[opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
My experience with 10.2 has been just as full of update problems, and I haven't even done anything remotely weird with packman repos or anything. All I did was install from the DVD iso, pick most optional packages to install, then occasionally try to run updates. For the first several weeks, I got no updates and when I asked here was told "Oh, everyone knows that's a rotten repo, use one of these instead". So if its a rotten repo, why is it in yast's database of repos to pick from? I didn't choose it, all I did was let yast pick an update repo for me. After that I forced yast to pick a different one, and it actually came up with one of the ones folks suggested as a "good" repo, but now for several weeks, any attempt to click on the taskbar update icon and say "OK, Update" has been met with this nonsense: Unresolved dependencies: Updating python-2.5-19.x86_64[System packages] to python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Updating python-32bit-2.5-19.x86_64[System packages] to python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Establishing atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] There are no installable providers of libsqlite3.so.0 for python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Establishing atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] needed by patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] needed by patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] provides python-32bit == 2.5-19.2, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. There are no installable providers of python-32bit >= 2.5-19.2 for atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] zypper sl sez: # | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Name | URI --+---------+---------+------+-------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------- 1 | Yes | Yes | YaST | 20061219-202641 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ 2 | Yes | Yes | YUM | SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates | http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/update/10.2 3 | No | Yes | YaST | 20061213-191726 | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tom Horsley wrote:
My experience with 10.2 has been just as full of update problems, and I haven't even done anything remotely weird with packman repos or anything. All I did was install from the DVD iso, pick most optional packages to install, then occasionally try to run updates.
I have no more 10.2 install here not for any problem, but only because I have a perfectly satisfying 10.1 and don't want to touch it. But I _did_ install _and_ update a 10.2, so I can speak of. What I want to say is that a great many people use 10.2 already, on many kind of hardware and are perfectly happy with it. So when you have a problem, the point is not thinking "10.2 is broken", but "what the heck have my install that makes me crazy" and, beleive me, this can happen (I don't speak only for you but for all the readers :-) So when reporting, it's important to give as many relevant info as you can. practically,two kind of problems arise: software or hardware and they are not easy to know what is one or the other. Personnally, I had dramatic problems with my test system (crashes). Some weeks after of testing it appears that it was a faulty hard drive. Changing the drive solved the problem (but no test did show this, neither the hd maker's tests) On your mail, only one thing made me react: "pick most optional packages". What does this mean? did you first install the default distro, update it and then go on? or select all in yast and go on? usually going step by step prevents problems... sorry to be long, but I see very long threads going left or right but with little efficiency :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/11/2007 jdd wrote:
What I want to say is that a great many people use 10.2 already, on many kind of hardware and are perfectly happy with it. So when you have a problem, the point is not thinking "10.2 is broken", but "what the heck have my install that makes me crazy" and, beleive me, this can happen (I don't speak only for you but for all the readers :-)
Sorry to hijack a portion of this. I can't say I was "perfectly" happy with 10.2, but I was well on my way after the kernel update. About the only major complaint I had left was the mounting problems I had with Hal. But then I got blind sided with all this gnome garbage from left field. I was REALLY beginning to like 10.2. Even stood up for it on another forum when someone put it down. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:06:14 +0100 jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
did you first install the default distro, update it and then go on? or select all in yast and go on?
During the install, I clicked on a lot of things that weren't automatically selected to be installed, mainly because I wanted to play with as many things as possible. I left out stuff I knew I wouldn't need like a lot of the laptop and portable computing groups of packages, but basically clicked on all the other choices it gave me at install time, so I installed a lot more than the default, but not more than was on the DVD. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:06:14 +0100 jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
did you first install the default distro, update it and then go on? or select all in yast and go on?
During the install, I clicked on a lot of things that weren't automatically selected to be installed, mainly because I wanted to play with as many things as possible. I left out stuff I knew I wouldn't need like a lot of the laptop and portable computing groups of packages, but basically clicked on all the other choices it gave me at install time, so I installed a lot more than the default, but not more than was on the DVD.
well... I guessed that. I once tryed to install "all" (this was an official SuSE option, at that time :-). It went well, but was SuSE pre-selected. openSUSE choose to have a really great subset of all the available opensource products. This is really a lot, and many of these products are completely unable to work with other opensource products. So the only reasonable way (and I learned this the hard way, beleive me :-) is to begin softly... I go as far as installing only the minimal console install (on unknown or new computer), because I had too often graphical video problems. nowaday, installing kde (or gnome, by the way), default install, is the only way to know if all on the computer installs well. Only after that (and after upgrading this), and if you are to use your install for a long time, you can _uninstall_ part of unusefull stuff. To _add_ things, one must be really carefull, install them one after the other... and it's for that that the slowness (very ancient) of yast software install is a pain :-( so when dependency problem come, one can solve them. So, go back to the install, (new install) and do like I said, you will be glad of it. jdd (probably 200 installs or more in ten years :-) -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tom Horsley wrote:
My experience with 10.2 has been just as full of update problems, and I haven't even done anything remotely weird with packman repos or anything. All I did was install from the DVD iso, pick most optional packages to install, then occasionally try to run updates.
