In article <200412261023.27372.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>, peter Nikolic wrote:

It has not disappeared it is just the web site to be polite about it is a load of used toilet paper in fact worse more like the richard the thirds themselfs .

Are you aware that most of the posts that you make here are virtually impossible to understand? Nik

Mike, On Sunday 26 December 2004 06:34, Michael W Cocke wrote:

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:04:24 +0100, you wrote:

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In article <200412261023.27372.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>,

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Are you aware that most of the posts that you make here are virtually impossible to understand?

Nik

Would you mind getting an email client that doesn't keep breaking threads?

Nik's post included the appropriate "threading" headers:

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In-Reply-To: <200412261023.27372.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> References: <200412261023.27372.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>

Mike-

Randall Schulz

On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 14:34, Michael W Cocke wrote:

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:04:24 +0100, you wrote:

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In article <200412261023.27372.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>,

peter Nikolic wrote:

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It has not disappeared it is just the web site to be polite about it is a load of used toilet paper in fact worse more like the richard the thirds themselfs .

Are you aware that most of the posts that you make here are virtually impossible to understand?

Nik

Would you mind getting an email client that doesn't keep breaking threads?

Mike-

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Peter, On Sunday 26 December 2004 13:05, peter Nikolic wrote:

On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 13:04, Nik wrote:

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In article <200412261023.27372.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>,

peter Nikolic wrote:

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It has not disappeared it is just the web site to be polite about it is a load of used toilet paper in fact worse more like the richard the thirds themselfs .

Are you aware that most of the posts that you make here are virtually impossible to understand?

Nik

I dont think so ..

or would you like it in words of one cylable ..

I don't know the things you have to do Errrrrrr yes i am english i passed several exams to say i can read write and speak the same so Ho Humm.

Well, to me your, diction, spelling, punctuation and fractured grammar combine to lend a unique air of perplexity to many of your posts. No offense, of course. As in all international fora, the standards we'd apply to professional communication are really not appropriate and often we must expend some extra effort to glean the writer's probable intention. And what's more, the phenomenon does not correlate well with English being a second language. Perhaps it's another of those afflictions of youth... RRS

* Randall R Schulz [12-26-04 16:20]:

And what's more, the phenomenon does not correlate well with English being a second language.

Very appropriate

Perhaps it's another of those afflictions of youth...

and very well put. I, for some time now, only see his postings when someone else quotes his ramblings and have seen no reason for the quoting. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

On Sunday 26 December 2004 09:15 pm, peter Nikolic wrote:

On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 21:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Randall R Schulz [12-26-04 16:20]:

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And what's more, the phenomenon does not correlate well with English being a second language.

Very appropriate

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Perhaps it's another of those afflictions of youth...

and very well put.

I, for some time now, only see his postings when someone else quotes his ramblings and have seen no reason for the quoting.

-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

take a hike sunny..

<PLONK>

-- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

Mon, 27 Dec 2004, by gorebofh@comcast.net:

On Sunday 26 December 2004 21:15, peter Nikolic wrote:

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-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

take a hike sunny..

Take a pill dumbass.

So much for ye ol' x-mass feeling.. The party's over folks, put your Santa beards back in the cardboards box and take out the asbestos underwear.

So does everyone see why some people call their penis a peter now?

You mean "Peter the Great"? It sounds Better than "Frodo" I guess ;-) Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 27N , 4 29 45E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: gurp@nedlinux.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + MSN: twe-msn@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl See headers for PGP/GPG info. +

On Monday 27 December 2004 10:00, Peter M. Groen wrote:

....... ...On the third day of XMas the Community gave to me... Nasty old ranting....

The 12 drugs of Christmas is way more funny than you are.

"Peter"

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Hi, On Sunday 26 December 2004 13:18, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Peter,

On Sunday 26 December 2004 13:05, peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 13:04, Nik wrote:

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Are you aware that most of the posts that you make here are virtually impossible to understand?

Nik

I dont think so ..

or would you like it in words of one cylable ..

I don't know the things you have to do Errrrrrr yes i am english i passed several exams to say i can read write and speak the same so Ho Humm.

Well, to me your, diction, spelling, punctuation and fractured grammar combine to lend a unique air of perplexity to many of your posts.

