Re: [opensuse] ftp permissions
On Saturday 29 September 2007 21:11, Richard Creighton wrote:
primm wrote:
<snip> Hi and thanks Joe. You give me new hope.
Another doubt I had was as to whether this list was also for people using opensuse commercially. Maybe I'm breaking the law making money indirectly from opensuse. I don't mind paying for support but the advice here is all I need.
<snip>
Love and kisses from Lynn.
Ok Lynn, You've managed to hit my hot button. This is exactly what is wrong, and I mean what is REALLY WRONG with *US* now days.
What a world Microsoft has created! It makes honest people *think* they are thieves!!!!
Lynn, STOP feeling guilty about USING Linux and certainly stop feeling guilty about asking for help, whether or not you eventually make a profit from the information is irrelevant.
I felt guilty before because another poster told me that I ought to know about linux permissions. In fact I did but needed help with them as a beginner. That's why I thought I was wasting list members time. It seemed to be a list just for experts. I take your point about microsoft and the way they made me feel when I stopped paying for their support and using their products. They send reminders. What is not clear for me and microsoft users in general is the issue of me using opensuse as against the Novell equivalent in a commercial environment. Your post encourages me in that I have the freedom to use opensuse as and how I wish. Commercially, as a hobby or just for playing games. is that what you are really saying? Anyway, thanks again and thanks to everyone accepting a total beginner in their list. I'm now going to ask another impossible question in another thread. Here's a preview: Where is /srv/www/htdocs in xp? Un saludo, Lynn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
primm wrote: <snip>
Ok Lynn, You've managed to hit my hot button. This is exactly what is wrong, and I mean what is REALLY WRONG with *US* now days.
What a world Microsoft has created! It makes honest people *think* they are thieves!!!!
Lynn, STOP feeling guilty about USING Linux and certainly stop feeling guilty about asking for help, whether or not you eventually make a profit from the information is irrelevant.
I take your point about microsoft and the way they made me feel when I stopped paying for their support and using their products. They send reminders.
What is not clear for me and microsoft users in general is the issue of me using opensuse as against the Novell equivalent in a commercial environment. Your post encourages me in that I have the freedom to use opensuse as and how I wish. Commercially, as a hobby or just for playing games. is that what you are really saying?
Yes, what I am really saying is that you are free to use Linux in pretty much any way you want to use it. There is a license (the GPL) which tells you what the limitations are (dammed near none), you basically can't sell it, but you can use it or give it away. If you want to play games, fine, if you want to use it in a hobby, fine, if you want to run a business, fine, if you want to do company books, fine, if you want to do commercial research and sell the information you collect, fine. Just don't sell LINUX itself. If you want to sell information ABOUT Linux, that is also fine, but it would be nice if you would share it with others first :) Write a book and sell that, fine...even if the book is about Linux. Even if the book is about SuSE Linux. Even if the book is about all of the information you have learned from people here on this forum, that you can do and we all will hope you make a big profit. Cast off your Microsoft mentality, it is no longer of any value except as an example of what not to do and how not to live your computer life. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 30 September 2007 01:54, Richard Creighton wrote:
primm wrote:
<snip>
Ok Lynn, You've managed to hit my hot button. This is exactly what is wrong, and I mean what is REALLY WRONG with *US* now days.
What a world Microsoft has created! It makes honest people *think* they are thieves!!!!
Lynn, STOP feeling guilty about USING Linux and certainly stop feeling guilty about asking for help, whether or not you eventually make a profit from the information is irrelevant.
I take your point about microsoft and the way they made me feel when I stopped paying for their support and using their products. They send reminders.
What is not clear for me and microsoft users in general is the issue of me using opensuse as against the Novell equivalent in a commercial environment. Your post encourages me in that I have the freedom to use opensuse as and how I wish. Commercially, as a hobby or just for playing games. is that what you are really saying?
