[SLE] How do I start Helix Gnome?

avi＠CFFtechnologies.com

3 Jun 2000 3 Jun '00

23:26

Hi, I downloaded and installed Helix Gnome on my SuSE 6.3 machine, but I have no clue how to start it. Any suggestions? Thanks, Avi -- Avi Schwartz Get a Life avi@CFFtechnologies.com Get Linux -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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muzh＠ihug.co.nz

4 Jun 4 Jun

01:19

Avi Schwartz wrote:

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Hi,

I downloaded and installed Helix Gnome on my SuSE 6.3 machine, but I have no clue how to start it. Any suggestions?

Thanks, Avi -- Avi Schwartz Get a Life avi@CFFtechnologies.com Get Linux

exec gnome-session (from the console) or add this line to the end of of your ~/.xinitrc (comment out any line like exec $WINDOWMANAGER or any other windowmanager) -- Never trust a man in a suit -- cll -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

yatsenng＠casema.net

14:05

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exec gnome-session (from the console)

or add this line to the end of of your ~/.xinitrc (comment out any line like exec $WINDOWMANAGER or any other windowmanager)

But you're supposed to run a wm with GNOME, right? So how would you do that? I don't have any experience with GNOME (I'm runnig ICEwm with some KDE apps) but I'd like to try it. -- Yatsen Ng yatsenng@casema.net It said "Needs Windows 98 or better." So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

tns01＠free.fr

16:00

Hello Yatsen, on Sunday, June 04, 2000 at 14:05:21 +0000, you sat in front of your keyboard and wrote:

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But you're supposed to run a wm with GNOME, right? So how would you do that? I don't have any experience with GNOME (I'm runnig ICEwm with some KDE apps) but I'd like to try it.

Actually, the window manager (and other things) is launched by the gnome session manager with a call to gnome-session and by default it launches IceWM at the first start. You can change this later with the gnome control center. -- Jean-François Bocquet === Error is not forever, hope for right+ |== ICQ: 69968770 ====================== Darkness is not the opposite of light| |== http://tns01.free.fr =========== -But only absence- day will follow night.| +-- Linux User #177410 ---------------------------------------------*-- Lowell+ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

yatsenng＠casema.net

5 Jun 5 Jun

00:59

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Actually, the window manager (and other things) is launched by the gnome session manager with a call to gnome-session and by default it launches IceWM at the first start. You can change this later with the gnome control center.

ICEwm, huh? That really surprises the hell out of me - I always thought that that Gnome goes hand in hand with Enlightenment! -- Yatsen Ng yatsenng@casema.net It said "Needs Windows 98 or better." So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

tns01＠free.fr

04:05

Hello Yatsen, on Monday, June 05, 2000 at 00:59:13 +0000, you sat in front of your keyboard and wrote:

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Actually, the window manager (and other things) is launched by the gnome session manager with a call to gnome-session and by default it launches IceWM at the first start. You can change this later with the gnome control center.

ICEwm, huh? That really surprises the hell out of me - I always thought that that Gnome goes hand in hand with Enlightenment!

-- Yatsen Ng yatsenng@casema.net

Well, Enlightenment is not specifically intended to be GNOME's default window manager but can indeed deals with GNOME's features. I answered by experience. The first time I ran GNOME, the only GNOME compliant window managers that I had were IceWM and Enlightenment and IceWM was used as a window manager. For the Helix GNOME distribution, I believe that it should be Sawfish. -- Jean-François Bocquet === Error is not forever, hope for right+ |== ICQ: 69968770 ====================== Darkness is not the opposite of light| |== http://tns01.free.fr =========== -But only absence- day will follow night.| +-- Linux User #177410 ---------------------------------------------*-- Lowell+ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

landie＠concentric.net

22:37

mmm i get command not found and the rpm for icemill appears installed no idea? RR On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, Jean-François Bocquet wrote: > Hello Yatsen, > on Monday, June 05, 2000 at 00:59:13 +0000, you sat in front of your keyboard and wrote: > > > Actually, the window manager (and other things) is launched by the gnome > > > session manager with a call to gnome-session and by default it launches > > > IceWM at the first start. You can change this later with the gnome control > > > center. > > > > ICEwm, huh? That really surprises the hell out of me - I always thought that > > that Gnome goes hand in hand with Enlightenment! > > > > -- >