And, you see, my punctuation is off occasionally, too. That should have been: "Well, to me, your diction, spelling, punctuation and ..." RRS

P, On Sunday 26 December 2004 18:22, peter Nikolic wrote:

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just cus the rest of you aint got the bottle to be a one off instead of out of the common mould dont lay into me if you want to lay into someone then look at yourselfs .

and if you think thay by your rather childish attempts at belittling me you are going to drive me off the list GUESS WHAT THINK AGAIN i got skin a mile thick , now i am just warming up ..

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"Well, to me, your diction, spelling, punctuation and ..."

we dont all go running for the spell checker and we are not all affraid of making mistakes now and then..

Now you gunna lay off or do i get heavy ..the choice is yours folks..

I think there are pharmaceuticals that can help you. But please, do get heavy! I can hardly wait to see what that's all about! RRS

On Monday 27 Dec 2004 03:18, Fred A. Miller wrote:

On Sun December 26 2004 9:22 pm, peter Nikolic wrote:

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Now you gunna lay off or do i get heavy ..the choice is yours folks..

[PLONK]

Fred

-- "As Internet technology itself vaults into new areas, so too does the Microsoft monopoly and its tried-and-true bag of tricks." -US Senator Orrin Hatch, (R) Utah The Whole darn bunch of you are so childish it is really amazing to see ..how SUPPOSED full grown men get there underwear knotted so firmley around there windpipes just because someone does not go running for the sepll checker for every single word , And as for your so called diction well i personally could not give a stuff on wether or not you undwerstand ENGLISH .

So keep it up LADIES cus there aint not no men amongst you thats a certain fact all a bunch of high school nancies fannying around in your big butch football gear yeah big deal Ooohhhh i´m scared for shure . bunch of airy fairy mamby pamby faggots . you could not organize a pissup in a brewery if you were given a ten year collective training course -- Oh yes and one for you fred as well DONKEY/ Childs play thats what this is thats all unlike the jerk that broke into my car and stole the tools from the boot now he had better hope his mommy is still alive cus he is going to need here to feed ,water dress and look afteer him soon , You see it is really as simple as sticks and stones will break my bones but nemes will never hurt me except that with no hands there is no sticks no stones , Enjoy it has beenh a real hoot writing so far Oh and BTW SCREW the spell checker . Cheers folks Pete . Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

Terence, I fear the O-T police are about to swoop in... On Monday 27 December 2004 07:25, Terence McCarthy wrote:

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I really feel incapable of commenting on this non-sense, except to say "diction" is about pronunciation, not writing, ...

Wrong. "Diction" is about choice of words (note its similarity to "dictionary"). It is a common misnomer to equate it to enunciation. To wit (from the on-line Webster's Unabridged 1913 dictionary): "Diction \Dic"tion\, n. [L. dicto a saying, a word, fr. dicere, dictum, to say; akin to dicare to proclaim, and to E. teach, token: cf. F. diction. See Teach, and cf. Benison, Dedicate, Index, Judge, Preach, Vengeance.] Choice of words for the expression of ideas; the construction, disposition, and application of words in discourse, with regard to clearness, accuracy, variety, etc.; mode of expression; language; as, the diction of Chaucer's poems." WordNet's definition reflects the newer confused usage as well as the classic definition: "diction n 1: the articulation of speech regarded from the point of view of its intelligibility to the audience [syn: enunciation] 2: the manner in which something is expressed in words; "use concise military verbiage"- G.S.Patton [syn: wording, phrasing, phraseology, choice of words, verbiage]"

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Terence

Randall Schulz

On Mon, 2004-12-27 at 10:25, Terence McCarthy wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:18:21 +0000 peter Nikolic wrote:

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Now you gunna lay off or do i get heavy ..the choice is yours folks..

Actually, you are doing yourself no favours by demonstrating your standard of written English. You are not a heavy-weight, with the best will in the world.

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The Whole darn bunch of you are so childish it is really amazing to see ..how SUPPOSED full grown men get there underwear knotted so firmley around there windpipes just because someone does not go running for the sepll checker for every single word , And as for your so called diction well i personally could not give a stuff on wether or not you undwerstand ENGLISH .

I really feel incapable of commenting on this non-sense, except to say "diction" is about pronunciation , not writing, and I use a spelling checker because even my education and experience will not stop me making typing errors, or mis-spelling one of the quarter of a million words or so in English. I don't have a problem with accepting that I make errors, nor in wishing to improve. What's your problem?