Yes, what I am really saying is that you are free to use Linux in pretty much any way you want to use it. There is a license (the GPL) which tells you what the limitations are (dammed near none), you basically can't sell it, but you can use it or give it away. If you want to play games, fine, if you want to use it in a hobby, fine, if you want to run a business, fine, if you want to do company books, fine, if you want to do commercial research and sell the information you collect, fine. Just don't sell LINUX itself. If you want to sell information ABOUT Linux, that is also fine, but it would be nice if you would share it with others first :) Write a book and sell that, fine...even if the book is about Linux. Even if the book is about SuSE Linux. Even if the book is about all of the information you have learned from people here on this forum, that you can do and we all will hope you make a big profit. Cast off your Microsoft mentality, it is no longer of any value except as an example of what not to do and how not to live your computer life.
Hi Richard, Hi everyone. That's great news. In fact few people have the time nor inclination to read the GPL. I started but went out for lunch instead. It needs shortening in the way you have explained it to make it understood by the idiots such as me. 10 lines of text as opposed to a thousand. Then (almost ex) microsoft users like me may take notice. Anyway, could I use my feminine charm, invite you back for coffee and ask you guru guys where /srv/www/htdocs is on xp? I honestly dare not start it as a new thread. Theo would throw me off the list! Love from Lynn x x x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
primm wrote:
Anyway, could I use my feminine charm, invite you back for coffee and ask you guru guys where /srv/www/htdocs is on xp? I honestly dare not start it as a new thread. Theo would throw me off the list!
Love from Lynn x x x
Don't worry about starting new threads Lynn. It has been a long time since I've played on XP but I don't think that it has a directory like that. The directory sounds like part of the structure for the web server on the standard installation of Apache2. What is it you are trying to do? ... and if you are using Linux, what is the relevance to XP? I am confused and I'm not a guru, just an old codger that has played with Linux for enough years to be intimidated by all the changes :) If a new thread is in order, NO ONE will care if you start a new one and it may help you get the help you need because it could attract the eye of a real guru that has the answer, one that might otherwise skip the message because the subject didn't attract their attention. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 30 September 2007 04:23, Richard Creighton wrote:
primm wrote:
Anyway, could I use my feminine charm, invite you back for coffee and ask you guru guys where /srv/www/htdocs is on xp? I honestly dare not start it as a new thread. Theo would throw me off the list!
Love from Lynn x x x
Don't worry about starting new threads Lynn. It has been a long time since I've played on XP but I don't think that it has a directory like that. The directory sounds like part of the structure for the web server on the standard installation of Apache2. What is it you are trying to do? ... and if you are using Linux, what is the relevance to XP? I am confused and I'm not a guru, just an old codger that has played with Linux for enough years to be intimidated by all the changes
:) If a new thread is in order, NO ONE will care if you start a new
one and it may help you get the help you need because it could attract the eye of a real guru that has the answer, one that might otherwise skip the message because the subject didn't attract their attention.
Richard
One of the boxes on the lan 10.0.0.5 is running xp, the version where you need an admin password to see the disk. It's that box that is NAT'd on 80 which I can see because the router didn't need a password. There is an asp script serving a single page. I can see the html it produces but can't see the script as I don't have the password. I can't go into that here. In fact I could produce a similar page using php and just reformat the xp box so it's not such a problem. It's just that the other girls don't like the look of openoffice. So I have to keep that machine for the time being. Lynn x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
primm wrote:
In fact I could produce a similar page using php and just reformat the xp box so it's not such a problem.
That's the spirit - even if they keep using it for other tasks, it would be good practice to move that function to linux.
It's just that the other girls don't like the look of openoffice. So I have to keep that machine for the time being.
Ah, too bad. Have they seen oOo 2.3? In any case, I would think that the cost savings and virus resistance would justify oOo. Another option is that they could run ms office in linux, under codeweavers wine or win4lin or similar. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
joe wrote:
primm wrote:
It's just that the other girls don't like the look of openoffice. So I have to keep that machine for the time being.
Ah, too bad. Have they seen oOo 2.3? In any case, I would think that the cost savings and virus resistance would justify oOo.
Another option is that they could run ms office in linux, under codeweavers wine or win4lin or similar.
