On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:38 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 08:28 -0500, Duaine & Laura Hechler wrote:

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To push customers to pricier versions of Windows 7, Microsoft is limiting the features of the cheaper edition.

*The most basic, called Starter Edition, can only run three programs at a time. * http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3821

Is this different than before :)

Actually yes, it's now hoard coded as opposed to what normally happens when you try and get Windows to really work. ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I know nothing about the OT list - and - I'm trying to get this info out to the widest audience - Sheesh ! Chill ! Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Duaine & Laura Hechler [03-16-09 09:33]:

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To push customers to pricier versions of Windows 7, Microsoft is

Since you recognize and acknowledge that the post *is* "OT" for here, why not put it where it belongs (Or don't post it!)?

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Duaine & Laura Hechler [03-16-09 10:29]:

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I know nothing about the OT list - and - I'm trying to get this info out to the widest audience - Sheesh ! Chill !

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Duaine & Laura Hechler [03-16-09 09:33]:

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To push customers to pricier versions of Windows 7, Microsoft is

Since you recognize and acknowledge that the post *is* "OT" for here, why not put it where it belongs (Or don't post it!)?

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And now you do :^)

It's use will be appreciated.

ps. While it has warmed considerably here, it is not uncomfortable. Thanks for your concern.

While I agree off-topic posts are generally uninteresting and out of place, only if a thread becomes a real problem due to significant S/N ratio, or has real offensive content, maybe then it's time to play nanny and tell other people how to behave, but I would say not until then. If you and anyone else who jumps to tell other people what to do are doing so for the sake of the list and not for the sake of your selves, then you should probably have an idea what everyone else feels before speaking in their name. To that end, here's how one member of that group feels: While the various OT complaints are technically valid, I find the commands to use a list no one reads and other net nanny posts more offensive to read than most of the off topic posts themselves. a) The original "offense" is usually at least something in a positive mood, however trivially/technically misguided, while the rebuff is by definition always a negative, and is ALSO technically just as off-topic as the opriginal "offense". b) The wrist-slap almost always generates far more off topic posts in the form of ensuing arguments, which this very post of mine is a perfect example, than the original "offense". c) The ensuing argument is always rather negative, it's an argument, it even devolves into personal insults fairly often, while the original offense usually isn't actually offensive in any way other than being uninteresting or having it's interest be unrelated or only weakly related to openSUSE. I always would rather deal with uninteresting threads by simply not participating in them, and only in the most extreme cases by telling anyone else what to do. (note the lack of commands even in this post) In fact, one wonders why someone who is so concerned with polluting the list with impure thoughts not related to openSUSE would have posted a message about mail list etiquette to a mail list that isn't about mail list etiquette instead of directly to the "offender". I didn't find one shred of interesting (or uninteresting for that matter) content about openSUSE in your own post. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 16 March 2009 02:38:43 pm Tony Alfrey wrote: ...

and indeed, it is very easy to filter posts prefixed by <OT> ;-)

It is, but this is not Usenet. This list has archive that can be useful, but when it is polluted with noise it is hard to find, and read, relevant articles. If anyone wants to help, please consider reading: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette and propose changes that will lesser need for management. In a few minutes I'll open new thread with topic: OpenSUSE mailing list netiquette improvements. Please come and discuss there. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Duaine & Laura Hechler [03-16-09 10:29]:

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I know nothing about the OT list - and - I'm trying to get this info out to the widest audience - Sheesh ! Chill !

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Duaine & Laura Hechler [03-16-09 09:33]:

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To push customers to pricier versions of Windows 7, Microsoft is

Since you recognize and acknowledge that the post *is* "OT" for here, why not put it where it belongs (Or don't post it!)?

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And now you do :^)

It's use will be appreciated.

ps. While it has warmed considerably here, it is not uncomfortable. Thanks for your concern.

While I agree off-topic posts are generally uninteresting and out of place, only if a thread becomes a real problem due to significant S/N ratio, or has real offensive content, maybe then it's time to play nanny and tell other people how to behave, but I would say not until then.

