Thanks Rik, BTW: Win4Lin is a lighter weight approach than is VMWare. It supports only Windows9x. On 14 Jun 2000, at 14:19, Rik Dunphy wrote:

Hi,

I've used both WINE and VMWare (1.0 - 1.2).

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Sorry Sirs, did you eventually succed in running MS word on wine? Any hint on this (beside Rik's wine.conf file)? TIA, Stefano Rik Dunphy wrote:

Jerry Feldman wrote:

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Thanks Rik, BTW: Win4Lin is a lighter weight approach than is VMWare. It supports only Windows9x.

Hi,

I had a look at Win4Lin. I remember looking a while back (over 6 months ago) but they had nothing up on the site back then.

It looks fairly good. It seems to be a good comprimise between WINE and VMWare. Would suit a small company (or home user) who simply want to run games or Office, etc. But for a software development company running NT is probably a necessity. Maybe in the future they'll get around to this.

You have obviously used it so I just have a few questions. Then when they finally get a trial version up on the website I'll probably give it a go.

Have you used it for long? Any problems? Do you know if it supports running a previously installed native windows 9x system?

The introductory price of $50 makes it even more interesting, but what will the price go upto for the long term? You can get VMWare for a single user for $99 so it really needs to remain around the $50 mark to remain competitive.

The one downside I see for both Win4Lin and VMWare is the licensing. If I run a native windows machine I need only buy one copy of Windows for that machine no matter how many users or on it. But from what I've seen with VMWare and Win4Lin you would need to buy seperate licenses for each user on that machine. For someone at home this could be quite costly when compared to the likes of WINE...

RikD

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Has anyone has success at running Outlook 98 on Wine? I tinkered with Outlook, and it would start up, but after it asked where my personal folders would be located, it would complain about low system resources and quit. I doubt this was a problem, I only had X, KDE, and Konsole running (perhaps XMMS at first, but I closed it the second time), and RAM looked good (100+ megs of my 256 were free or buffered). Does WINE try to poorly simulate Window's GDI or something? While on the subject of emulators, I have a question about the x86 emulator, VMWare. I noticed VMWare seemed rather sluggish at running Windows, especially at refreshing the screen. My system isn't the fasted anymore (PII 450), but still it was worse than my 486/100 laptop with Windows. Any ideas here? Thanks, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================

-----Original Message----- From: rdunph01@cork.cig.mot.com [mailto:rdunph01@cork.cig.mot.com]On Behalf Of Rik Dunphy Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 7:50 AM To: Stefano Papini Cc: SuSE Subject: Re: [SLE] Windows Emulators

Stefano Papini wrote:

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Sorry Sirs, did you eventually succed in running MS word on wine? Any hint on this (beside Rik's wine.conf file)? TIA,

Stefano

I managed to get Word 95 to run once, but never again. Someone earlier in the discussion mentioned they got Word 97 to run, but he did mention that it rarely crashes, so it must crash still!!

In getting applications to run I take a rather long approach. At the moment WINE is not perfect so I leave a paritition open for Windows applications to be installed and run via Windows. Once installed there I can then copy them to my emu directory and run with WINE. Usually this is accompanied by a number of complaints about dll's being missing. I track these down and then install on the emu directory until it works. Although sometimes it never does....

Once done I restore the old Windows paritition to it's original state and move on... If the application didn't work on WINE then I usually try to find a native linux version/clone.

I'm sure it must be possible to get setup applications to run under WINE but these didn't work on the older version I had. Now that I have the latest, maybe these things work now?! Hopefully will get to give it a go this weekend.

RikD

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These are very good points. I don't think that Win4Lin is a good solution for Windows developers. VMWare appears to be a better solution. I do need to look at the licensing issues. Rik Dunphy wrote:

The one downside I see for both Win4Lin and VMWare is the licensing. If I run a native windows machine I need only buy one copy of Windows for that machine no matter how many users or on it. But from what I've seen with VMWare and Win4Lin you would need to buy seperate licenses for each user on that machine. For someone at home this could be quite costly when compared to the likes of WINE...

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I have used VMWare and even though is is quite a good product, I prefer wine as it is MUCH more responsive and needs alot less memory. However it is not yet good enough to replace a windows machine completely. Having said that I use MSWord 97 with wine all the time and it rarely crashes!! Gary Kline wrote:

On Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 02:19:17PM +0100, Rik Dunphy wrote:

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Hi,

I've used both WINE and VMWare (1.0 - 1.2). Obviously there are merits for using either but these are my opinions...

WINE would be the perfect scenario, just simply running the windows executables direct from linux. But it is still in an alpha state so each time a new release is made things get fixed, and others get broken. For example about 1-1.5 years ago a release was made which meant I could use MS Mail to get company email. 6 months later this broke, and is now working again! But on the plus side, things are moving along very fast now and more things are being fixed than broken. Just check the applications listed on the homepage and you can see a large number of apps and games are now being reported to work.

One of the many reasons I am trying Linux is to see if my CDROM's will work using WINE. ---These CDROM's are fairly simple: graphics and *.wav file to teach French, so these would probably be supported, though I'm not certain.

My question, nutshell: What's the magic to configure WINE in my /home/kline directory? I copied the system-wide WINE config file... but now what?

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One of the many reasons I am trying Linux is to see if my CDROM's will work using WINE. ---These CDROM's are fairly simple: graphics and *.wav file to teach French, so these would probably be supported, though I'm not certain.