For the first several weeks, I got no updates and when I asked here was told "Oh, everyone knows that's a rotten repo, use one of these instead". So if its a rotten repo, why is it in yast's database of repos to pick from? I didn't choose it, all I did was let yast pick an update repo for me.
After that I forced yast to pick a different one, and it actually came up with one of the ones folks suggested as a "good" repo, but now for several weeks, any attempt to click on the taskbar update icon and say "OK, Update" has been met with this nonsense:
Unresolved dependencies: Updating python-2.5-19.x86_64[System packages] to python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Updating python-32bit-2.5-19.x86_64[System packages] to python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Establishing atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] of libsqlite3.so.0 for python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Establishing atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] needed by patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] needed by patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] provides python-32bit == 2.5-19.2, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. There are no installable providers of python-32bit >= 2.5-19.2 for atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates]
zypper sl sez:
# | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Name | URI --+---------+---------+------+-------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------- 1 | Yes | Yes | YaST | 20061219-202641 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ 2 | Yes | Yes | YUM | SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates | http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/update/10.2 3 | No | Yes | YaST | 20061213-191726 | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
AND it told you there was an update just before it comes up with this:
There are no installable providers ..............
Just pure BS. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:32, Tom Horsley wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/update/10.2 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
Tom, can you setup both repositories for oss and non-oss to be picked up from the same server. The way you did can produce from time to time problems as non-oss can be be picked up from slow, not up to date, server. Which openSUSE is looking how to solve. Second, install and use opensuseupdater configured to use default instead of zmd, that way you can stop zmd in all runlevels and live happly, as most of us do. The zen-updater is picking up every new package that shows up in any repository, it works only with zmd and prevents you to setup other repositories, unless you like to be bugged with updates that you don't want to see. Simply, zen-updater is still not configurable as it should be, ie. it is not mature product as YaST and YOU. Apropos the error, I think that you should use YOU (YaST Online Update) first, that will update z-related packages, and than the rest. Than you should not see the error. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:18:55 -0600 "Rajko M." <rmatov101@charter.net> wrote:
Apropos the error, I think that you should use YOU (YaST Online Update) first, that will update z-related packages, and than the rest. Than you should not see the error.
Actually, I did try to update in yast instead of using the desktop applet, and got very much the same errors about python problems. I had hoped that if it was just different servers being synced at different times, that they would eventually get back in sync, but this python problem has persisted for weeks. Next time I have 10.2 booted, I'll try making all the repos point to the same mirror and see if that helps, but one of the things I wanted to do with 10.2 was observe its default behavior "out of the box" using the defaults it sets up - from that standpoint it is definitely a nightmare (even if it is fixable with a big enough hammer :-). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tom Horsley wrote:
I wanted to do with 10.2 was observe its default behavior "out of the box" using the defaults it sets up - from that standpoint it is definitely a nightmare (even if it is fixable with a big enough hammer :-).
but you didn't use the default install.. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2/11/07, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Tom Horsley wrote:
I wanted to do with 10.2 was observe its default behavior "out of the box" using the defaults it sets up - from that standpoint it is definitely a nightmare (even if it is fixable with a big enough hammer :-). I have opensuse 10.2 running on 7 machines in my local network, and have installed it on probably 10 different users machines in the last 2 months.
In my local network I have plethora of equipment, 2 IBM thinkpads (a21m and t23), Dell Inspiron 9400 E1705, 4 custom built servers that have a mix of nics, video card (ati and nvidia), soundcards, 1 pvr 500 mce, streamzap usb remote, and so on. And I have not had the kind of problems that OP has talked about having. This one has been rock solid on every install except the Dell Inspiron, I had to use ndiswrapper to get the onboard broadcom 4311 pcie wireless card to work (works well enough) and I had a minor problem getting the intel 945 to drive the monitor at 1440x900 default. Oh, one other minor problem, I originally installed the x86_64 on my AMD 64 and had a problem with firefox and plugins (none available for the 64 bit versions) and I fault the software makers for that. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Pierce kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika sunnuntai, 11. helmikuuta 2007 23:59):
I had a minor problem getting the intel 945 to drive the monitor at 1440x900 default.
I too have a problem with frequencies on SIS card and 1440x900 monitor. What was your problem? -Teemu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I too have a problem with frequencies on SIS card and 1440x900 monitor. What was your problem?
Turns out I needed to put the following command into /etc/init.d/boot.local 915resolution 5c 1440 900 32 However, this is to correct a problem with the intel 945 chipset, I do not know if it would have any effect on an sis card. I found this solution with sever nights of googling. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Pierce wrote:
I too have a problem with frequencies on SIS card and 1440x900 monitor. What was your problem?
Turns out I needed to put the following command into /etc/init.d/boot.local
915resolution 5c 1440 900 32
However, this is to correct a problem with the intel 945 chipset, I do not know if it would have any effect on an sis card. I found this solution with sever nights of googling.
Why not just change change line 18 of /etc/sysconfig/videobios to read: VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS="5c 1440 900" Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2/11/07, J Sloan <joe@tmsusa.com> wrote:
John Pierce wrote:
I too have a problem with frequencies on SIS card and 1440x900 monitor. What was your problem?
