RE: [SLE] All we need now is Quark, Illustrator and Photoshop to run in Linux (was: [SLE] 10.1 virgin /etc/ld.so.conf, please?)
-----Original Message----- From: Per Jessen [mailto:per@computer.org] Sent: June 8, 2006 7:20 AM
suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com wrote:
All we need now is Quark, Illustrator and Photoshop to run in Linux. (yea, the real photoshop & Ill)
I think at least Photoshop will run in Wine.
So what is it that Photoshop does that the GIMP can't do? Or, that it _can_ do, but less well or less conveniently? I'm asking because I've only ever skimmed the surface of either program, so I don't have enough experience with them to: a) know what's important in the way of capability or ease of doing certain tasks b) know what the relative strengths and weaknesses of the two might be. Kevin The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday, 08 June 2006 09:28, mlist@safenet-inc.com wrote:
So what is it that Photoshop does that the GIMP can't do? Or, that it _can_ do, but less well or less conveniently?
CMYK. Spot-color controls. Process-color controls. Prepress systems understand CMYK output only. They can be made to understand RGB, but they do it less well and less conveniently. Controls for bleeds, knock-outs, etc. There are others I am forgetting. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Sargon wrote:
On Thursday, 08 June 2006 09:28, mlist@safenet-inc.com wrote:
So what is it that Photoshop does that the GIMP can't do? Or, that it _can_ do, but less well or less conveniently?
CMYK. Spot-color controls. Process-color controls.
Prepress systems understand CMYK output only. They can be made to understand RGB, but they do it less well and less conveniently.
Controls for bleeds, knock-outs, etc.
There are others I am forgetting.
AFAIK, these things have little relevance to most of us. There is a CMYK plugin for Gimp. I've not used it, so cannot comment further. Photoshop is reckoned to be the tops, but for the price it darned well should be. For most of us non-commercial types, Gimp provides pretty well all that is needed. I use Gimp for all my image/photo processing, including handling RAW files and some fairly serious 'cooking' of astronomical images. No problems! WRT the thread title, Scribus is now reported to be developing into a competant alternative desktop publishing app. Ken Hough -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday, 08 June 2006 10:11, Ken Hough wrote:
AFAIK, these things have little relevance to most of us.
But to people who need these things, they are crucial, which is why the can't use GIMP.
There is a CMYK plugin for Gimp. I've not used it, so cannot comment further.
Doesn't work well for professionals. I have watched them try it. They gave up in frustration after a couple of hours of attempting to get what they needed. They went back to Photoshop.
WRT the thread title, Scribus is now reported to be developing into a competant alternative desktop publishing app.
Indeed. Several professional designers I work with like Scribus thus far. There were several features in it they thought were innovative ("Wow, I wish PageMaker/InDesign/QuarkXPress had this"). -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Sargon wrote:
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There is a CMYK plugin for Gimp. I've not used it, so cannot comment further.
Doesn't work well for professionals. I have watched them try it. They gave up in frustration after a couple of hours of attempting to get what they needed. They went back to Photoshop.
Commercial operations are often governed by rather entrenched/fixed ways of working. Most of us would need more than a couple of hours to become familier with a new app, especially one as complex as Gimp or Photoshop. Gimp is different and IMHO, better for it. Again I make the point that for most of us non-commercial types, Gimp is just fine. Ken Hough -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday 08 June 2006 10:43 am, Sargon wrote:
On Thursday, 08 June 2006 09:28, mlist@safenet-inc.com wrote:
So what is it that Photoshop does that the GIMP can't do? Or, that it _can_ do, but less well or less conveniently?
CMYK. Spot-color controls. Process-color controls.
Prepress systems understand CMYK output only. They can be made to understand RGB, but they do it less well and less conveniently.
Controls for bleeds, knock-outs, etc.
There are others I am forgetting.