Diction \Dic"tion\, n. [L. dicto a saying, a word, fr. dicere, dictum, to say; akin to dicare to proclaim, and to E. teach, token: cf. F. diction. See Teach, and cf. Benison, Dedicate, Index, Judge, Preach, Vengeance.] Choice of words for the expression of ideas; the construction, disposition, and application of words in discourse, with regard to clearness, accuracy, variety, etc.; mode of expression; language;

If the aim of education is to make one realise how little one really knows, I guess the educational system is worse than I thought (and I think it's pretty bad).

{snip}

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 02:22:15 +0000, peter Nikolic wrote:

Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11"

what scares me is that this guy is on the Ham bands! hope he lives on 2m - sounds like some Eastender CB user. fwiw chas ...

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:08:11 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:

G6NJR

eham says there have been 25 lookups for the following G6NJR Peter Nikolic 14 Clifford Road , Bearwood Smethwick , West Midlands , B67 5HJ England - U.K. it does not say what kind of license this person has the MSA? I have no idea, I will go over to QHT.com and see if there is an elist "reflector" for the UK and ask someone over there to look at this person's sig and to pick it apart, if possible. Anyway, by the address, he is obviously NOT an Eastender from Londinium. But England is getting so invaded by immigrants, much like the US for the last 15 yrs, that it is hard to say anything about a person's diction by his slang and other linguistic usage. enough chas ...

El Lun 27 Dic 2004 13:42, Mark Crean escribió:

chasm@texas.net wrote:

[snip]

I hope your post is withdrawn as soon as possible so that it does not form part of the archive.

I fully agree with your comment. Thank you for being the first to stand up to this nonsense. -- Andreas Philipp Noema Ltda. Bogotá, D.C. - Colombia

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:42:30 +0000 Mark Crean wrote:

If you don't mind my say so, publishing someone's name and address like this is an invasion of their privacy and way below the standards of this mailing list (as are your deeply unpleasant comments about immigrants). I note that you are careful not to identify yourself which suggests you are well aware that your post isn't a very good idea.

Mark, I note and agree with your initial point (although how this is different to us all being pointed to a web-site to see for ourselves is difficult to see), but your "in parenthesis" opinion is another question. This country has taken in/is taking in a very large number of immigrants, to the point where many of us (read me, if you want to, before you nit-pick) are very concerned. Nobody I know was ever asked if we wanted "a multi-cultural society" (and I'm talking back three generations)- we were told we had to like it. When reporting the obvious is not acceptable because of "Political Correctness" then "1984" isn't the future, it's now. Don't send anything over the 'net if you're not prepared to have it used (another aspect of "Big Brother") is the answer. Terence

Örn Einar Hansen wrote:

Þann Mánudagur 27 desember 2004 20:00 skrifaði Terence McCarthy:

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This country has taken in/is taking in a very large number of immigrants, to the point where many of us (read me, if you want to, before you nit-pick) are very concerned. Nobody I know was ever asked if we wanted "a multi-cultural society" (and I'm talking back three generations)- we were told we had to like it.

Heirðu, tjalla (means limey) ræfill ... what on earth makes you think we really give a damn about your opinions, that do not concern the aspect of Linux?

I'd suggest to take a walk and get some fresh air. I for one found Terence's remarks about the influx of immigrants in England most valuable. As for the 'aspect of Linux': sh: ~> steak limey Das Wort "limey" wurde nicht gefunden Kein Wort wurde mit dem Praefix "limey" gefunden. Ispell wird gestartet!!! Das Wort "limey" wurde auch nicht gefunden! SH

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:26:31 -0600, chasm@texas.net wrote:

eham says there have been 25 lookups for the following

FYI people, since most of you are ignorant of Amateur Radio... EVERY licensed HAM operator has this information available to the public and yes, I am PROUDLY NOT, politically correct. I have no need for people's comments about my opinions on how this country and other countries are being flooded with mostly illegal immigrants of one kind or another. As stated already, I hope that this is not an Orwellian society YET !! although the socialist liberals (supported by the CPUSA, et al) got almost half of this country's vote in the last election. and kiddos, Communism is not your friend!!! Nor is apathy and political correctness which is one of the keys to a take over of a democracy. Suggest you read Lenin's Manifesto. The UK is almost an Orwellian set up what with no rights to self protection, home invasion being rampant, television cameras on every street corner and high rise building, yada. iow, a nation of SUBJECTS. The USA is not yet a nation of subjugated people, that is why there is such an influx of Brits into the USA as it is safer to live here, better able to make a living, etc. But hell, same deal with France, lots of Brits are moving into France for the same reason. anyway, I have got a good twit to kill Peter's rants and this is the last one you will hear from me. I joined this list to learn about SuSE not to fight communist thought control. chas ...

