Suse Linux information required - New user
Hello, Iam new to Linux as well as to this list. I have taken the responsibility of 2 Suse Linux machines. I see that Suse Linux V9.1 is installed on the machine. I have not done much with Linux. I see that Suse has given some security patches for some of the SW. These machines are production machines (one is 32bit and another 64bit) I would like to know the following: 1. How I can get and install the patches(any utlities like up2date etc. on Suse) I will appreciate very much if I can get step by step procedure so that I can keep the the downtime very less. I can get a listing of the SW installed on the machine with rpm -qa command. But afterwards? If there is a kernel patch then I would like to know how I have to proceed with this. Present kernel version 64 bit: 2.6.4-52-smp #1 SMP 32 bit: 2.6.5-7.111-bigsmp #1 SMP Thanks in advance. With regards, Kumar ------------------------------------------------------------------ Padiyath Sreekumar | Tel: +41.56.310.3643 Paul Scherrer Institut | email: kumar.padiyath@psi.ch AIT | Office: WHGA/U132 WHGA/U132 | Fax: +41.56.310.3649 CH-5232 Villigen PSI | Switzerland | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Padiyath Sreekumaran wrote:
Hello, Iam new to Linux as well as to this list. I have taken the responsibility of 2 Suse Linux machines. I see that Suse Linux V9.1 is installed on the machine. I have not done much with Linux. I see that Suse has given some security patches for some of the SW. These machines are production machines (one is 32bit and another 64bit) I would like to know the following:
1. How I can get and install the patches(any utlities like up2date etc. on Suse)
Just run "yast" from commandline and then choose Software -> Online update. You can also install and use apt (http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/). If you're behind a proxy, you should first set this up (Yast -> Network Services -> Proxy), otherwise you won't be able to get any updates (Yast online update uses HTTP and FTP servers). robert
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 14:58 +0200, Robert Manfreda wrote:
Padiyath Sreekumaran wrote:
Hello, Iam new to Linux as well as to this list. I have taken the responsibility of 2 Suse Linux machines. I see that Suse Linux V9.1 is installed on the machine. I have not done much with Linux. I see that Suse has given some security patches for some of the SW. These machines are production machines (one is 32bit and another 64bit) I would like to know the following:
1. How I can get and install the patches(any utlities like up2date etc. on Suse)
Just run "yast" from commandline and then choose Software -> Online update. You can also install and use apt
I HIGHLY recommend you do not use apt on a production machine as it is to easy to break something causing unwanted downtime.
(http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/). If you're behind a proxy, you should first set this up (Yast -> Network Services -> Proxy), otherwise you won't be able to get any updates (Yast online update uses HTTP and FTP servers).
robert
-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
Op donderdag 12 mei 2005 15:10, schreef Ken Schneider:
Just run "yast" from commandline and then choose Software -> Online update. You can also install and use apt
I HIGHLY recommend you do not use apt on a production machine as it is to easy to break something causing unwanted downtime.
What a nonsense (sorry). That is because on a production machine you would use the stable suse components (base, security and update) and not the 'on edge ones' or do you? As such you obtain the same (exactly the same) rpms as YOU!! Ken: with your words; do not use YOU on a production machine as it is ..... etc The chance to break the system is bigger indeed, when you start using other apt components, in this case you need to know what you're doing to prevent unwanted results. I use apt on a production machines for a long time and no unwanted downtime yet..... -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Thursday 12 May 2005 22:44, Richard Bos wrote:
Ken: with your words; do not use YOU on a production machine as it is ..... etc
That's actually good advice, sort of. You shouldn't run updates directly on a production machine where uptime is important. This isn't a suse or linux thing, it's true everywhere. You should always run a test environment identical to your crucial production machine where you install new patches and updates first, and only after everything checks out do you install them on the production system.
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 22:44 +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
Op donderdag 12 mei 2005 15:10, schreef Ken Schneider:
Just run "yast" from commandline and then choose Software -> Online update. You can also install and use apt
I HIGHLY recommend you do not use apt on a production machine as it is to easy to break something causing unwanted downtime.
What a nonsense (sorry). That is because on a production machine you would use the stable suse components (base, security and update) and not the 'on edge ones' or do you? As such you obtain the same (exactly the same) rpms as YOU!!
Ken: with your words; do not use YOU on a production machine as it is ..... etc
The chance to break the system is bigger indeed, when you start using other apt components, in this case you need to know what you're doing to prevent unwanted results.
I use apt on a production machines for a long time and no unwanted downtime yet.....
-- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Richard, Since the OP stated that he had VERY little experience using SuSE and linux I most certainly would not recommend he use anything other than YOU. It would be too tempting to install something that he was not familiar with. For someone with experience with SuSE there is no problem as they know what is and is not SuSE blessed packages and how to fix a problem caused by installing a "bleeding edge" program. Keep in mind that -by default- the apt sources file includes many other areas of packages that are experimental and that is why I don't recommend it to someone new to SuSE. Why do you repeat yourself about not using YOU as that is the best way to keep the machine closer to SuSE blessed packages. Until apt4rpm is included in the install it would be daunting for someone with little linux/SuSE experience to install it and edit the sources file to include only the (base, security and update) sections. I have and still use apt at times and think it is great but not for people without experience. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
Op donderdag 12 mei 2005 23:46, schreef Ken Schneider:
Since the OP stated that he had VERY little experience using SuSE and linux I most certainly would not recommend he use anything other than YOU. It would be too tempting to install something that he was not familiar with.
