:1.0 Hardware Class: mouse Model: "Logitech TrackMan Wheel" <=========
In my experience - I've had at least four Logitech trackballs over the last 25 years - Logitech trackballs are crap. With my regular 8-10 hour daily office use maybe followed by some gaming, they have either worn out or just died. I have had one or two replaced on warranty within the first year, only for it to wear out within a year again. What is wrong with yours I can't say, I'm only sharing my experience. I have long since switched to a Kensington trackball, "Expert Mouse". I think it was recommended by someone here on the list. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 01/31/2023 4:16 AM CST Per Jessen <per@jessen.ch> wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.1/0000:29:00.3/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0 SysFS BusID: 5-3:1.0 Hardware Class: mouse Model: "Logitech TrackMan Wheel" <=========
In my experience - I've had at least four Logitech trackballs over the last 25 years - Logitech trackballs are crap.
With my regular 8-10 hour daily office use maybe followed by some gaming, they have either worn out or just died. I have had one or two replaced on warranty within the first year, only for it to wear out within a year again.
What is wrong with yours I can't say, I'm only sharing my experience.
I have long since switched to a Kensington trackball, "Expert Mouse". I think it was recommended by someone here on the list.
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
I have been using this Logitech trackball for years https://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-ergo-m575-wireless-trackball-mouse-wit... Both wireless and wired units. Unless you use a hammer on one I have had no issues. I use two at home everyday and two more at the office in Wichita. Also have one to travel with for my laptop. -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Bill Walsh wrote:
On 01/31/2023 4:16 AM CST Per Jessen <> wrote: Carlos E. R. wrote:
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.1/0000:29:00.3/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0 SysFS BusID: 5-3:1.0 Hardware Class: mouse Model: "Logitech TrackMan Wheel" <=========
In my experience - I've had at least four Logitech trackballs over the last 25 years - Logitech trackballs are crap.
With my regular 8-10 hour daily office use maybe followed by some gaming, they have either worn out or just died. I have had one or two replaced on warranty within the first year, only for it to wear out within a year again.
What is wrong with yours I can't say, I'm only sharing my experience.
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove. I don't remember when was the previous time when this happened; a few years back, I'm sure. I must write a label under the mouse. Wrote one on Gnote meanwhile.
I have long since switched to a Kensington trackball, "Expert Mouse". I think it was recommended by someone here on the list.
This? <https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Wireless-Trackball-K72359WW/dp/B01936N73I?th=1> Doesn't look confortable.
I have been using this Logitech trackball for years
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-ergo-m575-wireless-trackball-mouse-wit...
The link can not be opened. It asks where I live: Canada, USA, Mexico, and then doesn't produce your product page. Ah, ok, I have to hit back and then I see your trackball. It is very similar to mine, except I don't have the two tiny buttons.
Both wireless and wired units. Unless you use a hammer on one I have had no issues.
I use two at home everyday and two more at the office in Wichita. Also have one to travel with for my laptop.
Mine works so well that when it fails like this I have forgotten what's the problem, previous time was years before... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Bill Walsh wrote:
On 01/31/2023 4:16 AM CST Per Jessen <> wrote:
What is wrong with yours I can't say, I'm only sharing my experience.
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove.
Usually the ball is easy to just pop out of the holder. It certainly was in the Marble FX and the M575, and the Kensington too.
I have long since switched to a Kensington trackball, "Expert Mouse". I think it was recommended by someone here on the list.
This?
<https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Wireless-Trackball-K72359WW/dp/B01936N73I?th=1>
The wired version: (a wireless trackball seems ridiculous idea to me). https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/product/kensington-expert-kabelgebunden-maus-20...
Doesn't look confortable.
Yeah, it is horribly uncomfortable. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.8°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 12:11, Per Jessen <per@jessen.ch> wrote:
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove.
Usually the ball is easy to just pop out of the holder. It certainly was in the Marble FX and the M575, and the Kensington too.