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Yatsen Ng > > yatsenng@casema.net > > Well, Enlightenment is not specifically intended to be GNOME's default > window manager but can indeed deals with GNOME's features. > I answered by experience. The first time I ran GNOME, the only GNOME > compliant window managers that I had were IceWM and Enlightenment and > IceWM was used as a window manager. For the Helix GNOME distribution, > I believe that it should be Sawfish. > > -- > Jean-François Bocquet === Error is not forever, hope for right+ > |== ICQ: 69968770 ====================== Darkness is not the opposite of light| > |== http://tns01.free.fr =========== -But only absence- day will follow night.| > +-- Linux User #177410 ---------------------------------------------*-- Lowell+ > > -- > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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muzh＠ihug.co.nz

00:53

Yatsen Ng wrote:

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exec gnome-session (from the console)

or add this line to the end of of your ~/.xinitrc (comment out any line like exec $WINDOWMANAGER or any other windowmanager)

But you're supposed to run a wm with GNOME, right? So how would you do that? I don't have any experience with GNOME (I'm runnig ICEwm with some KDE apps) but I'd like to try it.

That's right. But if you don't define a window manager then Gnome runs with Sawfish (the default Gnome windowmanager). Try it -- it looks great! -- Never trust a man in a suit -- cll -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

landie＠concentric.net

01:03

i install via gnome helix and i dont know where the installatin went. after gdm login manager kde starts, from console i typed gdm and gnome login promts but kde starts again, i started fvwm and tried gnome-session and i get this error PLEASE HELP DYING TO SEE GNOME BACK AGAIN landy@linux:~ > cat gnome_session_error gnome-session /dev/dsp: no such device SESSION_MANAGER+=local/linux:/tmp/.ICE-unix/275 /dev/dsp: no such device /dev/dsp: no such device sawfish error in loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.2:cannon open shared object file: no such file or directory /dev/dsp : no such device ICE default IO error handler doing and exit<>, pid = 285 errno = 0 On Sun, 04 Jun 2000, muzh wrote:

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Yatsen Ng wrote:

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exec gnome-session (from the console)

or add this line to the end of of your ~/.xinitrc (comment out any line like exec $WINDOWMANAGER or any other windowmanager)

But you're supposed to run a wm with GNOME, right? So how would you do that? I don't have any experience with GNOME (I'm runnig ICEwm with some KDE apps) but I'd like to try it.

That's right. But if you don't define a window manager then Gnome runs with Sawfish (the default Gnome windowmanager). Try it -- it looks great!

-- Never trust a man in a suit -- cll

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pdbeal＠louisville.edu

01:18

On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 09:03:22PM -0400, Rolando Roman wrote:

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i install via gnome helix and i dont know where the installatin went. after gdm login manager kde starts, from console i typed gdm and gnome login promts but kde starts again, i started fvwm and tried gnome-session and i get this error PLEASE HELP DYING TO SEE GNOME BACK AGAIN

Try running a killall kdm before you try to start gdm....for example: root@host:~ > killall kdm root@host:~ > gdm

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landy@linux:~ > cat gnome_session_error gnome-session /dev/dsp: no such device SESSION_MANAGER+=local/linux:/tmp/.ICE-unix/275 /dev/dsp: no such device /dev/dsp: no such device sawfish error in loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.2:cannon open shared object file: no such file or directory /dev/dsp : no such device ICE default IO error handler doing and exit<>, pid = 285 errno = 0

On Sun, 04 Jun 2000, muzh wrote:

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Yatsen Ng wrote:

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exec gnome-session (from the console)

or add this line to the end of of your ~/.xinitrc (comment out any line like exec $WINDOWMANAGER or any other windowmanager)

But you're supposed to run a wm with GNOME, right? So how would you do that? I don't have any experience with GNOME (I'm runnig ICEwm with some KDE apps) but I'd like to try it.