Yep.........like 16-bit color depth. But, good jobe with the rest!! ;) Fred -- Paid purchaser of ALL SuSE Linux releases since 6.x -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
In a previous message, mlist@safenet-inc.com wrote:
So what is it that Photoshop does that the GIMP can't do? Or, that it _can_ do, but less well or less conveniently?
History tool. 'Nuff said :-) PS is also better for colour balance corrections, owing to its wider selection of tools and presets. But the GIMP is pretty darned good, provided you don't require CMYK or other (more advanced) colour spaces. And even PS can't cope with everything (won't even try to handle opaque inks or metal foils). John -- John Pettigrew http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/ http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/blog/
On Thursday 08 June 2006 13:29, John Pettigrew wrote:
In a previous message, mlist@safenet-inc.com wrote:
So what is it that Photoshop does that the GIMP can't do? Or, that it _can_ do, but less well or less conveniently?
History tool. 'Nuff said :-)
PS is also better for colour balance corrections, owing to its wider selection of tools and presets.
But the GIMP is pretty darned good, provided you don't require CMYK or other (more advanced) colour spaces. And even PS can't cope with everything (won't even try to handle opaque inks or metal foils).
John ========
What about Krita? It's looking pretty good and the interface may be more agreeable to those coming from PS. There have been a lot of complaints on that with the Gimp and I suspect the reason many of us shy away from it, plus the developer's resistance to features the program needs to effectively compete. Inkscape will take care of your structured art work and since Krita joined the KOffice programs, it's become a worthy bitmap art program. Scribus will take care of your DTP needs quite well. You'll find it to be only second to Adobe's own PDF creator function! ...and remember, have a lot of fun! Lee -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
mlist@safenet-inc.com wrote:
So what is it that Photoshop does that the GIMP can't do? Or, that it _can_ do, but less well or less conveniently?
Here's a survey of the reasons why people would prefer PS over Gimp: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT6362808891.html -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
mlist@safenet-inc.com wrote:
So what is it that Photoshop does that the GIMP can't do? Or, that it _can_ do, but less well or less conveniently?
Here's a survey of the reasons why people would prefer PS over Gimp:
Most of this discussion seems to make the case for Photoshop on the basis that: --It's the standard. That seems like a reason to stagnate. --Gimp has a different user interface from Photoshop. So what? IMHO it's better. -- Gimp only handles 8 bit colour. True! But I was under the impression that Photoshop can only manage 8 bit if layers are used. Ken Hough -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday 08 June 2006 20:36, Ken Hough wrote:
-- Gimp only handles 8 bit colour. True! But I was under the impression that Photoshop can only manage 8 bit if layers are used.
PS used to be limited in what you could do in 16 bit mode, but with CS (1 or 2) they made pretty much everything 16 bit capable IIRC. -- Steve Boddy -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 20:54 +0100, Stephen Boddy wrote:
On Thursday 08 June 2006 20:36, Ken Hough wrote:
-- Gimp only handles 8 bit colour. True! But I was under the impression that Photoshop can only manage 8 bit if layers are used.
PS used to be limited in what you could do in 16 bit mode, but with CS (1 or 2) they made pretty much everything 16 bit capable IIRC. -- Steve Boddy
If you need film-quality Gimp, what about Cinepaint? I often use it as preliminary work (titles, etc) before cinelerra. Tom -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Friday 09 June 2006 04:31, Tom Patton wrote:
If you need film-quality Gimp, what about Cinepaint? I often use it as preliminary work (titles, etc) before cinelerra.
Yeah, I've seen it. But CinePaint is based on an old (1.2 or 1.4 IIRC) Gimp code base. Because of it's lower profile, it develops at a much slower pace. For editing sequences of images (as in rotoscoping) it is supposed to be very good. However, for access to good tools with 16bit and multiple colour spaces (i.e. editiing CMYK, Lab, etc) the two most promising programs (not there yet) are Krita http://www.koffice.org/krita/ and Pixel http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12 -- Steve Boddy -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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