In addition to the "shaking" video problem I mentioned earlier, there is another severe problem. After 2 or 3 days, my desktop will lock up solid and the only way out is to kill the power. It is only the desktop that locks up, as I can still use SSH to connect and do stuff. After a few lockups, I went back to 15.4 and both these issues stopped. I then returned to 15.5 a few days ago and both problems returned. If there is no resolution soon, I will be forced to return to 15.4 again. Since that hardware module is no longer in Yast, I can't use it to provide hardware info, so I can only read from the box. The motherboard is a Gigabyte H77M-D3M with an i7 CPU.
James Knott composed on 2024-01-23 20:21 (UTC-0500):
Since that hardware module is no longer in Yast, I can't use it to provide hardware info, so I can only read from the box.
The motherboard is a Gigabyte H77M-D3M with an i7 CPU.
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inxi -CSM --vs inxi 3.3.23-00 (2022-10-31) System: Host:linux Kernel:5.14.21-150500.55.44-default arch:x86_64 bits:64 Desktop:KDE Plasma v:5.27.9 Distro:openSUSE Leap 15.5 Machine: Type:Desktop System:Gigabyte product:N/A v:N/A serial:<superuser required> Mobo:Gigabyte model:H77M-D3H serial:<superuser required> UEFI:American Megatrends v:F12 date:11/14/2013 CPU: Info:quad core model:Intel Core i7-3770 bits:64 type:MT MCP cache: L2:1024 KiB Speed (MHz):avg:3145 min/max:1600/3400 cores:1:3293 2:3235 3:3224 4:2667 5:3090 6:3150 7:3292 8:3214 inxi -Gaz Graphics: Device-1:Intel IvyBridge GT2 [HD Graphics 4000] vendor:Gigabyte driver:i915 v:kernel arch:Gen-7 process:Intel 22nm built:2012-13 ports: active:HDMI-A-1 empty:DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-2, VGA-1 bus-ID:00:02.0 chip-ID:8086:0162 class-ID:0300 Device-2:Logitech Webcam C270 type:USB driver:snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo bus-ID:1-1.5:4 chip-ID:046d:0825 class-ID:0102 serial:<filter> Display:x11 server:X.Org v:1.21.1.4 with:Xwayland v:22.1.5 compositor:kwin_x11 driver:X:loaded:modesetting unloaded:fbdev,vesa alternate:intel dri:crocus gpu:i915 display-ID::0 screens:1 Screen-1:0 s-res:1920x1080 s-dpi:96 s-size:508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag:582mm (22.93") Monitor-1:HDMI-A-1 mapped:HDMI-1 model:ASUS VP247 serial:<filter> built:2017 res:1920x1080 hz:60 dpi:94 gamma:1.2 size:521x293mm (20.51x11.54") diag:598mm (23.5") ratio:16:9 modes: max:1920x1080 min:720x400 API:OpenGL v:4.2 Mesa 22.3.5 renderer:Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4000 (IVB GT2) direct render:Yes inxi -nd Network: Device-1:Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet driver:alx IF:eth0 state:up speed:1000 Mbps duplex:full mac:74:d4:35:5b:f5:fa Drives: Local Storage:total:931.51 GiB used:792.12 GiB (85.0%) ID-1:/dev/sda vendor:Western Digital model:WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB size:931.51 GiB Optical-1:/dev/sr0 vendor:PIONEER model:DVD-ROM DVD-106 dev-links:cdrom,dvd Features:speed:40 multisession:yes audio:yes dvd:yes rw:none Optical-2:/dev/sr1 vendor:HL-DT-ST model:DVDRAM GSA-H10N dev-links:N/A Features:speed:48 multisession:yes audio:yes dvd:yes rw:cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749028 15199764 15054160 5325496 8283692 17549264 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428 inxi -Fz System: Kernel:5.14.21-150500.55.44-default arch:x86_64 bits:64 Console:pty pts/2 Distro:openSUSE Leap 15.5 Machine: Type:Desktop Mobo:Gigabyte model:H77M-D3H serial:N/A UEFI:American Megatrends v:F12 date:11/14/2013 CPU: Info:quad core model:Intel Core i7-3770 bits:64 type:MT MCP cache: L2:1024 KiB Speed (MHz):avg:3272 min/max:1600/3400 cores:1:3252 2:3227 3:3292 4:3282 5:3224 