That's right. But if you don't define a window manager then Gnome runs with Sawfish (the default Gnome windowmanager). Try it -- it looks great!

-- Never trust a man in a suit -- cll

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muzh＠ihug.co.nz

01:44

Rolando Roman wrote:

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i install via gnome helix and i dont know where the installatin went. after gdm login manager kde starts, from console i typed gdm and gnome login promts but kde starts again, i started fvwm and tried gnome-session and i get this error PLEASE HELP DYING TO SEE GNOME BACK AGAIN

My installation went into /opt/gnome. Try: 1) exec gnome-session as the last line of your ~/.xinitrc file 2) deleting the directory ~/.gnome (if it exists). (Don't worry -- it will be recreated) Funny -- my installation went without a hitch!! or maybe a slight one -- I had gnome running with windowmaker at first, something I could not change until I deleted the ~/.gnome directory. Never trust a man in a suit -- cll -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

tbutler＠uninetsolutions.com

22:10

Rando, I don't use GNOME, so I'm kinda useless here - by why not switch to KDM and KDE? The K Desktop Environment has the stability that comes with more mature code, the prettier interface that the Troll and KDE teams have done a great job on, more utilities (I think), major support from Corel, Mandrake, and SuSE, and it's the pick environment of Linus Torvalds. KDE 2.0 will also add a full fledged CORBA based office suite, Konqueror (a modern, powerful web browser), and more! "Unix ***is*** ready for the desktop" when used with KDE. -Tim "A KDE Fan since 1998" ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================

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-----Original Message----- From: Rolando Roman [mailto:landie@concentric.net] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:03 PM To: muzh; yatsenng@casema.net Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com; beta@helixcode.com Subject: Re: [SLE] How do I start Helix Gnome?

i install via gnome helix and i dont know where the installatin went. after gdm login manager kde starts, from console i typed gdm and gnome login promts but kde starts again, i started fvwm and tried gnome-session and i get this error PLEASE HELP DYING TO SEE GNOME BACK AGAIN

landy@linux:~ > cat gnome_session_error gnome-session /dev/dsp: no such device SESSION_MANAGER+=local/linux:/tmp/.ICE-unix/275 /dev/dsp: no such device /dev/dsp: no such device sawfish error in loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.2:cannon open shared object file: no such file or directory /dev/dsp : no such device ICE default IO error handler doing and exit<>, pid = 285 errno = 0

On Sun, 04 Jun 2000, muzh wrote:

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Yatsen Ng wrote:

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exec gnome-session (from the console)

or add this line to the end of of your ~/.xinitrc (comment out any line like exec $WINDOWMANAGER or any other windowmanager)

But you're supposed to run a wm with GNOME, right? So how

would you do that?

...
I don't have any experience with GNOME (I'm runnig ICEwm with some KDE apps) but I'd like to try it.

That's right. But if you don't define a window manager then Gnome runs with Sawfish (the default Gnome windowmanager). Try it -- it looks great!

-- Never trust a man in a suit -- cll

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rjwohlfar＠bigfoot.com

6 Jun 6 Jun

00:46

Make sure GIMP is installed. It sets up /usr/lib/libgmp.so.2.0.2. Also check /usr/lib/libgmp.so.2 and /usr/local/lib/libgmp.so.2 to make sure they point to an existing libgmp.so.2.0.2 file. -- Robert Wohlfarth rjwohlfar@bigfoot.com "My theory's right. Reality needs to be fixed."

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-----Original Message----- From: Rolando Roman [mailto:landie@concentric.net] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:03 PM To: muzh; yatsenng@casema.net Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com; beta@helixcode.com Subject: Re: [SLE] How do I start Helix Gnome?

i install via gnome helix and i dont know where the installatin went. after gdm login manager kde starts, from console i typed gdm and gnome login promts but kde starts again, i started fvwm and tried gnome-session and i get this error PLEASE HELP DYING TO SEE GNOME BACK AGAIN

landy@linux:~ > cat gnome_session_error gnome-session /dev/dsp: no such device SESSION_MANAGER+=local/linux:/tmp/.ICE-unix/275 /dev/dsp: no such device /dev/dsp: no such device sawfish error in loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.2:cannon open shared object file: no such file or directory /dev/dsp : no such device ICE default IO error handler doing and exit<>, pid = 285 errno = 0