El Lun 27 Dic 2004 16:50, chasm@texas.net escribió:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:26:31 -0600, chasm@texas.net wrote: EVERY licensed HAM operator has this information available to the public

That may be so. But still, you would do better to not publish private information on an email list. You probably wouldn't appreciate it if your info was being posted here, and it certainly must be publically available as well, if you are a licensed HAM operator.

and yes, I am PROUDLY NOT, politically correct. [snip]

I, for one, have not the least interest in your political credo. Please take this to the bar round your corner, but don't pollute this list with flamebaiting off-topic rants. -- Andreas Philipp Noema Ltda. Bogotá, D.C. - Colombia

On Mon, 2004-12-27 at 15:50 -0600, chasm@texas.net wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:26:31 -0600, chasm@texas.net wrote:

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eham says there have been 25 lookups for the following

FYI people, since most of you are ignorant of Amateur Radio...

EVERY licensed HAM operator has this information available to the public and yes, I am PROUDLY NOT, politically correct. I have no need for people's comments about my opinions on how this country and other countries are being flooded with mostly illegal immigrants of one kind or another. As stated already, I hope that this is not an Orwellian society YET !! although the socialist liberals (supported by the CPUSA, et al) got almost half of this country's vote in the last election. and kiddos, Communism is not your friend!!! Nor is apathy and political correctness which is one of the keys to a take over of a democracy. Suggest you read Lenin's Manifesto.

The UK is almost an Orwellian set up what with no rights to self protection, home invasion being rampant, television cameras on every street corner and high rise building, yada. iow, a nation of SUBJECTS.

The USA is not yet a nation of subjugated people, that is why there is such an influx of Brits into the USA as it is safer to live here, better able to make a living, etc. But hell, same deal with France, lots of Brits are moving into France for the same reason.

anyway, I have got a good twit to kill Peter's rants and this is the last one you will hear from me. I joined this list to learn about SuSE not to fight communist thought control.

chas

Chas, We have now have a list specifically devoted to off-topic postings like this: email suse-ot-subscribe@suse.com to subscribe Please keep this list for SuSE Linux discussion. Dee

On Tuesday 28 Dec 2004 01:07, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:55:23 -0900, W.D.McKinney wrote:

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EVERY licensed HAM operator has this information available to the public and yes, I am PROUDLY NOT, politically correct. I have no need for people's comments about my opinions on how this country and other countries are being flooded with mostly illegal immigrants of one kind or another. As stated already, I hope that this is not an Orwellian society YET !! although the socialist liberals (supported by the CPUSA, et al) got almost half of this country's vote in the last election. and kiddos, Communism is not your friend!!! Nor is apathy and political correctness which is one of the keys to a take over of a democracy. Suggest you read Lenin's Manifesto.

The UK is almost an Orwellian set up what with no rights to self protection, home invasion being rampant, television cameras on every street corner and high rise building, yada. iow, a nation of SUBJECTS.

The USA is not yet a nation of subjugated people, that is why there is such an influx of Brits into the USA as it is safer to live here, better able to make a living, etc. But hell, same deal with France, lots of Brits are moving into France for the same reason.

anyway, I have got a good twit to kill Peter's rants and this is the last one you will hear from me. I joined this list to learn about SuSE not to fight communist thought control.

chas

Chas,

We have now have a list specifically devoted to off-topic postings like this: email suse-ot-subscribe@suse.com to subscribe

Please keep this list for SuSE Linux discussion.

I agree with Dee. If you want to turn a discussion about HAM radios into a "I'm a good little Republican" conversation then take it to the OT.. at least we know that list has tons of shite posted to it and can ignore it.

-- "There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat Earth in order to defend religious faith."

Errrrrrrrrrrrr say whaaaa! just who has said anything at all about Ham radio i certainley did not , I dont know just who is playing somewhere but dont nail things on me i aint not said . This is getting stupid to say the least you nail someones ear back because they were talking total crap!!!. then the whole list decends on you accusing oyu of things you aint said well the buck stops with with someone esle thats a fact . are you all shure there aint a bunch of microSofties on the list cross posting to cause havoc , falme proof suit on flame thrower on pre-heat -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

On Tuesday 28 December 2004 09:29, Terence McCarthy wrote:

Just a simple question- Do you EVER read what you've typed, before you spew it onto the list?