The ball is easy. Scroll wheels are much harder. I have the same issue with a Logitech gamer's mouse I bought recently, 2nd hand. Scrolling is erratic and starts in the wrong direction. There are many people complaining in fora all over the web, but only a very few who isolated it: fluff in the wheel. Cleaning requires complete disassembly. So far, I've not had the time: it's cheaper to switch to a working (but inferior) mouse. :-/ -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
On 2023-01-31 13:55, Liam Proven wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 12:11, Per Jessen <per@jessen.ch> wrote:
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove.
Usually the ball is easy to just pop out of the holder. It certainly was in the Marble FX and the M575, and the Kensington too.
The ball is easy. Scroll wheels are much harder.
I have the same issue with a Logitech gamer's mouse I bought recently, 2nd hand. Scrolling is erratic and starts in the wrong direction.
There are many people complaining in fora all over the web, but only a very few who isolated it: fluff in the wheel. Cleaning requires complete disassembly. So far, I've not had the time: it's cheaper to switch to a working (but inferior) mouse. :-/
I did not disassemble it completely, there is a spring that I don't know if I'd be able to put right after. I made do with a crochet needle or hook <https://www.senshoku.es/1378-large_default/aguja-crochet-drops-basic-4-5mm.jpg> <https://www.diyconlana.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2_4_3_1-1-e1528200683232.jpg> The thin one. That needle, tweezers like in the photo below, and blowing hard with my mouth, not the blowing compressor. <https://images.app.goo.gl/VG3g6Upc1FiFYAzn8> Second time I do it, the other must have been two or three years ago at least. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.4)
On 2023-01-31 14:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-31 13:55, Liam Proven wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 12:11, Per Jessen <> wrote:
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove.
Usually the ball is easy to just pop out of the holder. It certainly was in the Marble FX and the M575, and the Kensington too.
The ball is easy. Scroll wheels are much harder.
I have the same issue with a Logitech gamer's mouse I bought recently, 2nd hand. Scrolling is erratic and starts in the wrong direction.
There are many people complaining in fora all over the web, but only a very few who isolated it: fluff in the wheel. Cleaning requires complete disassembly. So far, I've not had the time: it's cheaper to switch to a working (but inferior) mouse. :-/
I did not disassemble it completely, there is a spring that I don't know if I'd be able to put right after. I made do with a crochet needle or hook
<https://www.senshoku.es/1378-large_default/aguja-crochet-drops-basic-4-5mm.jpg>
<https://www.diyconlana.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2_4_3_1-1-e1528200683232.jpg>
The thin one. That needle, tweezers like in the photo below, and blowing hard with my mouth, not the blowing compressor.
<https://images.app.goo.gl/VG3g6Upc1FiFYAzn8>
Second time I do it, the other must have been two or three years ago at least.
I took some close photos: <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7v44kwGA9Rj4t8QK9> It had already got more fluff, which I removed. I don't know how it got it this fast, it must be a fluff atractor. Of course, the photos are so close and enlarged, that it seems a pile of dust and fluff 🙁 It is also impossible to have everything in focus. Nor can I control what the phone decides to focus on, apparently. It is all automatic. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2023-01-31 13:11, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Bill Walsh wrote:
On 01/31/2023 4:16 AM CST Per Jessen <> wrote:
What is wrong with yours I can't say, I'm only sharing my experience.
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove.
Usually the ball is easy to just pop out of the holder. It certainly was in the Marble FX and the M575, and the Kensington too.
Not the ball, the wheel. I didn't take a photo.
I have long since switched to a Kensington trackball, "Expert Mouse". I think it was recommended by someone here on the list.
This?
<https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Wireless-Trackball-K72359WW/dp/B01936N73I?th=1>
The wired version: (a wireless trackball seems ridiculous idea to me).
https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/product/kensington-expert-kabelgebunden-maus-20...