Turns out I needed to put the following command into /etc/init.d/boot.local
915resolution 5c 1440 900 32
However, this is to correct a problem with the intel 945 chipset, I do not know if it would have any effect on an sis card. I found this solution with sever nights of googling.
Why not just change change line 18 of /etc/sysconfig/videobios to read:
VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS="5c 1440 900"
Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, Joe that sounds like a winner. After all of the googling I only found the 915 thing that I posted about. I found that result and gave it a try and it worked for me, I had know Idea about the VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS= setting. I have been using linux since about 1998 with an early red disto that I downloaded and installed from rpms. I have learned quite a lot about linux since then and am willing to try anything. To me the best move I have ever made was ditching windows. I have converted my wife and sons and they hate to even use windows at work and school. I am not a guru, but I consider myself to be a power user at least, so I am always open to learning. Thanks -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Pierce wrote:
On 2/11/07, J Sloan <joe@tmsusa.com> wrote:
Why not just change change line 18 of /etc/sysconfig/videobios to read:
VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS="5c 1440 900"
Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, Joe that sounds like a winner. After all of the googling I only found the 915 thing that I posted about.
I found that result and gave it a try and it worked for me, I had know Idea about the VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS= setting. I have been using linux since about 1998 with an early red disto that I downloaded and installed from rpms. I have learned quite a lot about linux since then and am willing to try anything. To me the best move I have ever made was ditching windows. I have converted my wife and sons and they hate to even use windows at work and school.
Wow that's cool - I've been running linux for some years too, and find that I have to keep learning, as it is constantly being refined and updated. I tried to raise my kids right, and today all the guys in this house run linux, and all the girls use macs, so it's an all-unix house, and virus free! Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2/11/07, J Sloan <joe@tmsusa.com> wrote:
John Pierce wrote:
On 2/11/07, J Sloan <joe@tmsusa.com> wrote:
Why not just change change line 18 of /etc/sysconfig/videobios to read:
VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS="5c 1440 900"
Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, Joe that sounds like a winner. After all of the googling I only found the 915 thing that I posted about.
I found that result and gave it a try and it worked for me, I had know Idea about the VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS= setting. I have been using linux since about 1998 with an early red disto that I downloaded and installed from rpms. I have learned quite a lot about linux since then and am willing to try anything. To me the best move I have ever made was ditching windows. I have converted my wife and sons and they hate to even use windows at work and school.
Wow that's cool - I've been running linux for some years too, and find that I have to keep learning, as it is constantly being refined and updated.
I tried to raise my kids right, and today all the guys in this house run linux, and all the girls use macs, so it's an all-unix house, and virus free!
Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, in my small community in central kentucky I have converted at least 20 windows users to linux users in the last 2 years. I am trying to get a lug started here and I think we are getting close to being a reality now. I have had a couple of meetings now with the superintendent of our school system and I think we might get to experiment with a small class at the middle school, maybe get them to use openoffice and a few linux terminals. We have been looking at the k12ltsp software. I don't think ms needs to be out of business, but if they lose enough business maybe they will mend their ways and start making quality software. I know you will probably say I am dreaming and I probably am. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 February 2007 21:43, John Pierce wrote: ...
I don't think ms needs to be out of business, but if they lose enough business maybe they will mend their ways and start making quality software. I know you will probably say I am dreaming and I probably am.
You are not dreaming. Look at IE7 that mimics some Thunderbird features. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Pierce wrote:
On 2/11/07, J Sloan <joe@tmsusa.com> wrote:
Why not just change change line 18 of /etc/sysconfig/videobios to read:
VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS="5c 1440 900"
Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, Joe that sounds like a winner. After all of the googling I only found the 915 thing that I posted about.
I found that result and gave it a try and it worked for me, I had know Idea about the VIDEOBIOS_PARAMETERS= setting. I have been using linux since about 1998 with an early red disto that I downloaded and installed from rpms. I have learned quite a lot about linux since then and am willing to try anything. To me the best move I have ever made was ditching windows. I have converted my wife and sons and they hate to even use windows at work and school.
Wow that's cool - I've been running linux for some years too, and find that I have to keep learning, as it is constantly being refined and updated.
I tried to raise my kids right, and today all the guys in this house run linux, and all the girls use macs, so it's an all-unix house, and virus free! Do you have a reason not to have the girls Linux literate as well? My
On Sun February 11 2007 10:27 pm, J Sloan scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: main grief w/ Mac is it's determination to sell both proprietary software and hardware. Talk abut a lock in, whiew! It's like console game companies, w/ the exception that game makers actually want lots of private companies to make games for their systems. Something that MS seems only to like if it's kids making programs that are free, or mainly free. -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
On Sun February 11 2007 10:27 pm, J Sloan scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
I tried to raise my kids right, and today all the guys in this house run linux, and all the girls use macs, so it's an all-unix house, and virus free!
Do you have a reason not to have the girls Linux literate as well? My main grief w/ Mac is it's determination to sell both proprietary software and hardware. Talk abut a lock in, whiew!
It's like console game companies, w/ the exception that game makers actually want lots of private companies to make games for their systems. Something that MS seems only to like if it's kids making programs that are free, or mainly free.