6:3352 7:3206 8:3342 Graphics: Device-1:Intel IvyBridge GT2 [HD Graphics 4000] driver:i915 v:kernel Device-2:Logitech Webcam C270 type:USB driver:snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo Display:x11 server:X.Org v:1.21.1.4 with:Xwayland v:22.1.5 driver:X: loaded:modesetting unloaded:fbdev,vesa dri:crocus gpu:i915 resolution:1920x1080~60Hz API:OpenGL v:4.2 Mesa 22.3.5 renderer:Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4000 (IVB GT2) Audio: Device-1:Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio driver:snd_hda_intel Device-2:Logitech Webcam C270 type:USB driver:snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo Sound API:ALSA v:k5.14.21-150500.55.44-default running:yes Sound Server-1:PulseAudio v:15.0 running:yes Sound Server-2:PipeWire v:0.3.64 running:yes Network: Device-1:Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet driver:alx IF:eth0 state:up speed:1000 Mbps duplex:full mac:<filter> RAID: Hardware-1:VIA VT6421 IDE/SATA Controller driver:sata_via Drives: Local Storage:total:931.51 GiB used:792.12 GiB (85.0%) ID-1:/dev/sda vendor:Western Digital model:WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB size:931.51 GiB Partition: ID-1:/ size:19.99 GiB used:8.33 GiB (41.7%) fs:xfs dev:/dev/sda4 ID-2:/boot size:1.99 GiB used:158.2 MiB (7.8%) fs:xfs dev:/dev/sda3 ID-3:/boot/efi size:499.7 MiB used:5 MiB (1.0%) fs:vfat dev:/dev/sda1 ID-4:/home size:852.61 GiB used:781.87 GiB (91.7%) fs:xfs dev:/dev/sda8 ID-5:/opt size:9.99 GiB used:587.2 MiB (5.7%) fs:xfs dev:/dev/sda6 ID-6:/var size:3.99 GiB used:1.15 GiB (28.7%) fs:xfs dev:/dev/sda5 Swap: ID-1:swap-1 type:partition size:32 GiB used:0 KiB (0.0%) dev:/dev/sda2 Sensors: System Temperatures:cpu:35.0 C mobo:N/A Fan Speeds (RPM):N/A Info: Processes:366 Uptime:0h 50m Memory:31.23 GiB used:13.98 GiB (44.8%) Shell:Bash inxi:3.3.23
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Problems with Leap 15.5 KDE Message-ID : <b5e674c8-66f3-4ea8-98a3-be74e17a8a8a@jknott.net> Date & Time: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 20:58:56 -0500 [JK] == James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> has written: [...] JK> inxi -Gaz JK> Graphics: JK> Device-1:Intel IvyBridge GT2 [HD Graphics 4000] vendor:Gigabyte JK> driver:i915 v:kernel arch:Gen-7 process:Intel 22nm built:2012-13 ports: JK> active:HDMI-A-1 empty:DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-2, VGA-1 bus-ID:00:02.0 JK> chip-ID:8086:0162 class-ID:0300 [...] Felix's advice is quintessential. Anyway, I suspect Intel's kernel video driver (i915). How about this? Make the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf with the contents of; Section "Device" Identifier "Intel Graphics" Driver "intel" Option "AccelMethod" "uxa" EndSection then, reboot. Best Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ lake.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "In his book Survival of the Richest, media theorist Douglass Rushkoff describes meeting with a group of billionaire preppers who bombarded him with questions about how best to configure their bunkers to survive the end times." -- Inside Mark Zuckerberg’s Top-Secret Hawaii Compound --
James Knott composed on 2024-01-23 22:00 (UTC-0500):
Masaru Nomiya wrote:
then, reboot.
I don't even get a desktop. I had to delete that file.
You could have tried it again after removing the uxa line, but I strongly suspect yours is not a display driver problem, and such an attempt wouldn't turn out to have been helpful -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/23/24 19:00, James Knott wrote:
On 1/23/24 21:37, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
then, reboot.
I don't even get a desktop. I had to delete that file.