Do you? Or is the mindless drivel above your way of apologizing you're an idiot? Peter did *nothing*, except show up and see a bunch of shit written about him out of the fucking blue, and here *you* come, dumb and with a retarded perma-grin, drooling on yourself and whining. STFU.

On Monday 27 Dec 2004 18:26, chasm@texas.net wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:08:11 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:

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G6NJR

eham says there have been 25 lookups for the following

G6NJR Peter Nikolic 14 Clifford Road , Bearwood Smethwick , West Midlands , B67 5HJ England - U.K.

it does not say what kind of license this person has the MSA? I have no idea, I will go over to QHT.com and see if there is an elist "reflector" for the UK and ask someone over there to look at this person's sig and to pick it apart, if possible. Anyway, by the address, he is obviously NOT an Eastender from Londinium.

But England is getting so invaded by immigrants, much like the US for the last 15 yrs, that it is hard to say anything about a person's diction by his slang and other linguistic usage.

enough chas

... Oh you ya sick little twerp

tell you what the address is light years out opf date pal and if you go there you will be in for a LARGE supprise to say the least he he he he i cant wait for the reports to start appearing on the list LOL Just to make shure folks the address this wanker has listed is completely wrong by some 5 years ..so his info is about as much use as a piec of used tiolet paper.. that i WILL insert into his face for him shortly once my rally commitmenys have backed off a little again . Have fun folks this joker aint got long to type .. Pete -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

On Monday 27 Dec 2004 18:26, chasm@texas.net wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:08:11 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:

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G6NJR

eham says there have been 25 lookups for the following

G6NJR Peter Nikolic 14 Clifford Road , Bearwood Smethwick , West Midlands , B67 5HJ England - U.K.

it does not say what kind of license this person has the MSA? I have no idea, I will go over to QHT.com and see if there is an elist "reflector" for the UK and ask someone over there to look at this person's sig and to pick it apart, if possible. Anyway, by the address, he is obviously NOT an Eastender from Londinium.

But England is getting so invaded by immigrants, much like the US for the last 15 yrs, that it is hard to say anything about a person's diction by his slang and other linguistic usage.

enough chas

... Oh and BTW the sig is totaly genuine i hold several radio licenses and BTW if you got HALF a brain you would know it is now an ¨A¨ license full access HF upwards so you aint very intelligent are you BOY.

And i can in all probability quite safley call you BOY or even CHILD .. Readem and weap Juvie.. Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

Tue, 28 Dec 2004, by mike@mikenjane.net:

On Tuesday 28 December 2004 15:20, peter Nikolic wrote: [..]

Just hit the bit bucket..

At least this tread seperates the grown-ups from the adolescents. My procmailrc is being amended more than ever since I use SuSE. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 27N , 4 29 45E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + MSN: twe-msn@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl See headers for PGP/GPG info. +

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:05:45 -0500, you wrote:

* Theo v. Werkhoven [12-28-04 11:08]:

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At least this tread seperates the grown-ups from the adolescents. My procmailrc is being amended more than ever since I use SuSE.

Although I use procmail extensively, it has become much easier to receive this forum via gmail and plonk particular posts/posters there and never have to dl them.

I just wrote a new filter for spamassassin. If you folks want to go haring off after a wild goose, go for it - but not here. Mike- -- If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs... You may have a great career as a network administrator ahead! -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,

On Tuesday 28 December 2004 06:15 pm, peter Nikolic wrote:

On Tuesday 28 Dec 2004 16:06, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:

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Tue, 28 Dec 2004, by mike@mikenjane.net:

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On Tuesday 28 December 2004 15:20, peter Nikolic wrote:

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Just hit the bit bucket..

At least this tread seperates the grown-ups from the adolescents. My procmailrc is being amended more than ever since I use SuSE.

Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 27N , 4 29 45E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + MSN: twe-msn@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl See headers for PGP/GPG info. +

OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh get you .. --

Meet the whole Nikolic family at: http://www.uk-nikolic.org.uk/ (google made me do it :-)

Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

On Tuesday 28 December 2004 09:20, peter Nikolic wrote:

Oh and BTW the sig is totaly genuine i hold several radio licenses and BTW if you got HALF a brain you would know it is now an ¨A¨ license full access HF upwards so you aint very intelligent are you BOY.