My girls are linux literate, and know their way around kde, the gimp, and some command line stuff, but tended to migrate towards macs, for the specific apps and commercial support. They both have macbooks. I'm much happier seeing them on OSX than windoze. My son and I both use linux all day every day - so overall it's a win IMHO. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 12 February 2007 15:38, J Sloan wrote:
They both have macbooks. I'm much happier seeing them on OSX than windoze. Absolutely... and since MacOSX is essentially FreeBSD under-the-covers.
... and there is plenty of open-software for OSX... and because its *nix it runs virus free, and stable. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 February 2007 14:59, Tom Horsley wrote: ...
Next time I have 10.2 booted, I'll try making all the repos point to the same mirror and see if that helps, but one of the things I wanted to do with 10.2 was observe its default behavior "out of the box" using the defaults it sets up - from that standpoint it is definitely a nightmare (even if it is fixable with a big enough hammer :-).
That was what I do to avoid false alarms just because one of mirrors is not maintained. Specially I would avoid using downloads.opensuse.org redirector for two different repositories that are not really independent due to package dependencies, like oss and non-oss. SUSE splitted packages for legal reasons, which brings the question how much extra effort and expenses are introduced due to Intellectual Property management. And, one of your problems is, as others stated, doubled sources for repositories, which produces only more administration overhead, and the other, and bigger, is the Factory repository. Others gave you enough ideas how to organize installation sources, like minimize number of repositories, don't use factory if you don't know how to get out of problems with binaries that are actually pre-alpha. For the kernel, I guess it was USB problem on AMD 64 x 2, or any other single package you can use Konqueror, right click, select Action and Install with YaST, and other ways that others already mentioned. I don't keep other repositories in YaST, but in Konqueror bookmarks. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:32, Tom Horsley wrote:
My experience with 10.2 has been just as full of update problems, and I haven't even done anything remotely weird with packman repos or anything. All I did was install from the DVD iso, pick most optional packages to install, then occasionally try to run updates.
I'd like to see concerted attention and effort applied to creating a working package system for opensuse. This is so fundamental, I can't understand why it is taking so long to solve. Are all the developers preoccupied with compiz and beagle and new menu styles? In its present condition, opensuse is unusable in my opinion. Bryan -- ************************************** Powered by Mandriva Linux 2007 KDE 3.5.4 KMail 1.9.4 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 February 2007 18:16, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:32, Tom Horsley wrote:
My experience with 10.2 has been just as full of update problems, and I haven't even done anything remotely weird with packman repos or anything. All I did was install from the DVD iso, pick most optional packages to install, then occasionally try to run updates.
I'd like to see concerted attention and effort applied to creating a working package system for opensuse. This is so fundamental, I can't understand why it is taking so long to solve. Are all the developers preoccupied with compiz and beagle and new menu styles? In its present condition, opensuse is unusable in my opinion.
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Bryan, the rest of the thread make clear that inexperience played a role in the problems. Tom made some mistakes that he didn't know about, like including Factory repository that is pre-alpha, to install one package, but then you get all in that repository in your Software Management, and from there it is easy to make another mistake and update application to some pre-alpha code. BTW, giving opinion about openSUSE as Mandriva user is IMHO somewhat displaced on this list. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
the rest of the thread make clear that inexperience played a role in the problems.
there is lessons on all the problems. may be YaST should better look at the installed repositories to avoid duplicates and inconsistency (or at least give strong warnings). jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:37:39AM +0100, jdd wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
the rest of the thread make clear that inexperience played a role in the problems.
there is lessons on all the problems. may be YaST should better look at the installed repositories to avoid duplicates and inconsistency (or at least give strong warnings).
Adding the Factory Repo gives this BETA Disclaimer Warning Screen: openSUSE FACTORY 10.3-factory Attention! You are accessing our BETA Distribution. If you install any package, note that we can NOT GIVE ANY SUPPORT for your system - no matter if you update from a previous system or do a complete new installation. Use this BETA distribution at your own risk! We recommend it for testing, porting and evaluation purposes but not for any critical production systems. If you are curious and would like to help us to find the bugs, you're very welcome. Please enter bug reports following the instructions given at http://bugs.opensuse.org . If you want to talk about this distribution with others, you can discuss on the mailing list opensuse-factory@opensuse.org. Sources for development releases are not distributed via mirrors to reduce the bandwidth and storage on these mirrors. You can always find the latest source at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/ In case you need the exact source of this development release you can find it on: http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/source_code.html Alternatively, see http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/source_code.html or send e-mail to sourcedvd@suse.de to request the source for a specific release of openSUSE on DVD. Please note that we will charge $15 or 15 Euros to cover our costs of distribution. Use this distribution at your own risk - and remember to have a lot of fun! :) Your openSUSE Team. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/12/2007 Marcus Meissner wrote:
Adding the Factory Repo gives this BETA Disclaimer Warning Screen:
openSUSE FACTORY 10.3-factory
Attention! You are accessing our BETA Distribution. If you install any package, note that we can NOT GIVE ANY SUPPORT for your system - no matter if you update from a previous system or do a complete new installation.