Joe
It is likely that they are using only Word and Excel? I believe both of those work well under Codeweavers emulators. In which case your other associates would actually run Linux except when editing a *.doc or *.xls file in which case a native copy of Word or Excel would kick in and seamlessly allow them to use that program while you and the others use Open Office which is compatable with the documents they produce. Now, if you have some reason to *need* an XP machine (which is really a single user machine with multiple accounts on it, meaning multiple users, one at a time) a great solution is VMWare, which is a machine emulator that runs under Linux that pretends to be a computer that can run almost any guest OS, including XP...PERFECTLY. VMWare will run XP, 2000, Vista, other versions of Linux or even DOS ... all at the same time and on the same machine, provided of course you have enough memory and horsepower available, but I routinely run 10.2 SuSE and load up XP for those very few occasions where there is not yet an available substitute written to run under Linux. In that case, and without rebooting, I just launch VMWare which gives me a virtual machine running real XP which then can run whatever XP would normally run...including all of XP's viruses :) (of course, Linux keeps them contained inside of the virtual machine and won't let them contaminate the rest of the environment). The virtual machine can communicate with the external Linux network with Samba, FTP, or SSH if you wish. The virtual machine is available to any of your other office mates from their machines without having to get up and go over to the XP machine to use it. There is a free version available that allows one user at a time to access the virtual machine (just like a real hardware machine), but for a nominal charge, you can have multiple users all accessing the virtual machine simultaneously which is unlike the real XP which costs big bucks for such a license. So, Lynn, you have a lot of options and Linux forms the basis even if for some jobs you still need or want XP. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 30 September 2007 08:16, joe wrote:
primm wrote:
In fact I could produce a similar page using php and just reformat the xp box so it's not such a problem.
That's the spirit - even if they keep using it for other tasks, it would be good practice to move that function to linux.
It's just that the other girls don't like the look of openoffice. So I have to keep that machine for the time being.
Ah, too bad. Have they seen oOo 2.3? In any case, I would think that the cost savings and virus resistance would justify oOo.
Another option is that they could run ms office in linux, under codeweavers wine or win4lin or similar.
Joe
I don't think they paid for the xp. They stole it like everyone else. I'm not that concerned that microsoft gets ripped off in this way. No one I know has a licence for the pro version. They bought a new box with home edition and magically it's pro without spending a euro after 'a mate of mine' popped in with a dvd. The same with office. Whatever that means. I don't think it's possible to steal opensuse is it? That's why I'm trying to make the outfit legally comfortable. Throwing openoffice at office users is just not possible. They simply cannot change. File>save as isn't in the same place for a start. How can you use a system where File>save as isn't in the same place? I mean it's just not possible is it. And as for word count. Just forget it. In openoffice you just can't do it. it's impossible to do a word count in open office. You have to click three times for gad sake. All they do it type and use outlook express. Getting wine to run office represents another weekend's work for me. But even then I need a licence to use it. But thanks for the encouragement. I think at last I'm being understood. Fancy a beer anyone? Love L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
primm wrote:
I don't think they paid for the xp. They stole it like everyone else. I'm not that concerned that microsoft gets ripped off in this way. No one I know has a licence for the pro version. They bought a new box with home edition and magically it's pro without spending a euro after 'a mate of mine' popped in with a dvd. The same with office. Whatever that means.
Sounds familiar.
I don't think it's possible to steal opensuse is it? That's why I'm trying to make the outfit legally comfortable. Throwing openoffice at office users is just not possible. They simply cannot change. File>save as isn't in the same place for a start. How can you use a system where File>save as isn't in the same place?
X'-)
I mean it's just not possible is it. And as for word count. Just forget it. In openoffice you just can't do it. it's impossible to do a word count in open office. You have to click three times for gad sake.
ROTFL! X'-) Now I know why people don't use OpenOffice! Thanks for the explanation X'-)
All they do it type and use outlook express. Getting wine to run office represents another weekend's work for me. But even then I need a licence to use it.
Correct.