Wireles maybe for laptops or things used in the sitting room, on the lap.
Doesn't look confortable.
Yeah, it is horribly uncomfortable.
Tsk. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.4)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-31 13:11, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Bill Walsh wrote:
On 01/31/2023 4:16 AM CST Per Jessen <> wrote:
What is wrong with yours I can't say, I'm only sharing my experience.
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove.
Usually the ball is easy to just pop out of the holder. It certainly was in the Marble FX and the M575, and the Kensington too.
Not the ball, the wheel. I didn't take a photo.
Hmm, I don't recall even trying to clean any wheels - maybe those trackballs just didn't last long enough. The Kensington has a scroll "ring", the only way to clean is with a toothbrush.
The wired version: (a wireless trackball seems ridiculous idea to me).
https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/product/kensington-expert-kabelgebunden-maus-20...
Wireles maybe for laptops or things used in the sitting room, on the lap.
Still does not make sense to me. For me, the trackball has to rest on a solid surface that also supports my wrist. For a laptop that I actually move around with me, I only ever use the built-in touchpad. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.7°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-01-31 16:37, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-31 13:11, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Bill Walsh wrote:
On 01/31/2023 4:16 AM CST Per Jessen <> wrote:
The wired version: (a wireless trackball seems ridiculous idea to me).
https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/product/kensington-expert-kabelgebunden-maus-20...
Wireles maybe for laptops or things used in the sitting room, on the lap.
Still does not make sense to me. For me, the trackball has to rest on a solid surface that also supports my wrist. For a laptop that I actually move around with me, I only ever use the built-in touchpad.
Me too, but some people never adapt and buy a mouse. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.4)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Still does not make sense to me. For me, the trackball has to rest on a solid surface that also supports my wrist. For a laptop that I actually move around with me, I only ever use the built-in touchpad.
Me too, but some people never adapt and buy a mouse.
In which case, a wireless trackball clearly doesn't make sense to them either :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-01-31 17:19, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Still does not make sense to me. For me, the trackball has to rest on a solid surface that also supports my wrist. For a laptop that I actually move around with me, I only ever use the built-in touchpad.
Me too, but some people never adapt and buy a mouse.
In which case, a wireless trackball clearly doesn't make sense to them either :-)
Dunno... A mouse needs a surface. And if one is used to a trackball, I guess I'd get a trackball. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.4)
On 1/31/23 07:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Still does not make sense to me. For me, the trackball has to rest on a solid surface that also supports my wrist. For a laptop that I actually move around with me, I only ever use the built-in touchpad.
Me too, but some people never adapt and buy a mouse.
I was introduced to trackballs in 1965 and I never liked them, especially the ones where there's a small ball for the thumb. For my uncoordinated self, I find it easier to control the cursor with a traditional mouse. I'm also weird in that I'm right-handed, but use my left hand for the mouse. I remember when I first started using a GUI and mouse with SunOS around 1986, I figured that since my right hand was used more to hit the "Enter" key, I might as well split the workload and let my left command the mouse. I don't like touchpads either. Regards, Lew
On 2023-01-31 17:38, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 1/31/23 07:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Still does not make sense to me. For me, the trackball has to rest on a solid surface that also supports my wrist. For a laptop that I actually move around with me, I only ever use the built-in touchpad.
Me too, but some people never adapt and buy a mouse.
I was introduced to trackballs in 1965 and I never liked them, especially the ones where there's a small ball for the thumb.
For my uncoordinated self, I find it easier to control the cursor with a traditional mouse.