Use this BETA distribution at your own risk! We recommend it for testing, porting and evaluation purposes but not for any critical production systems.
If you are curious and would like to help us to find the bugs, you're very welcome. Please enter bug reports following the instructions given at http://bugs.opensuse.org . If you want to talk about this distribution with others, you can discuss on the mailing list opensuse-factory@opensuse.org.
Sources for development releases are not distributed via mirrors to reduce the bandwidth and storage on these mirrors.
You can always find the latest source at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/
In case you need the exact source of this development release you can find it on: http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/source_code.html
Alternatively, see http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/source_code.html or send e-mail to sourcedvd@suse.de to request the source for a specific release of openSUSE on DVD. Please note that we will charge $15 or 15 Euros to cover our costs of distribution.
Use this distribution at your own risk - and remember to have a lot of fun! :)
Your openSUSE Team.
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Dňa Po 12. Február 2007 09:37 jdd napísal:
Rajko M. wrote:
the rest of the thread make clear that inexperience played a role in the problems.
there is lessons on all the problems. may be YaST should better look at the installed repositories to avoid duplicates and inconsistency (or at least give strong warnings).
What are you expectations here? Stano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
Dňa Po 12. Február 2007 09:37 jdd napísal:
the rest of the thread make clear that inexperience played a role in the problems.
Rajko M. wrote: there is lessons on all the problems. may be YaST should better look at the installed repositories to avoid duplicates and inconsistency (or at least give strong warnings).
What are you expectations here?
two different things: one yast shouldn't accept (without warning) two duplicate source (two sources of the same index? or same final name?) as they may be not in sync. in other worlds, there should not be two theorically indentical mirrors in the list second the update directory is directly related to one source directory and should be bind to him, why not setup in one movement (adding source add also update), at least for the official repository jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Le manuel d'optique de Lucien Dodin http://lesprismes.free.fr/optique/index.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dňa Ut 13. Február 2007 17:22 jdd napísal:
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
Dňa Po 12. Február 2007 09:37 jdd napísal:
Rajko M. wrote:
the rest of the thread make clear that inexperience played a role in the problems.
there is lessons on all the problems. may be YaST should better look at the installed repositories to avoid duplicates and inconsistency (or at least give strong warnings).
What are you expectations here?
two different things:
one
yast shouldn't accept (without warning) two duplicate source (two sources of the same index? or same final name?) as they may be not in sync.
in other worlds, there should not be two theorically indentical mirrors in the list
That would assume there is a detection that the repos are in fact the same. I don't think this is realistic - this would mean a globally unique identification of a repository. A checksum might work out, or not. Also, I believe you want this to apply for online repos only, correct?
second
the update directory is directly related to one source directory and should be bind to him, why not setup in one movement (adding source add also update), at least for the official repository
I think it is more that an update repository is bound to a product installed. Stano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
That would assume there is a detection that the repos are in fact the same.
given they are said to be mirrors, this could be acheived :-) - usually the folder name is the same (SUSE/10.2/, for example - the other part varies)
I don't think this is realistic - this would mean a globally unique identification of a repository. A checksum might work out, or not.
no, the problem arise when the two mirrors are not in sync, so the checksum is to be different but should not :-(
Also, I believe you want this to apply for online repos only, correct?
of course
second
the update directory is directly related to one source directory and should be bind to him, why not setup in one movement (adding source add also update), at least for the official repository
I think it is more that an update repository is bound to a product installed.
still the mirror problem. one user can have the master (suse/10.2/) on a server and the suse/update/10.2 on an other server, possibly with not synced contents but, thinking, may be all this could be avoided using only download.opensuse.org as a souce. I know this is not always the better choice nowaday, but it could be (?) easier to fix download.opensuse.org than any other mirror. could it be possible to have a way to add mirrors on doo _only_ when they have synced? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Le manuel d'optique de Lucien Dodin http://lesprismes.free.fr/optique/index.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:33 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
BTW, giving opinion about openSUSE as Mandriva user is IMHO somewhat displaced on this list.
Mandriva, Mepis, Kubuntu, and Fedora, to name a few that I am personally using right now, have a usable, effective package management system. By usable and effective I mean it does not require the user to wait 60 minutes every time one wishes to add a package. I used Suse from 6.0 through 9.2. I used to call Suse "the Cadillac of Linux distros." For all those years, package management was great. What happened? I am involuntarily a non-OpenSuse user until it has a decent package system. Bryan -- *************************************** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net *************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bryan Tyson wrote:
usable and effective I mean it does not require the user to wait 60 minutes every time one wishes to add a package.
I never waited 60 minutes to install a package (the last one came even quite instantly to my great surprise :-). It's long, a little longer than Mandriva, but not so much, and much more secure than debian.
I used Suse from 6.0 through 9.2. I used to call Suse "the Cadillac of Linux distros." For all those years, package management was great.
don't know what hardware you where on. For my (ten years) SuSE experience, package management was always slow (I remember SuSEConfig running for very long :-() jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Le manuel d'optique de Lucien Dodin http://lesprismes.free.fr/optique/index.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 12 February 2007 12:09, jdd wrote:
Bryan Tyson wrote:
usable and effective I mean it does not require the user to wait 60 minutes every time one wishes to add a package.