But thanks for the encouragement. I think at last I'm being understood. Fancy a beer anyone?
Welcome! \__________/ \ º / \ º / \____/ Here, have one! -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/30/2007 primm wrote:
I don't think they paid for the xp. They stole it like everyone else. I'm not that concerned that microsoft gets ripped off in this way. No one I know has a licence for the pro version. They bought a new box with home edition and magically it's pro without spending a euro after 'a mate of mine' popped in with a dvd. The same with office. Whatever that means. I don't think it's possible to steal opensuse is it? That's why I'm trying to make the outfit legally comfortable. Throwing openoffice at office users is just not possible. They simply cannot change. File>save as isn't in the same place for a start. How can you use a system where File>save as isn't in the same place? I mean it's just not possible is it. And as for word count. Just forget it. In openoffice you just can't do it. it's impossible to do a word count in open office. You have to click three times for gad sake. All they do it type and use outlook express. Getting wine to run office represents another weekend's work for me. But even then I need a licence to use it.
But thanks for the encouragement. I think at last I'm being understood. Fancy a beer anyone?
I'm not an office user per se, but I did a little checking and with OOo you can customize the menus. With just a smidgen of effort you could give those old fuddy-duddies an "Office look-and-feel" in the menus. As customizable as everything else in the Linux World is I was pretty sure it could be done. I'm not much for beer, but a nice Bacardi Superior, or better yet a Bacardi Anejo, and Coke would be nice. Even a nice glass of wine, vin ordinaire not some of that hoity-toity stuff that tastes like lighter fluid, would be good. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
primm wrote:
I don't think they paid for the xp. They stole it like everyone else. I'm not that concerned that microsoft gets ripped off in this way. No one I know has a licence for the pro version. They bought a new box with home edition and magically it's pro without spending a euro after 'a mate of mine' popped in with a dvd. The same with office. Whatever that means. I don't think it's possible to steal opensuse is it? That's why I'm trying to make the outfit legally comfortable. Throwing openoffice at office users is just not possible. They simply cannot change. File>save as isn't in the same place for a start. How can you use a system where File>save as isn't in the same place? I mean it's just not possible is it. And as for word count. Just forget it. In openoffice you just can't do it. it's impossible to do a word count in open office. You have to click three times for gad sake. All they do it type and use outlook express. Getting wine to run office represents another weekend's work for me. But even then I need a licence to use it.
Perhaps you should point out the consequences of running pirated software, BSA etc. Then you can explain how open source stuff is legally available for free. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Software_Alliance
But thanks for the encouragement. I think at last I'm being understood. Fancy a beer anyone?
A pint o' Guinness please. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/30/2007 James Knott wrote:
Perhaps you should point out the consequences of running pirated software, BSA etc. Then you can explain how open source stuff is legally available for free. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Software_Alliance
Just move them over and tell them, "Suck it up Cowgirl. This is how it is. Get used to it." -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-30 at 11:08 -0400, James Knott wrote:
open office. You have to click three times for gad sake. All they do it type and use outlook express. Getting wine to run office represents another weekend's work for me. But even then I need a licence to use it.
Perhaps you should point out the consequences of running pirated software, BSA etc. Then you can explain how open source stuff is legally available for free.
Here they would simply laugh at you. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHABLJtTMYHG2NR9URAjZOAKCOQ5j28EdebhtERdf8k+sn9YlFHwCfWuGB ulk4KgFPgp/CerMc9oufnEk= =hk+q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2007-09-30 at 11:08 -0400, James Knott wrote:
open office. You have to click three times for gad sake. All they do it type and use outlook express. Getting wine to run office represents another weekend's work for me. But even then I need a licence to use it.
Perhaps you should point out the consequences of running pirated software, BSA etc. Then you can explain how open source stuff is legally available for free.
Here they would simply laugh at you.
Until someone snitches. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-30 at 17:56 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Perhaps you should point out the consequences of running pirated software, BSA etc. Then you can explain how open source stuff is legally available for free.
Here they would simply laugh at you.
Until someone snitches.