I have no idea if this is related, but I notice you have an Intel graphics adapter, as do I on my MSI motherboard. A week or so ago I did a zypper up after which the graphics system crashed. All I'd get after a reboot was a black screen. I managed to fix it by installing an old Nvidia adapter and loading the correct Nvidia drivers with yast2. So something in a recent Leap 15.5 update borked my Intel graphics adapter. Your symptoms are a bit different, but still. Do you have an old Nvidia board in the closet? Regards, Lew
Lew Wolfgang composed on 2024-01-23 20:29 (UTC-0800):
James Knott wrote:
I don't even get a desktop. I had to delete that file.
I have no idea if this is related, but I notice you have an Intel graphics adapter, as do I on my MSI motherboard. A week or so ago I did a zypper up after which the graphics system crashed. All I'd get after a reboot was a black screen. I managed to fix it by installing an old Nvidia adapter and loading the correct Nvidia drivers with yast2.
So something in a recent Leap 15.5 update borked my Intel graphics adapter. Your symptoms are a bit different, but still. Do you have an old Nvidia board in the closet?
I have a bunch of PCs with Intel graphics only, both newer and older generations than James' 2012 vintage Ivy Bridge[1], each running as many as 3 displays at once as extended desktops. Graphics are a total non-issue with all of them when running 15.5, TW or Slowroll. # inxi -S System: Host: ab560 Kernel: 5.14.21-150500.55.44-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.4 Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.5 # inxi -Gaz Graphics: Device-1: Intel RocketLake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 730] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-12.1 process: Intel 10nm built: 2020-21 ports: active: DP-1,HDMI-A-1,HDMI-A-2 empty: HDMI-A-3 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:4c8b class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: intel dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x558mm (30.00x21.97") s-diag: 944mm (37.18") Monitor-1: DP-1 pos: primary,bottom-l model: Acer K272HUL serial: <filter> built: 2018 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2 size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400 Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: top-left model: NEC EA243WM serial: <filter> built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 Monitor-3: HDMI-A-2 mapped: HDMI-2 pos: top-right model: Dell P2213 serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel iris platforms: device: 0 drv: iris device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: iris surfaceless: drv: iris x11: drv: iris inactive: wayland API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 22.3.5 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel Graphics (RKL GT1) device-ID: 8086:4c8b memory: 29.48 GiB unified: yes # # inxi -S System: Host: gx780 Kernel: 5.14.21-150500.55.44-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE v: 3.5.10 Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.5 # inxi -Gaz Graphics: Device-1: Intel 4 Series Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-5 process: Intel 45nm built: 2008 ports: active: DP-1,VGA-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2e12 class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: intel dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x254mm (30.00x10.00") s-diag: 803mm (31.62") Monitor-1: DP-1 pos: primary,left model: NEC EA243WM serial: <filter> built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 Monitor-2: VGA-1 pos: right model: Dell P2213 serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel crocus platforms: device: 0 drv: crocus device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: crocus surfaceless: drv: crocus x11: drv: crocus inactive: wayland API: OpenGL v: 4.5 compat-v: 2.1 vendor: intel mesa v: 22.3.5 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel Q45/Q43 (ELK) device-ID: 8086:2e12 memory: 1.46 GiB unified: yes # # inxi -S System: Host: msi85 Kernel: 5.14.21-150500.55.44-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.1 Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.5 # inxi -Gaz Graphics: Device-1: Intel 4th Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 process: Intel 22nm built: 2013 ports: active: HDMI-A-1,HDMI-A-2,VGA-1 empty: none bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:041e class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,intel,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3360x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 711x558mm (27.99x21.97") s-diag: 904mm (35.58") Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: top-left model: NEC EA243WM serial: <filter> built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 Monitor-2: HDMI-A-2 mapped: HDMI-2 pos: primary,bottom-l model: Acer K272HUL serial: <filter> built: 2018 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2 size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400 Monitor-3: VGA-1 pos: top-right model: Dell P2213 serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel crocus platforms: device: 0 drv: crocus device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: crocus surfaceless: drv: crocus x11: drv: crocus inactive: wayland API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 22.3.5 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4400 (HSW GT2) device-ID: 8086:041e memory: 1.46 GiB unified: yes #