I got really introduced around 1995 at the job. We installed computers in a 19 inch rack, and in engine workshops, sometimes on tables. Mice failed when used by mechanics with greasy hands, and space was tight anyway. So our friendly computer vendor told me to try trackballs. A Logitech Marble. Very expensive thing at the time, but it worked. It really did, because it had no wheels moved by the ball, but instead the ball had painted dots and a sensor directly read them. It always worked. For the racks we found a tiny keyboard with encrusted trackball. Probably an industrial keyboard, really expensive thing. So, when I had a chance, I got a trackball for myself during a trip to Canada, much cheaper. That one still works. In the current incumbent, it is the wheel that fails, and Liam confirms that I am not alone. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.4)
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 1/31/23 07:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Still does not make sense to me. For me, the trackball has to rest on a solid surface that also supports my wrist. For a laptop that I actually move around with me, I only ever use the built-in touchpad.
Me too, but some people never adapt and buy a mouse.
I was introduced to trackballs in 1965 and I never liked them, especially the ones where there's a small ball for the thumb.
Hmm, I guess we're still vaguely on-topic :-) Myself, I switched to trackball in the late 90s and I use left or right hand. I think it depends a lot on what you do - if it involves a lot of work with the mouse, my wrist often hurts after a long day. I've never had that with the trackball.
I don't like touchpads either.
I'm no big fan either, but in the situations where I use the laptop, I usually don't want to faff with the mouse or I don't have the space for one, e.g. working whilst riding a train. A necessary (small) evil. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 01/31/2023 6:11 AM CST Per Jessen <per@jessen.ch> wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Bill Walsh wrote:
On 01/31/2023 4:16 AM CST Per Jessen <> wrote:
What is wrong with yours I can't say, I'm only sharing my experience.
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove.
Usually the ball is easy to just pop out of the holder. It certainly was in the Marble FX and the M575, and the Kensington too.
I have long since switched to a Kensington trackball, "Expert Mouse". I think it was recommended by someone here on the list.
This?
<https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Wireless-Trackball-K72359WW/dp/B01936N73I?th=1>
The wired version: (a wireless trackball seems ridiculous idea to me).
At home my computers are so far from my working position that wireless is the only practical way. It's either that or USB extender cables. In Wichita I'm not there all the time so I use wired trackballs and keyboards. No sense batteries sitting there dying. -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain
On 01/31/2023 5:21 AM CST Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Bill Walsh wrote:
On 01/31/2023 4:16 AM CST Per Jessen <> wrote: Carlos E. R. wrote:
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.1/0000:29:00.3/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0 SysFS BusID: 5-3:1.0 Hardware Class: mouse Model: "Logitech TrackMan Wheel" <=========
In my experience - I've had at least four Logitech trackballs over the last 25 years - Logitech trackballs are crap.
With my regular 8-10 hour daily office use maybe followed by some gaming, they have either worn out or just died. I have had one or two replaced on warranty within the first year, only for it to wear out within a year again.
What is wrong with yours I can't say, I'm only sharing my experience.
Fluff inside the wheel, difficult to remove.
I don't remember when was the previous time when this happened; a few years back, I'm sure. I must write a label under the mouse. Wrote one on Gnote meanwhile.
I have long since switched to a Kensington trackball, "Expert Mouse". I think it was recommended by someone here on the list.
This?
<https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Wireless-Trackball-K72359WW/dp/B01936N73I?th=1>
Doesn't look confortable.
I have been using this Logitech trackball for years
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-ergo-m575-wireless-trackball-mouse-wit...
The link can not be opened. It asks where I live: Canada, USA, Mexico, and then doesn't produce your product page. Ah, ok, I have to hit back and then I see your trackball. It is very similar to mine, except I don't have the two tiny buttons.
Both wireless and wired units. Unless you use a hammer on one I have had no issues.
I use two at home everyday and two more at the office in Wichita. Also have one to travel with for my laptop.
Mine works so well that when it fails like this I have forgotten what's the problem, previous time was years before...
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Never had an issue with the scroll wheel. Have to take the ball out every once in a while for a good cleaning. -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain
participants (8)
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Bill Walsh -
Carlos E. R. -
Carlos E.R. -
James Knott -
Lew Wolfgang -
Liam Proven -
Patrick Shanahan -
Per Jessen