When I try to convince somebody here to use linux or openoffice because it is free, they answer that windows is also free - as in beer. It is a lost cause :-( That argument doesn't win any terrain here. Sad, but that's how it is. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHACS0tTMYHG2NR9URAvMIAKCYpuKjPGPiFLf1XBUM9vR0YNseWACfeYg/ YgNdNs1AVjx44lv4EAMogwY= =HrAx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2007-09-30 at 17:56 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Perhaps you should point out the consequences of running pirated software, BSA etc. Then you can explain how open source stuff is legally available for free.
Here they would simply laugh at you.
Until someone snitches.
When I try to convince somebody here to use linux or openoffice because it is free, they answer that windows is also free - as in beer. It is a lost cause :-(
That argument doesn't win any terrain here. Sad, but that's how it is.
Until MS sics the mob^H^H^H BSA on you. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-30 at 18:48 -0400, James Knott wrote:
When I try to convince somebody here to use linux or openoffice because it is free, they answer that windows is also free - as in beer. It is a lost cause :-(
That argument doesn't win any terrain here. Sad, but that's how it is.
Until MS sics the mob^H^H^H BSA on you. ;-)
X'-) Actually, I think it's a trick of them. They don't care how we - that's they - get their windows software from, as long as people get used to it. As the users know how to use word and reject changes, they are sure that when the time comes, the big businesses will be forced to buy again windows software. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHADQptTMYHG2NR9URAgqbAKCJBnDtf8ajoLgyxNmG2AqG0p1fnwCglxz2 oxhF+EqShRVJIxToYL+OEtg= =beVD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 08:00 +0200, primm wrote: <snip>
One of the boxes on the lan 10.0.0.5 is running xp, the version where you need an admin password to see the disk. It's that box that is NAT'd on 80 which I can see because the router didn't need a password. There is an asp script serving a single page. I can see the html it produces but can't see the script as I don't have the password. I can't go into that here.
In fact I could produce a similar page using php and just reformat the xp box so it's not such a problem. It's just that the other girls don't like the look of openoffice. So I have to keep that machine for the time being.
Lynn x
Lynn, There is a way to reset the windows admin password. It is important that you determine if the file system is encrypted. The easiest way to do that is using a Linux live DVD, here is 10.2's http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/iso/dvd/openSUSE-10.2-GM-Live... and look through the file system usually auto-mounted on the desktop as "C" or "Windows",you should be able to find "c:/inetpub/wwwroot" if not it could be encrypted or in a non-default location, my guess its not because anyone using XP Pro to set up a web page is smart enough to be dangerous but.... Anyway at http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ is an ISO containing a tool set to change the "administrator" password. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District 213 S. Main st Newmarket NH, 03857 603-659-3271 *318 CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/educationk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sun, 30 Sep 2007, by lynn@steve-ss.com: [..]
Anyway, could I use my feminine charm, invite you back for coffee and ask you guru guys where /srv/www/htdocs is on xp? I honestly dare not start it as a new thread. Theo would throw me off the list!
Damn right! ;-P The directory in XP is in C:\inetpub\wwwroot\ afaik Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 10.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.20 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
[Richard Creighton]
There is a license (the GPL) which tells you what the limitations are (dammed near none), you basically can't sell [Linux], but you can use it or give it away.
You may sell GPL'ed software, nothing forces you to give it. However, you ought to unconditionally provide full sources in some form, and make sure you forward all the freedom you received yourself. In particular, you may not sell sources separately, nor forbid your customer to freely give the GPL'ed software he got from you, if s/he feels like doing so. -- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-10-06 at 22:56 -0400, François Pinard wrote:
[Richard Creighton]
There is a license (the GPL) which tells you what the limitations are (dammed near none), you basically can't sell [Linux], but you can use it or give it away.
You may sell GPL'ed software, nothing forces you to give it. However, you ought to unconditionally provide full sources in some form, and make sure you forward all the freedom you received yourself. In particular, you may not sell sources separately, nor forbid your customer to freely give the GPL'ed software he got from you, if s/he feels like doing so.