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landie＠concentric.net

16:54

New subject: [SLE] How do I start Helix Gnome?i

i have gimp and not where does it point to that lib landy@linux:/usr/bin > ldd gimp libgtk-1.2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 (0x40019000) libgdk-1.2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-1.2.so.0 (0x40143000) libgmodule-1.2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgmodule-1.2.so.0 (0x40177000) libglib-1.2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0 (0x4017a000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4019d000) libXi.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x401a1000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x401aa000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x401b6000) libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40260000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4027d000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, rjwohlfar@bigfoot.com wrote: > Make sure GIMP is installed. It sets up /usr/lib/libgmp.so.2.0.2. Also > check /usr/lib/libgmp.so.2 and /usr/local/lib/libgmp.so.2 to make sure > they point to an existing libgmp.so.2.0.2 file. > > -- > Robert Wohlfarth rjwohlfar@bigfoot.com >

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"My theory's right. Reality needs to be fixed."

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-----Original Message----- From: Rolando Roman [mailto:landie@concentric.net] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:03 PM To: muzh; yatsenng@casema.net Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com; beta@helixcode.com Subject: Re: [SLE] How do I start Helix Gnome?

i install via gnome helix and i dont know where the installatin went. after gdm login manager kde starts, from console i typed gdm and gnome login promts but kde starts again, i started fvwm and tried gnome-session and i get this error PLEASE HELP DYING TO SEE GNOME BACK AGAIN

landy@linux:~ > cat gnome_session_error gnome-session /dev/dsp: no such device SESSION_MANAGER+=local/linux:/tmp/.ICE-unix/275 /dev/dsp: no such device /dev/dsp: no such device sawfish error in loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.2:cannon open shared object file: no such file or directory /dev/dsp : no such device ICE default IO error handler doing and exit<>, pid = 285 errno = 0

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avi＠CFFtechnologies.com

01:58

Few reasons: 1. I am running KDE on my Linux box for few years now and I wanted to see how does Gnome look like. 2. KDE is too Windowish for my taste. Now that I am trying Gnome, it seems to me like a much more modern environment then KDE. 3. The beauty of Linux is that you can run multiple graphical environments, so why not give it a try? 4. I like the thrill of trying something new... ;-) Avi "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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Rando, I don't use GNOME, so I'm kinda useless here - by why not switch to KDM and KDE? The K Desktop Environment has the stability that comes with more mature code, the prettier interface that the Troll and KDE teams have done a great job on, more utilities (I think), major support from Corel, Mandrake, and SuSE, and it's the pick environment of Linus Torvalds. KDE 2.0 will also add a full fledged CORBA based office suite, Konqueror (a modern, powerful web browser), and more!

"Unix ***is*** ready for the desktop" when used with KDE.

-Tim "A KDE Fan since 1998"

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tbutler＠uninetsolutions.com

05:00

Avi,

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1. I am running KDE on my Linux box for few years now and I wanted to see how does Gnome look like.

I did the same thing. I had actually read about GNOME in Byte Magazine before I had a copy of Linux, so it was the first thing I wanted to run. However, while trying to get GNOME to run, I ran into KDE a become a nearly instant fan.

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2. KDE is too Windowish for my taste. Now that I am trying Gnome, it seems to me like a much more modern environment then KDE.

KDE, not modern? Well, actually I'd say the same about Windows, it's interface seems modern to me - just not what's under the hood. KDE actually has some powerful stuff under the hood though - KDE's own OpenParts technology and CORBA provide powerful object brokering in KDE2 with many applications and plug-ins for the Konqueror (File manager, image viewer, Java/JavaScript-supportive web browser). And, hey, if you don't like the way it looks, check out kde.themes.org, where you can change it to your taste (especially in 2.0 where the widgets can be customized, IIRC)!

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3. The beauty of Linux is that you can run multiple graphical environments, so why not give it a try?