If you and anyone else who jumps to tell other people what to do are doing so for the sake of the list and not for the sake of your selves, then you should probably have an idea what everyone else feels before speaking in their name. To that end, here's how one member of that group feels:

While the various OT complaints are technically valid, I find the commands to use a list no one reads and other net nanny posts more offensive to read than most of the off topic posts themselves. a) The original "offense" is usually at least something in a positive mood, however trivially/technically misguided, while the rebuff is by definition always a negative, and is ALSO technically just as off-topic as the opriginal "offense". b) The wrist-slap almost always generates far more off topic posts in the form of ensuing arguments, which this very post of mine is a perfect example, than the original "offense". c) The ensuing argument is always rather negative, it's an argument, it even devolves into personal insults fairly often, while the original offense usually isn't actually offensive in any way other than being uninteresting or having it's interest be unrelated or only weakly related to openSUSE.

I always would rather deal with uninteresting threads by simply not participating in them, and only in the most extreme cases by telling anyone else what to do. (note the lack of commands even in this post)

In fact, one wonders why someone who is so concerned with polluting the list with impure thoughts not related to openSUSE would have posted a message about mail list etiquette to a mail list that isn't about mail list etiquette instead of directly to the "offender". I didn't find one shred of interesting (or uninteresting for that matter) content about openSUSE in your own post.

AMEN! --doug

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On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 09:28 -0500, Duaine & Laura Hechler wrote:

I know nothing about the OT list - and - I'm trying to get this info out to the widest audience - Sheesh ! Chill !

But why? It's nonsense information. It's simply spamming this list which is about...wait for it...openSUSE linux..... We all do our fair share of MS bashing, but that is not what this list is about. The Starter Edition of Vista/7 is nothing new. It always had this limitation. You won't see it in retail stores or are on a new shiny desktop on Best Buy or Staples shelves. Now had you used the GO! Linux! subject without the OT and the message of your email was something cool, like it's been integrated into the new space shuttle or some cool innovated vehicle, you wouldn't be flamed like this. MS is not pressuring anyone into buying the pricer version with Starter Edition. It will be geared to 3rd world countries, like Vista SE was, and netbooks. Can this topic die now? -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

GEESH! LET IT GO ALREADY! An OT once in awhile don't hurt if NOBODY replies to KEEP IT GOING. The people just had to reply, probably, need to "sweep their own doorstep". FYI: With a different line, I sent this to the piano tech list because most of them use Windows. And some have already posted OT complaints about the crappyness of VISTA. SO if the people would stop replying, these vollies would never get started. I'M DONE - UNLESS - SOMEONE HAS TO RESPOND TO THIS POST. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 04:53 -0400, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:28, Duaine & Laura Hechler wrote:

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To push customers to pricier versions of Windows 7, Microsoft is limiting the features of the cheaper edition.

*The most basic, called Starter Edition, can only run three programs at a time. * http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3821

Don't they only sell those editions only in so called "third world" countries? I remember a similar edition of Windows XP -- it could only support up to X MB of ram and X GB hard drive (something along the lines of 128mb / 40GB... IIRC)

If someone sells anything like vista to the developping world.... They will remain part for the developing world for a long long time ;-( They deserve better than that! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I SEE THIS IS _ STILL _ GOING !!!!

Yes, monsters typically do. Please don't post off topic threads, it leads to a phenomenon called "bikeshedding" where everyone must chip in. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

On 3/19/09, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2009-03-18 at 22:50 -0500, Duaine & Laura Hechler wrote:

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I SEE THIS IS _ STILL _ GOING !!!!

Your fault >:-P

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

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This thread is all messed up.. There's a group of people who think this should go to the OT list, but look at the OT list. It's full of .... Never mind... So what if someone is sending this out? Just delete the thread! Personally, I find it interesting. But anyways, how many apps do you want to run at a time? Not that I like this idea, but how many do you want to run on a netbook? It only has limited CPU and memory... Allen Allen Registered Linux User 484485 (http://counter.li.org/) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org