inxi -S System: Host: gb250 Kernel: 5.14.21-150500.55.44-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE v: 3.5.10 Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.5 inxi -Gaz Graphics: Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 630 vendor: Gigabyte driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9.5 process: Intel 14nm built: 2016-20 ports: active: HDMI-A-2 empty: DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-3 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:5912 class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,intel,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 406x254mm (15.98x10.00") s-diag: 479mm (18.85") Monitor-1: HDMI-A-2 mapped: HDMI-2 model: Samsung SMS24A850 serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 518x324mm (20.39x12.76") diag: 611mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 720x400 API: OpenGL v: 4.6 vendor: intel mesa v: 22.3.5 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.2 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 630 (KBL GT2) device-ID: 8086:5912 memory: 30.08 GiB unified: yes
Do note that none of the 4 above have SDDM installed, are both older and newer than James', and were zypper up'd within the past 5 days. Only one of these has Plasma, but they all have Intel GPUs only. Plasma is doing fine on those I have with AMD or NVidia graphics. [1] <https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/65719/intel-core-i73770-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz/specifications.html> -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Problems with Leap 15.5 KDE Message-ID : <d1d7da26-4d79-0b65-35af-fc34292f290c@earthlink.net> Date & Time: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 02:19:11 -0500 [FM] == Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> has written: FM> Lew Wolfgang composed on 2024-01-23 20:29 (UTC-0800): [...] FM> I have a bunch of PCs with Intel graphics only, both newer and FM> older generations than James' 2012 vintage Ivy Bridge[1], each running FM> as many as 3 displays at once as extended desktops. Graphics are a FM> total non-issue with all of them when running 15.5, TW or Slowroll. [...] FM> Do note that none of the 4 above have SDDM installed, are both FM> older and newer than James', and were zypper up'd within the past 5 FM> days. Only one of these has Plasma, but they all have Intel GPUs FM> only. Plasma is doing fine on those I have with AMD or NVidia graphics. It is well known (at least, in Japan) that problems occur frequently with Intel's drver i915. The reason for this is that i915 is positioned as the overall driver for all video chips. In other words, NVIDIA develops a new driver for every new generation, and this is a major difference between NVIDIA and Intel. This is the reason why I use NVIDIA video cards instead of Intel. This is my basic stance on James' issue. Best Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ lake.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "In his book Survival of the Richest, media theorist Douglass Rushkoff describes meeting with a group of billionaire preppers who bombarded him with questions about how best to configure their bunkers to survive the end times." -- Inside Mark Zuckerberg’s Top-Secret Hawaii Compound --
On 1/24/24 06:12, James Knott wrote:
On 1/24/24 02:55, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
This is the reason why I use NVIDIA video cards instead of Intel.
It's built into the mom board, not a separate card.
So is mine, but the BIOS allows an external board to be selected. Trying an external board is probably a long shot, but it is quite a significant coincidence that you had an Intel problem at the same time I experienced one. I didn't spend much time trying to figure out exactly what happened, I just needed the system up and running asap, and throwing in another graphics board was easy. For the record, I don't recall ever having an issue with any built-in Intel graphics systems. Regards, Lew
On 2024-01-24 08:19, Felix Miata wrote:
Lew Wolfgang composed on 2024-01-23 20:29 (UTC-0800):
James Knott wrote:
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I have a bunch of PCs with Intel graphics only, both newer and older generations than James' 2012 vintage Ivy Bridge[1], each running as many as 3 displays at once as extended desktops. Graphics are a total non-issue with all of them when running 15.5, TW or Slowroll.
I have three machines with Intel graphics, and the one I currently use is a pain. I don't remember about the others (so my current laptop has AMD instead). When I move the mouse, sometimes it leaves a trail of blinking mouse pointers behind. When it gets too much of a nuisance, I have to ctrl-alt-f6, f7, fast. In case you are curious: Isengard:~ # inxi -Gaz Graphics: Device-1: Intel Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-8 process: Intel 14nm built: 2014-15 ports: active: HDMI-A-3 empty: DP-1, DP-2, DP-3, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:22b1 class-ID: 0300 ... There was a bugzilla on it. It is running 15.4, so I expect to update it soonish, but I have to do a few things before. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. composed on 2024-01-27 14:52 (UTC+0100):
I have three machines with Intel graphics, and the one I currently use is a pain. I don't remember about the others (so my current laptop has AMD instead).