My question, nutshell: What's the magic to configure WINE in my /home/kline directory? I copied the system-wide WINE config file... but now what?

Not too sure what you want to know... But here is what I have done and maybe you can work off it. First I've created a seperate partition for emulators (WINE UAE etc..) and have set up the following windows directories /emu/win/windows /emu/win/windows/system /emu/win/temp /emu/win/program files /emu/win/utils Copy the wine.conf to your home directory as .winerc and edit to include any necessary drives. I've included below a copy of my .winerc file. I'm in the process of updating it to work with the newest release of wine (wine20000526) that I grabbed a few days ago, so if it looks different that's why (and it may not work fully...). Up until now I've been using one that's been about 1 year old so hopefully this should get me up and running with newer apps?! Hope this helps. RikD -------------------------------------------- /home/rik/.winrc ============================================ [Drive A] Path=/mnt/fd0 Type=floppy Label=Floppy Serial=87654321 Device=/dev/fd0 [Drive C] Path=/emu/win Type=hd Label=MS-DOS Filesystem=win95 [Drive D] Path=/mnt/dvdrom Type=cdrom Label=DVD-ROM Filesystem=win95 Device=/dev/dvdrom [Drive E] Path=/mnt/cdrw Type=cdrom Label=CD-Writer Filesystem=win95 Device=/dev/cdrw [Drive H] Path=${HOME} Type=network Label=Home Filesystem=win95 [Drive T] Path=/tmp Type=hd Label=Tmp Drive Filesystem=win95 [wine] Windows=c:\windows System=c:\windows\system Temp=c:\temp Path=c:\windows;c:\windows\system;c:\utils;c:\temp Profile=c:\windows\Profiles\Rik SymbolTableFile=./wine.sym [DllDefaults] EXTRA_LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${HOME}/wine/cvs/lib DefaultLoadOrder = native, builtin, elfdll, so [DllOverrides] kernel32, gdi32, user32 = builtin krnl386, gdi, user = builtin toolhelp = builtin comdlg32, commdlg = elfdll, builtin, native version, ver = elfdll, builtin, native shell32, shell = builtin, native lz32, lzexpand = builtin, native commctrl, comctl32 = builtin, native wsock32, winsock = builtin advapi32, crtdll, ntdll = builtin, native mpr, winspool.drv = builtin, native ddraw, dinput, dsound = builtin, native winmm, mmsystem = builtin msvideo, msvfw32 = builtin, native mcicda.drv, mciseq.drv = builtin, native mciwave.drv = builtin, native mciavi.drv, mcianim.drv = native, builtin msacm.drv, midimap.drv = builtin, native w32skrnl = builtin wnaspi32, wow32 = builtin system, display, wprocs = builtin wineps = builtin icmp = builtin [x11drv] ; Number of colors to allocate from the system palette AllocSystemColors = 256 ; Use a private color map PrivateColorMap = N ; Favor correctness over speed in some graphics operations PerfectGraphics = Y ; Color depth to use on multi-depth screens ScreenDepth = 16 ; Use XFree86 DGA extension if present UseDGA = Y ; Use XShm extension if present UseXShm = Y ; Enable DirectX mouse grab DXGrab = N [fonts] ;Read documentation/fonts before adding aliases Resolution = 96 Default = -adobe-times- [serialports] Com1=/dev/ttyS0 Com2=/dev/ttyS1 Com3=/dev/modem,38400 Com4=/dev/modem [parallelports] Lpt1=/dev/lp0 [spooler] LPT1:=!lpr LPT2:=/dev/lp1 LPT3:=/dev/lp3 [ports] ;read=0x779,0x379,0x280-0x2a0 ;write=0x779,0x379,0x280-0x2a0 [spy] Exclude=WM_SIZE;WM_TIMER; [registry] ; Paths must be given in /dir/dir/file.reg format. ; Wine will not understand dos file names here... ; alternate registry file name: HKCU AltCurrentUserFile= ; alternate registry file name: HKU AltUserFile= ; alternate registry file name: HKLM AltLocalMachineFile= ;These are all booleans. Y/y/T/t/1 are true, N/n/F/f/0 are false. ;Defaults are read all, write to Home and Alt ;Note: it is pointless to specify alt files and neither load nor write to them. ; Global registries (stored in /etc) LoadGlobalRegistryFiles=Y ; Home registries (stored in ~user/.wine/) LoadHomeRegistryFiles=Y ; Load above registries. LoadAltRegistryFiles=Y ; Load Windows registries from the Windows directory LoadWindowsRegistryFiles=Y ; TRY to write all changes to home registries WritetoHomeRegistryFiles=Y ; TRY to write all changes to alt registries WritetoAltRegistryFiles=Y ; Use new file format UseNewFormat=N [Tweak.Layout] WineLook=Win95 [programs] Default= Startup= [Clipboard] ClearAllSelections=0 PersistentSelection=1 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Rik Dunphy wrote:

[talking about wine, Win4Lin and vmware]

I haven't tried Win4Lin. But I (and I'm sure there are many more) would be very interested in seeing what you put together for your talk.

yes, feedback is welcome. Out IT boss is positive on Linux, but sais that our users want their windows apps. And best way its to run them without a windows or whatever lizense (i.e. vmware. you need a win *and* vmware license). Every company experiance on this is well worth knowing. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/