Which means that there is very little point in selling it, as your client can give it for free to your own future possible clients. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHCLuOtTMYHG2NR9URAunYAJ9cE6bPZa93XdGKEI35eH4Zu8M6ZACgliCW 6iaUQGWCi+tHW2fVu+s25CM= =TZjk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sunday 07 October 2007 12:57:16 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-10-06 at 22:56 -0400, François Pinard wrote:
[Richard Creighton]
There is a license (the GPL) which tells you what the limitations are (dammed near none), you basically can't sell [Linux], but you can use it or give it away.
You may sell GPL'ed software, nothing forces you to give it. However, you ought to unconditionally provide full sources in some form, and make sure you forward all the freedom you received yourself. In particular, you may not sell sources separately, nor forbid your customer to freely give the GPL'ed software he got from you, if s/he feels like doing so.
Which means that there is very little point in selling it, as your client can give it for free to your own future possible clients.
If they want to give away something they had to pay for, sure. But they can't give away secondary benefits, such as support -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
[Carlos E. R.]
[François Pinard]
You may sell GPL'ed software, nothing forces you to give it. However, you ought to unconditionally provide full sources in some form, and make sure you forward all the freedom you received yourself. In particular, you may not sell sources separately, nor forbid your customer to freely give the GPL'ed software he got from you, if s/he feels like doing so.
Which means that there is very little point in selling it, as your client can give it for free to your own future possible clients.
As Richard Creighton pointed to me privately, my reply (quoted above) was merely a fine point to his own reply to a lady who felt almost guilty of making some profit out of using Linux, while there was absolutely no reason to feel guilty. Yet, I feel like developing a bit on the above argument. Suppose (it's an actual case, in fact) a customer hires me for developing some new software, which does not already exist. If I may use GPL'ed code within this new software, my productivity is boosted, and I could develop the software at a lesser cost. I shall provide my customer with sources, and I may not forbid him to give out my code. This customer may not sell my code or any derivation of it without providing full sources, and he may not further restrict the rights he got with what I gave him. If he wanted to (keeping sources or rights to him), I should have avoided using GPL'ed code to start with, and charged him a higher price. But if my customer decides to keep the code for his sole use and not distribute it further, the GPL is no obstacle at all for him in practice. In a word and to summarize, I sell my programming as a service, but I do not really sell the result of my programming -- that is, the program itself -- in the usual acceptation of "selling a program", but this only if my program includes GPL'ed source. Without including GPL'ed code in mine, I could even sell my program with special limiting licenses, and the fact I used Linux as a development platform is no impediment. -- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sun, 30 Sep 2007, by lynn@steve-ss.com:
On Saturday 29 September 2007 21:11, Richard Creighton wrote:
primm wrote:
<snip> Hi and thanks Joe. You give me new hope.
Another doubt I had was as to whether this list was also for people using opensuse commercially. Maybe I'm breaking the law making money indirectly from opensuse. I don't mind paying for support but the advice here is all I need.
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Lynn, STOP feeling guilty about USING Linux and certainly stop feeling guilty about asking for help, whether or not you eventually make a profit from the information is irrelevant.
I felt guilty before because another poster told me that I ought to know about linux permissions. In fact I did but needed help with them as a beginner. That's why I thought I was wasting list members time. It seemed to be a list just for experts.
It's probably me you were refering to. I did not tell you that you 'ought to know', I told you that you would do yourself a favor when you teach yourself the basics of the permission schemes, amongst other things. We all love to help other Linux users of course, specially when, like you, they show a 'here to stay' attitude, but plunging in an (Internet-wide) server setup without knowing the basics is just not smart. First of all, now that it's up and working; do you really know why it's working and how to repeat it in different setups or situations? If not: how do you know you didn't create a (potential) security problem? Second: next time just say that you need extra guideness, because otherwise people (like me, mea culpa) will assume that you only need minimal hints, and you wind up having to digg deeper and deeper for the answers you really need. Thirth: kudos for getting the job done by yourself. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 10.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.20 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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