Who the HELL are you to call someone stupid?

And i can in all probability quite safley call you BOY or even CHILD ..

Readem and weap Juvie..

Pete .

Will you shut the fuck up? Damn it, I'm almost ready to pay for the plain ticket and sign the waver and kick your ass. -- ----------------------------------------------- http://www.misfits.com Punk Rock, Opiates, and SUSE Linux. das Blut in den Adern erstarren lassen. Kuerbis der Zuhaelter

On Tuesday 28 Dec 2004 19:09, Allen wrote:

On Tuesday 28 December 2004 09:20, peter Nikolic wrote:

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Oh and BTW the sig is totaly genuine i hold several radio licenses and BTW if you got HALF a brain you would know it is now an ¨A¨ license full access HF upwards so you aint very intelligent are you BOY.

Who the HELL are you to call someone stupid?

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And i can in all probability quite safley call you BOY or even CHILD ..

Readem and weap Juvie..

Pete .

Will you shut the fuck up? Damn it, I'm almost ready to pay for the plain ticket and sign the waver and kick your ass.

-- ----------------------------------------------- http://www.misfits.com Punk Rock, Opiates, and SUSE Linux. das Blut in den Adern erstarren lassen. Kuerbis der Zuhaelter

OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh get you .. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

Enough already -- "I see your Schwartz is as big as mine"                                   -Dark Helmet

Peter, On Sunday 26 December 2004 18:14, peter Nikolic wrote:

On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 21:18, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Well, to me your, diction, spelling, punctuation and fractured grammar combine to lend a unique air of perplexity to many of your posts.

No offense, of course. As in all international fora, the standards we'd apply to professional communication are really not appropriate and often we must expend some extra effort to glean the writer's probable intention. And what's more, the phenomenon does not correlate well with English being a second language. Perhaps it's another of those afflictions of youth...

RRS

Oh i see i get slacked off now cus i aint the run O the mill , well i aint an i aint for changin either pete is pete not tom dick or harry.

If you invent your own language, expect to communicate with very few others. Reusing words from an existing language in Humpty Dumpty style is no different. We won't grok you. You could, however, have a career as an author. I'm thinking Anthony Burgess and his novel, "Clockwork Orange." He's a countryman of yours, I believe.

Pete .

Randall Schulz

peter Nikolic wrote:

On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 08:15, Andrew Betts wrote:

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SUSE Linux Professional seems to have disappeared from the Novell site as a product. Does this mean support is going to disappear soon? Should I, as a desktop user, start using Novell Linux Desktop?

-- Andrew Betts

It has not disappeared it is just the web site to be polite about it is a load of used toilet paper in fact worse more like the richard the thirds themselfs .

Would you mind trying again, so that we can have some idea what you're talking about.

On Sunday 26 December 2004 10:23 am, peter Nikolic wrote:

On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 08:15, Andrew Betts wrote:

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SUSE Linux Professional seems to have disappeared from the Novell site as a product. Does this mean support is going to disappear soon? Should I, as a desktop user, start using Novell Linux Desktop?

It has not disappeared it is just the web site to be polite about it is a load of used toilet paper in fact worse more like the richard the thirds themselfs .

Somebody expresses a doubt about Novell's commitment to SuSE Linux, based with reason on the appearance of Novell's site. Pete provides some reassurance about SuSE, expressing himself in a non-literary[*] form of English [despite referring to Richard III], making reference to extrusions resulting from bodily function. Perceptions about the Novell site, however are quite justified. [*That's 'non literary', not 'illiterate'] Pete is not fully understood by whole list population with English as 2nd language and by half the population with a English as a first language, although anybody who did not fully understand it, surely understood that he did not think Novell's web presentation of SuSE was very good. 40 posts then follow, with escalating criticism to a flame war, several plonkings, a list registration of a flaming nym and a TOTALLY unwarranted web outing of a list member [who contributed to the escalation]. Loss: A previously good thread, demonstrating that people are not getting a good experience of the access to SuSE from www.novell.com. What a juvenile waste of bandwidth which makes Novell's 'enthusuiast' market sector look like a load of toothpaste squeezers who are well worthy of dropping from Novell's business plan. Think! Please?

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:37:35 -0500, James Knott wrote:

Andrew Betts wrote:

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SUSE Linux Professional seems to have disappeared from the Novell site as a product. Does this mean support is going to disappear soon? Should I, as a desktop user, start using Novell Linux Desktop?