When I move the mouse, sometimes it leaves a trail of blinking mouse pointers behind. When it gets too much of a nuisance, I have to ctrl-alt-f6, f7, fast.
In case you are curious:
Isengard:~ # inxi -Gaz Graphics: Device-1: Intel Atom
Atom is a low power SOC class of Intel CPU with a disappointing track record. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Problems with Leap 15.5 KDE Message-ID : <6538ff79-0467-4df2-aae5-a287ffc9153e@jknott.net> Date & Time: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 22:00:22 -0500 [JK] == James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> has written: JK> On 1/23/24 21:37, Masaru Nomiya wrote: MN> > then, reboot. JK> I don't even get a desktop. I had to delete that file. I guess this means i915's kernel mode doesn't work. Felix seems to have a different opinion, but as Lew reports, I suspect the i915 kernel driver. If I were you, 1. replace it with a previous version of the kernel if you can. If you cannot replace the kernel, 2. add nomodeset to the kernel parameter and disable the kernel mode setting of i915. 2-1. edit /etc/default/grub like this; GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash=silent nomodeset ...... 2.2 # grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.config 2-3. reboot Kind Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ lake.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Maddox hopes that empowering users to pick their own algorithms will get them to think more about what’s involved in making them. " -- Bluesky's Custom Algorithms Could Be the Future of Social Media --
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Problems with Leap 15.5 KDE Message-ID : <874jf3qps8.wl-nomiya@lake.dti.ne.jp> Date & Time: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:11:19 +0900 [MN] == Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@lake.dti.ne.jp> has written: [...] MN> 2. add nomodeset to the kernel parameter and disable the kernel MN> mode setting of i915. MN> 2-1. edit /etc/default/grub like this; MN> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash=silent nomodeset ...... MN> 2.2 # grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.config MN> 2-3. reboot I forgot to mention that the 'nomodeset' parameter is to be used until a usable driver appears. It seems to be a big problem at Felix's place.... Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ lake.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Companies have come to view generative AI as a kind of monster that must be fed at all costs―even if it isn’t always clear what exactly that data is needed for or what those future AI systems might end up doing." -- Generative AI Is Making Companies Even More Thirsty for Your Data --
On 1/24/24 00:11, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
2. add nomodeset to the kernel parameter and disable the kernel mode setting of i915.
2-1. edit /etc/default/grub like this;
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash=silent nomodeset ......
2.2 # grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.config
2-3. reboot
Still no desktop.
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 16:36 (UTC-0500):
Masaru Nomiya wrote:
2. add nomodeset to the kernel parameter and disable the kernel mode setting of i915.
2-1. edit /etc/default/grub like this;
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash=silent nomodeset ......
2.2 # grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.config
2-3. reboot
Still no desktop.
With nomodeset in effect, you wouldn't like it even it you got it, @1024x768 or 1280x1024 instead of 1920x1080. Nomodeset blocks the i915 kernel module from loading, which blocks both applicable competent display drivers from use. No desktop ordinarily means your attempt to start a Plasma session failed. It could be taken to mean no login greeter appeared. Where are you at now? Still booting with nomodeset? Nomodeset is for troubleshooting, well short of full X functionality. More troubleshooting follows: After eliminating nomodeset and rebooting, login as root on a tty and do: update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager and select something other than SDDM, such as XDM or LightDM, then restart X or reboot. If working Plasma results, the problem was obvious. If not, could be it's Plasma. Is an IceWM session option available in your login greeter? Does it work? ~/.xsession-errors may be full of errors. Is its size more than 3 digits? You could share it with susepaste. Are any errors evident in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? If you aren't sure, susepaste it and share the URL. This is a typical Xorg.0.log size with Intel graphics and one display in use: # ls -gG /var/log/Xorg.0.log -rw-r--r-- 1 32494 Jan 23 23:47 /var/log/Xorg.0.log # This is a typical size with Intel graphics and three displays in use: # ls -gG /var/log/Xorg.0.log -rw-r--r-- 1 46293 Jan 24 16:54 /var/log/Xorg.0.log # If yours is less than about 20k, probably something is crashing, or you booted with nomodeset applied. If it's missing, it usually means Wayland was used instead of Xorg. In that case, you might find it in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/24/24 17:14, Felix Miata wrote:
No desktop ordinarily means your attempt to start a Plasma session failed. It could be taken to mean no login greeter appeared. Where are you at now? Still booting with nomodeset? Nomodeset is for troubleshooting, well short of full X functionality.