I never waited 60 minutes to install a package (the last one came even quite instantly to my great surprise :-).
It's long, a little longer than Mandriva, but not so much, and much more secure than debian.
Just out of curiosity - why would SUSE be more secure than Debian? Aren't they both at the same level of security being Linux? -- k -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 12 February 2007 13:24, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Monday 12 February 2007 12:09, jdd wrote:
Bryan Tyson wrote:
usable and effective I mean it does not require the user to wait 60 minutes every time one wishes to add a package.
I never waited 60 minutes to install a package (the last one came even quite instantly to my great surprise :-).
It's long, a little longer than Mandriva, but not so much, and much more secure than debian.
Just out of curiosity - why would SUSE be more secure than Debian? Aren't they both at the same level of security being Linux?
Do the Debian maintainers monitor security advisories and promptly release easily installed updates? Do they even have anything comparable to YOU? I always got the impression that Debian was for the extremely self-reliant Linux user. Personally, that's a fine philosophy, but I don't have time to do all that and actually use my Linux system for my own work. If that _is_ your work, then it makes sense, but if Linux is means for you rather than an end (say, you're a site administrator at an installation with many Linux users), then it makes sense to take advantage of the service provided by Novell in the form of security updates pre-built and delivered through an integrated mechanism (YOU). Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/02/07 13:49 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Do the Debian maintainers monitor security advisories and promptly release easily installed updates? Do they even have anything comparable to YOU?
Actually, it's pretty easy to keep a Debian box updated. Add the appropriate security.debian.org url to your apt sources and then use cron-apt to download nightly any available updates and inform you by email, so you can review and install them. Of course if you need to deal with many boxes, you could turn to cfengine etc.
I always got the impression that Debian was for the extremely self-reliant Linux user. Personally, that's a fine philosophy, but I don't have time to do all that and actually use my Linux system for my own work. If that _is_ your work, then it makes sense, but if Linux is means for you rather than an end (say, you're a site administrator at an installation with many Linux users), then it makes sense to take advantage of the service provided by Novell in the form of security updates pre-built and delivered through an integrated mechanism (YOU).
I've found maintaining our Debian boxes at work to be pretty easy. One big advantage is the large maintainer base which tends to mean that security patches etc are delivered quite quickly. Another is the fact that upgrading Debian over major releases is a doddle compared to some other (*cough*) distros. ;-) Naturally, I still use openSUSE as my desktop - it's pretty slick, has great multimedia support thanks to the unofficial maintainers and I like the fact that we're usually the first to get any new KDE goodness that's been developed. Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Monday 12 February 2007 13:24, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Monday 12 February 2007 12:09, jdd wrote:
Bryan Tyson wrote:
usable and effective I mean it does not require the user to wait 60 minutes every time one wishes to add a package.
I never waited 60 minutes to install a package (the last one came even quite instantly to my great surprise :-).
It's long, a little longer than Mandriva, but not so much, and much more secure than debian.
Just out of curiosity - why would SUSE be more secure than Debian? Aren't they both at the same level of security being Linux?
Do the Debian maintainers monitor security advisories and promptly release easily installed updates? Yes. http://www.debian.org/security/ Do they even have anything comparable to YOU?
apt-get install cron-apt nano man cron-apt cat /usr/share/doc/cron-apt/README nano /etc/cron-apt/config (By default it gets the updates and doesn't install them)
I always got the impression that Debian was for the extremely self-reliant Linux user. Personally, that's a fine philosophy, but I don't have time to do all that and actually use my Linux system for my own work. If that _is_ your work, then it makes sense, but if Linux is means for you rather than an end (say, you're a site administrator at an installation with many Linux users), then it makes sense to take advantage of the service provided by Novell in the form of security updates pre-built and delivered through an integrated mechanism (YOU).
Your impression is correct, but that particular criticism is not really justified, IMO. Russell Jones -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Monday 12 February 2007 12:09, jdd wrote:
Bryan Tyson wrote:
usable and effective I mean it does not require the user to wait 60 minutes every time one wishes to add a package. I never waited 60 minutes to install a package (the last one came even quite instantly to my great surprise :-).
It's long, a little longer than Mandriva, but not so much, and much more secure than debian.
Just out of curiosity - why would SUSE be more secure than Debian? Aren't they both at the same level of security being Linux?
we are speaking of package management, here, don't you remember? apt get is a powerfull tool, but it uninstall too quickly too many things in some conditions, for my taste (I know things are changing , but I see my LUG's mailing list). I _never_ had any problem with YaST package management. Even the SuSEConfig slowness gives you a system consistency that lacks on the others distros jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Le manuel d'optique de Lucien Dodin http://lesprismes.free.fr/optique/index.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon February 12 2007 2:20 pm, Bryan Tyson scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:33 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
BTW, giving opinion about openSUSE as Mandriva user is IMHO somewhat displaced on this list.
Mandriva, Mepis, Kubuntu, and Fedora, to name a few that I am personally using right now, have a usable, effective package management system. By usable and effective I mean it does not require the user to wait 60 minutes every time one wishes to add a package.