True. Especially great with the K Display Manager (replacement for XDM), which lets you choose your WM easily at each startup (remembering your last pick).

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4. I like the thrill of trying something new... ;-)

True again! Especially when it's free so you don't have the let down - "I just paid ninty bucks of this?" Best Regards, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================

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Avi

"Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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Rando, I don't use GNOME, so I'm kinda useless here - by why not

switch to KDM

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and KDE? The K Desktop Environment has the stability that comes with more mature code, the prettier interface that the Troll and KDE teams have done a great job on, more utilities (I think), major support from Corel, Mandrake, and SuSE, and it's the pick environment of Linus Torvalds. KDE 2.0 will also add a full fledged CORBA based office suite, Konqueror (a modern, powerful web browser), and more!

"Unix ***is*** ready for the desktop" when used with KDE.

-Tim "A KDE Fan since 1998"

----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================

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avi＠CFFtechnologies.com

05:18

According to the GNOME web site: GNOME is chock-full of cutting edge technologies. Network transparent component technology using CORBA, extensive use of XML, and one of the most advanced imaging models on any platform. Bottom line, as long as we have two competing desktops, we are all going to have mucho fun. BTW, I didn't not try KDE 2.0 since it is still in beta. When 2.0 will be go gold I will install it as well. Avi "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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Avi,

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1. I am running KDE on my Linux box for few years now and I wanted to see how does Gnome look like.

I did the same thing. I had actually read about GNOME in Byte Magazine before I had a copy of Linux, so it was the first thing I wanted to run. However, while trying to get GNOME to run, I ran into KDE a become a nearly instant fan.

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2. KDE is too Windowish for my taste. Now that I am trying Gnome, it seems to me like a much more modern environment then KDE.

KDE, not modern? Well, actually I'd say the same about Windows, it's interface seems modern to me - just not what's under the hood. KDE actually has some powerful stuff under the hood though - KDE's own OpenParts technology and CORBA provide powerful object brokering in KDE2 with many applications and plug-ins for the Konqueror (File manager, image viewer, Java/JavaScript-supportive web browser). And, hey, if you don't like the way it looks, check out kde.themes.org, where you can change it to your taste (especially in 2.0 where the widgets can be customized, IIRC)!

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3. The beauty of Linux is that you can run multiple graphical environments, so why not give it a try?

True. Especially great with the K Display Manager (replacement for XDM), which lets you choose your WM easily at each startup (remembering your last pick).

...
4. I like the thrill of trying something new... ;-)

True again! Especially when it's free so you don't have the let down - "I just paid ninty bucks of this?"

Best Regards, Tim

----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================

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Avi

"Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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Rando, I don't use GNOME, so I'm kinda useless here - by why not

switch to KDM

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and KDE? The K Desktop Environment has the stability that comes with more mature code, the prettier interface that the Troll and KDE teams have done a great job on, more utilities (I think), major support from Corel, Mandrake, and SuSE, and it's the pick environment of Linus Torvalds. KDE 2.0 will also add a full fledged CORBA based office suite, Konqueror (a modern, powerful web browser), and more!

"Unix ***is*** ready for the desktop" when used with KDE.

-Tim "A KDE Fan since 1998"

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donh＠halenet.com.au

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"Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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Rando, I don't use GNOME, so I'm kinda useless here - by why not switch to KDM and KDE? The K Desktop Environment has the stability that comes with more mature code, the prettier interface that the Troll and KDE teams have done a great job on, more utilities (I think), major support from Corel, Mandrake, and SuSE, and it's the pick environment of Linus Torvalds. KDE 2.0 will also add a full fledged CORBA based office suite, Konqueror (a modern, powerful web browser), and more!

"Unix ***is*** ready for the desktop" when used with KDE.