What I get is the no desktop login prompt.
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 17:21 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
No desktop ordinarily means your attempt to start a Plasma session failed. It could be taken to mean no login greeter appeared. Where are you at now? Still booting with nomodeset? Nomodeset is for troubleshooting, well short of full X functionality.
What I get is the no desktop login prompt.
This in overview means one of two things: 1-X11 won't start, so *DM can't start, or 2-X11 works, but your *DM (by default for Plasma installations: SDDM) doesn't Both of these /can/ result from using nomodeset, but usually it doesn't cause #1, and neither #2 for XDM, KDM3, LightDM (I believe), while with recent SDDM versions I suppose it could, and for GDM I have no idea. All of the above is reason behind my previous update-alternatives suggestion. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Problems with Leap 15.5 KDE Message-ID : <e1b6ae73-6dcc-4888-bad8-0d5e849b7824@jknott.net> Date & Time: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:36:07 -0500 [JK] == James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> has written: JK> [1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (7bit)>] MN> On 1/24/24 00:11, Masaru Nomiya wrote: MN> > 2. add nomodeset to the kernel parameter and disable the kernel MN> > mode setting of i915. MN> > 2-1. edit /etc/default/grub like this; MN> > MN> > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash=silent nomodeset ...... MN> > MN> > 2.2 # grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.config MN> > MN> > 2-3. reboot JK> Still no desktop. You have another problem. If you are using SDDM as Felix says, # systemctl stop sddm # rm ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc # systemctl start sddm and you should be good to go. Kind Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ lake.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Maddox hopes that empowering users to pick their own algorithms will get them to think more about what’s involved in making them. " -- Bluesky's Custom Algorithms Could Be the Future of Social Media --
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 20:36 (UTC-0500):
Masaru Nomiya wrote:
If you are using SDDM as Felix says,
I saw Felix's suggestions, but as desktops are not my area of interest, I don't know much about the details. How do I determine if I'm using sddm?
update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager both reports what is installed, and provides opportunity to switch. I suggested as a troubleshooting step. In same manner, you can switch back at any time. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/24/24 20:50, Felix Miata wrote:
I saw Felix's suggestions, but as desktops are not my area of interest, I don't know much about the details. How do I determine if I'm using sddm? update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager
both reports what is installed, and provides opportunity to switch. I suggested as a troubleshooting step. In same manner, you can switch back at any time.
There are 3 choices for the alternative default-displaymanager (providing /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/default -displaymanager). Selection Path Priority Status ------------------------------------------------------------ * 0 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/sddm 25 auto mode 1 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/console 5 manual mode 2 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/sddm 25 manual mode 3 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/xdm 10 manual mode Press <enter> to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number: I picked 3.
On 1/24/24 20:54, James Knott wrote:
Selection Path Priority Status ------------------------------------------------------------ * 0 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/sddm 25 auto mode 1 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/console 5 manual mode 2 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/sddm 25 manual mode 3 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/xdm 10 manual mode
Press <enter> to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number:
I picked 3.
It didn't do anything for the shaking video problem.
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 20:58 (UTC-0500):
James Knott wrote:
Selection Path Priority Status ------------------------------------------------------------ * 0 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/sddm 25 auto mode 1 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/console 5 manual mode 2 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/sddm 25 manual mode 3 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/xdm 10 manual mode
Press <enter> to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number:
I picked 3.
It didn't do anything for the shaking video problem.
But Plasma works, just not OK? Shaking right away, or after some uptime doing useful things? Maybe describe what "shaking" actually presents as? Make a video with a mobile phone if you can. In systemsettings5 > display > compositor, try unchecking enable on startup if it is checked, then restart Plasma to test. If you switch back to SDDM and restart X or reboot, what do you get? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 20:58 (UTC-0500):
It didn't do anything for the shaking video problem.