I used Suse from 6.0 through 9.2. I used to call Suse "the Cadillac of Linux distros." For all those years, package management was great. What happened? I am involuntarily a non-OpenSuse user until it has a decent package system.
So what do you have to offer this list for this distro then? As they always tell me, if you don't like what you see, create your own. Perhaps you have some sort of good ideas about how to create a system that doesn't take forever to add/remove packages to contribute? Something constructive perhaps? -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* jfweber@gilweber.com <jfweber@gilweber.com> [02-12-07 16:47]:
So what do you have to offer this list for this distro then? As they always tell me, if you don't like what you see, create your own. Perhaps you have some sort of good ideas about how to create a system that doesn't take forever to add/remove packages to contribute? Something constructive perhaps?
Nah, 'd rather bitch. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:20:21 -0500 Bryan Tyson <bryantyson@earthlink.net> wrote:
I used Suse from 6.0 through 9.2. I used to call Suse "the Cadillac of Linux distros." For all those years, package management was great. What happened?
I've always had a suspicion that the folks responsible for the decision to buy Ximian and get nothing for the money decided to pretend it was a good decision by hyping the Ximian update technology as the wave of the future, and ever since then they have been trying to wedge the square peg into the round hole to justify their original mistake :-). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:20:21 -0500
Bryan Tyson <bryantyson@earthlink.net> wrote:
I used Suse from 6.0 through 9.2. I used to call Suse "the Cadillac of Linux distros." For all those years, package management was great. What happened?
I've always had a suspicion that the folks responsible for the decision to buy Ximian and get nothing for the money decided to pretend it was a good decision by hyping the Ximian update technology as the wave of the future, and ever since then they have been trying to wedge the square peg into the round hole to justify their original mistake :-). Gee I thought they bought Ximian for the pretty desktop they could make. Wasn't that the one w/ all the great graphics ? Or maybe it's late and I need a new caffeine infusion. The darned stuff burns off so fast
On Mon February 12 2007 5:33 pm, Tom Horsley scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: these days. ooh, gotta run and find out how to turn the heat on.. the weather guesser is threatening a freeze happening around noon tomorrow? Seems a strange time for the coldest bit of the day, usually that is a day w/o sun er, nevermind, it's going to be that sort of day... Wonder if I have enough credits to get a ticket south, say to Trinidad/Tobago ... or somewhere in that general latitude, Two hours further north than I was in Davie, and suddenly there is real winter, w/o the snow, but the same frigid temps ! -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 12 February 2007 21:13, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
On Mon February 12 2007 5:33 pm, Tom Horsley scratched these words onto
a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:20:21 -0500
Bryan Tyson <bryantyson@earthlink.net> wrote:
I used Suse from 6.0 through 9.2. I used to call Suse "the Cadillac of Linux distros." For all those years, package management was great. What happened?
I've always had a suspicion that the folks responsible for the decision to buy Ximian and get nothing for the money decided to pretend it was a good decision by hyping the Ximian update technology as the wave of the future, and ever since then they have been trying to wedge the square peg into the round hole to justify their original mistake :-).
Gee I thought they bought Ximian for the pretty desktop they could make. Wasn't that the one w/ all the great graphics ? Or maybe it's late and I need a new caffeine infusion. The darned stuff burns off so fast these days.
Ximian gave us the New and Improved Evolution. I personally haven't tried it, but I've heard it is new and improved over the previous version. Supposedly we get XGL or Compiz or something to that effect. I dunno.
ooh, gotta run and find out how to turn the heat on.. the weather guesser is threatening a freeze happening around noon tomorrow? Seems a strange time for the coldest bit of the day, usually that is a day w/o sun er, nevermind, it's going to be that sort of day...
Wonder if I have enough credits to get a ticket south, say to Trinidad/Tobago ... or somewhere in that general latitude, Two hours further north than I was in Davie, and suddenly there is real winter, w/o the snow, but the same frigid temps !
I'll be sure and think of you when I'm driving to work tomorrow with the sunroof open and both windows down. :P -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
I need a new caffeine infusion. The darned stuff burns off so fast these days. Try some 5-HTP (e.g. from Griffonia simplicifolia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffonia_simplicifolia>) to boost your serotonin levels.
Russell Jones (not a spammer, honest ;-) ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 February 2007 17:33, Rajko M. wrote:
Tom made some mistakes that he didn't know about, like including Factory repository that is pre-alpha,
I only glanced at a few posts on this thread, but, has anyone mentioned that the word "factory" does not carry any notions of extreme alpha status? Has the suggestion beemn made to change the name of the directory, so the same mistake is not repeated? The disclaimers are just that, they are everywhere these days, so most of us tend to skip them, no?
to install one package, but then you get all in that repository in your Software Management, and from there it is easy to make another mistake and update application to some pre-alpha code.
BTW, giving opinion about openSUSE as Mandriva user is IMHO somewhat displaced on this list.
-- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kanenas skrev:
On Sunday 11 February 2007 17:33, Rajko M. wrote:
Tom made some mistakes that he didn't know about, like including Factory repository that is pre-alpha,
I only glanced at a few posts on this thread, but, has anyone mentioned that the word "factory" does not carry any notions of extreme alpha status? Has the suggestion beemn made to change the name of the directory, so the same mistake is not repeated? The disclaimers are just that, they are everywhere these days, so most of us tend to skip them, no?