Agreed.
For someone with experience with SuSE there is no problem as they know what is and is not SuSE blessed packages and how to fix a problem caused by installing a "bleeding edge" program. Keep in mind that -by default- the apt sources file includes many other areas of packages that are experimental and that is why I don't recommend it to someone new to SuSE.
The default sources.list file that comes in the rpm contains: /etc/apt $ grep -v ^# sources.list rpm ftp://mirrors.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/ SuSE/9.3-i386 update security rpmkeys rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/ SuSE/9.3-i386 update security rpmkeys It refers to the suse once only, but the rpmkeys one but that are just administration packages.
Why do you repeat yourself about not using YOU as that is the best way to keep the machine closer to SuSE blessed packages.
I reacted on your statement, is that with apt it is easy to break things. I did not and never stated that 'not to use YOU'. Read my previous message back carefully. Neither do I write such things in other emails.
Until apt4rpm is included in the install it would be daunting for someone with little linux/SuSE experience to install it and edit the sources file to include only the (base, security and update) sections.
No need, see above. But heh I agree changing a the sources.list file with a ascii editor is difficult for a new comer.
I have and still use apt at times and think it is great but not for people without experience.
Agreed. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 16:44, Richard Bos wrote:
Op donderdag 12 mei 2005 15:10, schreef Ken Schneider:
Just run "yast" from commandline and then choose Software -> Online update. You can also install and use apt
I HIGHLY recommend you do not use apt on a production machine as it is to easy to break something causing unwanted downtime.
What a nonsense (sorry). That is because on a production machine you would use the stable suse components (base, security and update) and not the 'on edge ones' or do you? As such you obtain the same (exactly the same) rpms as YOU!!
Ken: with your words; do not use YOU on a production machine as it is ..... etc
The chance to break the system is bigger indeed, when you start using other apt components, in this case you need to know what you're doing to prevent unwanted results.
I use apt on a production machines for a long time and no unwanted downtime yet.....
Richard, if I may? So one possible solution would be for the OP to access the apt repository for 9.1 copy the directories that you mention above to a local machine. Then point his client(s) to that machine where the information resides. I assume that there might be some kind of restrictions in terms of letting the machines of of a LAN, and onto the net.
Op vrijdag 13 mei 2005 12:06, schreef Mike McMullin:
Richard, if I may? So one possible solution would be for the OP to access the apt repository for 9.1 copy the directories that you mention above to a local machine. Then point his client(s) to that machine where the information resides. I assume that there might be some kind of restrictions in terms of letting the machines of of a LAN, and onto the net.
That's possible, but not handy. You just miss the administration to easily keep the other clients up to date. I think that this howto (local YOU) http://susefaq.sourceforge.net/howto/you_local.html is a better pointer. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Thursday 12 May 2005 8:15 am, Padiyath Sreekumaran wrote:
Hello, Iam new to Linux as well as to this list. I have taken the responsibility of 2 Suse Linux machines. I see that Suse Linux V9.1 is installed on the machine. I have not done much with Linux. I see that Suse has given some security patches for some of the SW. These machines are production machines (one is 32bit and another 64bit) I would like to know the following:
1. How I can get and install the patches(any utlities like up2date etc. on Suse)
I will appreciate very much if I can get step by step procedure so that I can keep the the downtime very less. I can get a listing of the SW installed on the machine with rpm -qa command. But afterwards? If there is a kernel patch then I would like to know how I have to proceed with this.
Present kernel version 64 bit: 2.6.4-52-smp #1 SMP 32 bit: 2.6.5-7.111-bigsmp #1 SMP The Yast Online Update works in a similar manner as Red Hat's up2date. From either a serial console or a KDE/GNOME screen, run YaST, and select Online update. Or, from a KDE screen, there should be a green/red/orange chameleon head (Geeko) on the right. This is the SuSE Watcher, that turns red when updates are available.
Under standard conditions, when you run YOU, it tries to get a list of
mirrors from a server, then allows you to select your favorite mirror. You
then proceed and select the specific patches you want (or all). Once you
have installed all of the patches, YOU will exit. (It may prompt you when
you install a kernel patch). If you have a kernel patch, you should reboot
the system, but at your convenience.
There are more automatic ways to get the system to install patches, but
first become familiar with YaST. later on you can install apt4rpm and some
other tools.
--
Jerry Feldman
The Thursday 2005-05-12 at 14:15 +0200, Padiyath Sreekumaran wrote:
1. How I can get and install the patches(any utlities like up2date etc. on Suse)
Use YOU (Yast Online Update). Star Yast, select online update.
I will appreciate very much if I can get step by step procedure so that I can keep the the downtime very less. I can get a listing of
That's complicated, you are asking too much; too broad a question Read the manuals that come with the distro, the user and the admin books - paper or electronic versions. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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