You couldn't have looked very hard. On that page, there's an item "linux products and solutions". That takes you to a page with "SUSE LINUX products", which takes you to the SuSE Professional page.

I should have qualified myself. I'm aware it is on the site, somewhere. But it isn't on the Products page (http://www.novell.com/products) so I'm assuming it isn't something Novell are interested in pushing.

On Sunday 26 December 2004 04:53, Andrew Betts wrote:

I should have qualified myself. I'm aware it is on the site, somewhere. But it isn't on the Products page (http://www.novell.com/products) so I'm assuming it isn't something Novell are interested in pushing.

It is! -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."

Does anybody know if there will be a version 9.3 and, if so, when will it be available?

Let's see, It became available on 10/25/04 and depending on where you live? The first week of November. Traditionally, The release dates are; or have been 6 month intervals. Sometimes a tad bit sooner. We should see a new one in about April/May. The naming scheme will not be known to us Joe/Bo's until it's released or if some tester spills the beans on one of these many Linux sites.

I need to upgrade fairly soon from 9.0, but if a 9.3 (or 10.0) will be out soon, I'll wait.

If you want the newest kernel for device reasons or just bored. Go for it! You will not regret it. ;) P.S. I think everybody can quit picking on poor ole' Pete. I think he needs a break for a bit. JD

I just brought up the SuSE home page and "SUSE LINUX Professional" is prominently displayed right at the top of the page under "enthusiasts".

Yeah, I just noticed that too. Now, I like Novell, love the funding they're pouring into their SuSE & Ximian divisions (whoa, how on-message am I?), and how they seem to "get" Free Software all of a sudden (ahem), however, tagging SLP with 'enthusiasts' suggests two possible futures to me: 1) The Fedoraesque community release of SuSE that was being mooted back in October may actually happen (w00t!), in which case, consider me a nominee for GNOME maintainer. 2) It's much easier to drop enthusiasts than enterprise customers, SLP will be dropped as a product line altogether (possibly after one more release) and Novell will focus on NLD, in which case, I'm off to Ubuntu. -- James Ogley james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://rubberturnip.org.uk Currently playing: Radio Five Live

On Mon December 27 2004 10:50 am, Mark Crean wrote:

James Ogley wrote:

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I just brought up the SuSE home page and "SUSE LINUX Professional" is prominently displayed right at the top of the page under "enthusiasts".

Yeah, I just noticed that too.

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Interesting, I saw that contrast (Enthusiasts in left column and Enterprise in right column) and started to wonder whether Novell were really comfortable with a chunk of their customers ... anoraks, omg, geeks, er no ... let's call them enthusiasts! The same thing runs through their "cool" stuff section where tutes on how to use the GIMP jostle uneasily with business talk about selling Linux to your boss. Just my 2 cents, but I hope Novell do not decide to drop these "enthusiasts" or downgrade them to testing betaware. They are likely to be tomorrow's IT managers and opinion-formers. But anyway, it's just a website and perhaps it's all down to strange ideas introduced by the marketing department. Someone has to write the copy to stick on the screen. :)

And, I know many here who have over the years developed a well-earned dislike for marketing departments and lawyers. :) Fred -- "As Internet technology itself vaults into new areas, so too does the Microsoft monopoly and its tried-and-true bag of tricks." -US Senator Orrin Hatch, (R) Utah

On Mon December 27 2004 11:28 am, James Ogley wrote:

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I just brought up the SuSE home page and "SUSE LINUX Professional" is prominently displayed right at the top of the page under "enthusiasts".

Yeah, I just noticed that too.

Now, I like Novell, love the funding they're pouring into their SuSE & Ximian divisions (whoa, how on-message am I?), and how they seem to "get" Free Software all of a sudden (ahem), however, tagging SLP with 'enthusiasts' suggests two possible futures to me:

1) The Fedoraesque community release of SuSE that was being mooted back in October may actually happen (w00t!), in which case, consider me a nominee for GNOME maintainer. 2) It's much easier to drop enthusiasts than enterprise customers, SLP will be dropped as a product line altogether (possibly after one more release) and Novell will focus on NLD, in which case, I'm off to Ubuntu.

You WON'T be alone! Fred -- "As Internet technology itself vaults into new areas, so too does the Microsoft monopoly and its tried-and-true bag of tricks." -US Senator Orrin Hatch, (R) Utah