No, we don't. At least not if we're not sure of what we're doing... A popular abbreviation is 'RTFM'. -- Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 12:07 +0100, Anders Norrbring wrote:
kanenas skrev:
On Sunday 11 February 2007 17:33, Rajko M. wrote:
Tom made some mistakes that he didn't know about, like including Factory repository that is pre-alpha,
I only glanced at a few posts on this thread, but, has anyone mentioned that the word "factory" does not carry any notions of extreme alpha status? Has the suggestion beemn made to change the name of the directory, so the same mistake is not repeated? The disclaimers are just that, they are everywhere these days, so most of us tend to skip them, no?
No, we don't. At least not if we're not sure of what we're doing... A popular abbreviation is 'RTFM'.
You also get a big fat warning when you add Factory as an installation source stating that it is ALPHA software. But I guess that's only another dialog box that's there for users to ignore :-) Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Magnus Boman wrote:
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 12:07 +0100, Anders Norrbring wrote:
kanenas skrev:
On Sunday 11 February 2007 17:33, Rajko M. wrote:
Tom made some mistakes that he didn't know about, like including
Factory repository that is pre-alpha,
I only glanced at a few posts on this thread, but, has anyone mentioned that the word "factory" does not carry any notions of extreme alpha status? Has the suggestion beemn made to change the name of the directory, so the same mistake is not repeated? The disclaimers are just that, they are everywhere these days, so most of us tend to skip them, no?
No, we don't. At least not if we're not sure of what we're doing... A popular abbreviation is 'RTFM'.
You also get a big fat warning when you add Factory as an installation source stating that it is ALPHA software. But I guess that's only another dialog box that's there for users to ignore :-)
Cheers, Magnus
Actually, when I added it to my install list I DID NOT get any warning message. Had to learn the hard way. Now I'm a tiny bit smarter. Life is a learning experience. Every time I blow up SuSE I learn a little something. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> [03-06-07 10:08]:
Actually, when I added it to my install list I DID NOT get any warning message. Had to learn the hard way. Now I'm a tiny bit smarter. Life is a learning experience. Every time I blow up SuSE I learn a little something.
Then, just perhaps, the subject temperature might be adjusted to indicate a probable relation to operator error rather than a direct condemnation of the distro ???? :^) After all, well *all* have these kind of problems resulting from quick fingers, lack of knowledge, haste, distraction, ..... :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 February 2007 17:33, Rajko M. wrote:
Tom made some mistakes that he didn't know about, like including
Factory repository that is pre-alpha,
I only glanced at a few posts on this thread, but, has anyone mentioned that the word "factory" does not carry any notions of extreme alpha status? Has the suggestion beemn made to change the name of the directory, so the same mistake is not repeated? The disclaimers are just that, they are everywhere these days, so most of us tend to skip them, no? I made another I D Ten T error yesterday and had to reload my system. I was looking for the factory repo to get the 2.6.20 kernel. The
kanenas wrote: link/listing has been removed from the openSuSE pages where it was. It took me almost two hours to get my poor old brain to figure out the address and find the correct page. I doubt there will be as much need for a warning if it isn't listed. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun February 11 2007 7:16 pm, Bryan S. Tyson scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:32, Tom Horsley wrote:
My experience with 10.2 has been just as full of update problems, and I haven't even done anything remotely weird with packman repos or anything. All I did was install from the DVD iso, pick most optional packages to install, then occasionally try to run updates.
I'd like to see concerted attention and effort applied to creating a working package system for opensuse. This is so fundamental, I can't understand why it is taking so long to solve. Are all the developers preoccupied with compiz and beagle and new menu styles? In its present condition, opensuse is unusable in my opinion.
How so, I'd like to hear particulars. As many have written about their roll out on differing hardware w/o problems.. I am in the midst of a network wide roll out here, but it's not as great as others. OTH I have also installed or given Suse boxes to folks who have managed w/ little to no hand-holding , to get it up and running w/ the multimedia working and w/ DVD watching installed should they want it. In my net we don't need it, but I found , surprisingly that a lot of the kind of Advert DVDs folks send, seem to play just fine w/ nothing added from anywhere except the Boxed DVD. I guess anyone could do that if they wanted to. Why they prefer discs that attempt to circumvent a user watching it except on their pre approved devices is anyones guess. I know we had DVDs on the computer long before we ever bought any for playing movies and whatever. OF course the various Playstations would play them, but that is another story altogether, and about as relevant on this list as your posting from another Distro. In case you missed it, this list is intended mainly to assist folks in getting their Suse version up and running. Did you have a question as to why Suse 10.2 isn't running on your system? -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 16:39 -0500, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
Did you have a question as to why Suse 10.2 isn't running on your system?
I know why it is not running on my system: because I blew it away and put Mandriva on that system instead. My question was why the package system was appallingly slow. Don explained that in Yast there is a choice between enterprise package management and opensuse package management, and the default, enterprise, is the slow one. Now I am ready to try it again. Bryan -- *************************************** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net *************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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