-Tim "A KDE Fan since 1998"

Sorry Tim, but I beg to differ :-) Personally I don't like KDE because it is so resource hungry. Also, it seems to bear a striking resemblence to something I'm trying to forget :-). A lot of the individual apps are really good, but I prefer E (nowadays, anyway.) I used to swear by WindowMaker until I tried the latest version of E. I haven't hadf the chance to look at Sawfish yet (other than some screen-shots) but it sounds like it might be worth the effort. -- Regards Don Hansford ECKYTECH COMPUTING Surfing the Net (without crashing) With SuSE 6.4 Linux (Thanx Linus!) "Microsoft democratised the computer market and served as a catalyst in making computers available to everybody. Later, however, they did as many revolutionaries do -- they became dictators. History has taught us the inevitable fate of dictators." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

ethant＠pacificnet.net

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On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Don Hansford wrote:

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A lot of the individual apps are really good, but I prefer E (nowadays, anyway.) I used to swear by WindowMaker until I tried the latest version of E. I haven't hadf the chance to look at Sawfish yet (other than some screen-shots) but it sounds like it might be worth the effort.

Why is everybody saying Sawfish? I thought it was Sawmill??? Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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14:54

On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 07:37:11AM -0700, Greg Thomas wrote:

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Why is everybody saying Sawfish? I thought it was Sawmill???

It used to me Sawmill, but they had to change the name for some reason. It's on their Web Site. Victor -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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"Victor R. Cardona" wrote:

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On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 07:37:11AM -0700, Greg Thomas wrote:

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Why is everybody saying Sawfish? I thought it was Sawmill???

It used to me Sawmill, but they had to change the name for some reason. It's on their Web Site.

Apparently someone else had registered the name Sawmill, so they had a comp to see who could come up with the best name. Sawfish won :-) -- Regards Don Hansford ECKYTECH COMPUTING Surfing the Net (without crashing) With SuSE 6.4 Linux (Thanx Linus!) "Microsoft democratised the computer market and served as a catalyst in making computers available to everybody. Later, however, they did as many revolutionaries do -- they became dictators. History has taught us the inevitable fate of dictators." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

yatsenng＠casema.net

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That's right. But if you don't define a window manager then Gnome runs with Sawfish (the default Gnome windowmanager). Try it -- it looks great!

Well, so does Enlightenment. However, I use ICEwm because it's fast, doesn't eat up a lot of RAm and it's easy to configure. How does Sawfish perform, is it as fast as ICE and Windowmaker? -- Yatsen Ng yatsenng@casema.net It said "Needs Windows 98 or better." So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

muzh＠ihug.co.nz

6 Jun 6 Jun

10:34

Yatsen Ng wrote:

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That's right. But if you don't define a window manager then Gnome runs with Sawfish (the default Gnome windowmanager). Try it -- it looks great!

Well, so does Enlightenment. However, I use ICEwm because it's fast, doesn't eat up a lot of RAm and it's easy to configure. How does Sawfish perform, is it as fast as ICE and Windowmaker?

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I find Sawish to be small, very fast and very configurable -- you can make it look like almost anything you like! I would say it is as fast as ICE. -- Never trust a man in a suit -- cll -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

jpennington＠atipa.com

15:12

On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 10:34:23PM +1200, muzh wrote:

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Yatsen Ng wrote:

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Well, so does Enlightenment. However, I use ICEwm because it's fast, doesn't eat up a lot of RAm and it's easy to configure. How does Sawfish perform, is it as fast as ICE and Windowmaker?

I find Sawish to be small, very fast and very configurable -- you can make it look like almost anything you like! I would say it is as fast as ICE.

IMNSHO, from slowest to fastest: Enlightement: Big, slow, but ultra-configurable. My nephew's wm of choice. Sawfish: Also ultra-configurable, but not as comprehensive as E. IceWM: Reasonably light, fully GNOME-Compliant. XFCE: Lightest of the pack, but still slower than Ice (?). WindowMaker: THE Fastest GNOME window manager; probably the best balance of speed and functionality anyway. My favorite GNOME wm. And for flavor: Blackbox: NOT GNOME-Compliant, but who cares? It's FAST! I just use the apps anyway ;). -- -=|JP|=- "Why, oh, why didn't I take the blue pill?" Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | http://www.atipa.com /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | 816-595-3000 x1550 _\_V 6D04 39E0 CAE9 9ADA 2CA3 2EBE 898A 6C37 CA1E A29C -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

yatsenng＠casema.net

12 Jun 12 Jun

01:48

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IMNSHO, from slowest to fastest:

Enlightement: Big, slow, but ultra-configurable. My nephew's wm of choice. Sawfish: Also ultra-configurable, but not as comprehensive as E. IceWM: Reasonably light, fully GNOME-Compliant. XFCE: Lightest of the pack, but still slower than Ice (?). WindowMaker: THE Fastest GNOME window manager; probably the best balance

If XFCE is slower than IceWM then you've got those windowmanagers in the wrong order, Jon! I tried WindowMaker a while ago and I really like the way it looks. IceWM doesn't hold a candle to it as far as looks go. However, I use IceWM because as far as using the keyboard goes there's not much guesswork involved. It's all very logical to me and that's nice because if it's possible I don't even want to touch the mouse. The layout is also very logical - everything is right there where it's supposed to be. On top of that it's also very stable (never froze up with me) and it's very fast. Yet, despite all that it's getting kind of boring!

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And for flavor:

Blackbox: NOT GNOME-Compliant, but who cares? It's FAST! I just use the apps anyway ;).

I don't kow what to make of this one. I did run it yesterday but it certainly wasn't love at first sight... -- Yatsen Ng yatsenng@casema.net It said "Needs Windows 98 or better." So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

jpennington＠atipa.com

15:50

On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:48:34AM +0000, Yatsen Ng wrote:

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IceWM: Reasonably light, fully GNOME-Compliant. XFCE: Lightest of the pack, but still slower than Ice (?).

If XFCE is slower than IceWM then you've got those windowmanagers in the wrong order, Jon!

Whoops. Sorry :}.

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Blackbox: NOT GNOME-Compliant, but who cares? It's FAST! I just use the apps anyway ;).

I don't kow what to make of this one. I did run it yesterday but it certainly wasn't love at first sight...

Here's a question for you; did you install 0.41 from the CD's, 0.51 (Stable at http://blackbox.alug.org/), or 0.60.3 (latest Beta)? The 0.6x series is lightyears ahead of 0.41 in terms of appearance, and I've been using 0.6x since it was initially announced nearly half a year ago. I'll put some screenshots up at http://members.linuxstart.com/~UberPenguin/ as soon as I get some time to take down the old site (it sucks ;). -- -=|JP|=- "Why, oh, why didn't I take the blue pill?" Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | http://www.atipa.com /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | 816-595-3000 x1550 _\_V 6D04 39E0 CAE9 9ADA 2CA3 2EBE 898A 6C37 CA1E A29C -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

yatsenng＠casema.net

13 Jun 13 Jun

00:29

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I don't kow what to make of this one. I did run it yesterday but it certainly wasn't love at first sight...

Here's a question for you; did you install 0.41 from the CD's, 0.51 (Stable at http://blackbox.alug.org/), or 0.60.3 (latest Beta)? The 0.6x series is lightyears ahead of 0.41 in terms of appearance, and I've been using 0.6x since it was initially announced nearly half a year ago.

I downloaded, compiled and installed 0.51. Everything went very smooth and I had it up and running in a matter of minutes. Looks are one thing - I have to like the way it functions too. And like I said, I like to use the keyboard and not the mouse. Can I accomplish things with keycombinations instead of the mouse? -- Yatsen Ng yatsenng@casema.net It said "Needs Windows 98 or better." So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

joshaugh＠uk.oracle.com

5 Jun 5 Jun

10:16

You need to run gnome-session which will kick off the window manager (by default Sawfish (comes with helix-gnome), but you can choose from within gnome) for you. I've kept the kde login manager and so I added the script: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Jun 1 09:06 /usr/X11R6/bin/gnome* Which is: #!/bin/sh exec gnome-session I then just have a 'gnome' entry in the kdm configuration (configured from within KDE). I've not tried the gdm login manager. Jamie On Sat, 3 Jun 2000, Avi Schwartz wrote:

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Hi,

I downloaded and installed Helix Gnome on my SuSE 6.3 machine, but I have no clue how to start it. Any suggestions?

Thanks, Avi

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