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1958191> looks like it might be similar to your "shaking". It's worth trying its cmdline options to see if either or both together have a useful impact: i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2 I've seen these suggested elsewhere, but never needed either myself. That bug resulted in this upstream bug that is still open: <https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/5569> Those bugs refer to kernel 5.15, which is nominally different, and modestly newer, than 15.5's 5.14. intel_idle.max_cstate=4 is at least one other suggestion in the newer bug. Others: intel_idle.max_cstate=3 i915.enable_psr=0 intel_iommu=on intel_iommu=off If none of these help with "shaking", I suggest a bug be reported: <https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports> <https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=openSUSE%20Distribution> -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/25/24 19:18, Felix Miata wrote:
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 20:58 (UTC-0500):
It didn't do anything for the shaking video problem. <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1958191> looks like it might be similar to your "shaking". It's worth trying its cmdline options to see if either or both together have a useful impact:
i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
I've seen these suggested elsewhere, but never needed either myself. That bug resulted in this upstream bug that is still open: <https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/5569>
Those bugs refer to kernel 5.15, which is nominally different, and modestly newer, than 15.5's 5.14. intel_idle.max_cstate=4 is at least one other suggestion in the newer bug. Others: intel_idle.max_cstate=3 i915.enable_psr=0 intel_iommu=on intel_iommu=off
If none of these help with "shaking", I suggest a bug be reported: <https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports> <https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=openSUSE%20Distribution>
I'll have to look into that. What kernel is in 15.4? I didn't notice this problem there.
James Knott composed on 2024-01-26 14:53 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 20:58 (UTC-0500):
It didn't do anything for the shaking video problem. <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1958191> looks like it might be similar to your "shaking". It's worth trying its cmdline options to see if either or both together have a useful impact:
i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
I've seen these suggested elsewhere, but never needed either myself. That bug resulted in this upstream bug that is still open: <https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/5569>
Those bugs refer to kernel 5.15, which is nominally different, and modestly newer, than 15.5's 5.14. intel_idle.max_cstate=4 is at least one other suggestion in the newer bug. Others: intel_idle.max_cstate=3 i915.enable_psr=0 intel_iommu=on intel_iommu=off
If none of these help with "shaking", I suggest a bug be reported: <https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports> <https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=openSUSE%20Distribution>
I'll have to look into that. What kernel is in 15.4? I didn't notice this problem there.
5.14.21-150400.24.100 seems to have been 15.4's last. This thread and <https://forums.opensuse.org/t/two-problems-freeze-and-pixel-distortion-and-solutions-for-my-pc-with-i5-12400/171842> apparently overlap. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/25/24 19:18, Felix Miata wrote:
It's worth trying its cmdline options to see if either or both together have a useful impact:
i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
Do you mean boot options, as described here? https://documentation.suse.com/smart/systems-management/html/task-modify-ker...
James Knott composed on 2024-01-26 14:59 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
It's worth trying its cmdline options to see if either or both together have a useful impact:
i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
Do you mean boot options, as described here? https://documentation.suse.com/smart/systems-management/html/task-modify-ker...
Yes indeed! Kernel command line options = cmdline: # cat /proc/cmdline root=LABEL=redact ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=auto # grep root /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 12.152] Kernel command line: root=LABEL=redact ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=auto # dmesg | grep root= [ 0.000000] Command line: root=LABEL=redact ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=auto [ 0.018504] Kernel command line: root=LABEL=redact ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=auto # journalctl -b | grep root= Jan 25 16:51:29 00srv kernel: Command line: root=LABEL=redact ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=auto Jan 25 16:51:29 00srv kernel: Kernel command line: root=LABEL=redact ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=auto # -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/26/24 15:47, James Knott wrote:
On 1/25/24 19:18, Felix Miata wrote:
i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
/etc/default/grub: line 46: i915.enable_dc=0: command not found
I'll see if the other line does anything.
Same thing: /etc/default/grub: line 46: intel_idle.max_cstate=2: command not found
James Knott composed on 2024-01-26 15:48 (UTC-0500):
James Knott wrote: ... <https://documentation.suse.com/smart/systems-management/html/task-modify-kernel-boot-parameter/index.html> ...
On 1/25/24 19:18, Felix Miata wrote:
i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
/etc/default/grub: line 46: i915.enable_dc=0: command not found
I'll see if the other line does anything.
Same thing: /etc/default/grub: line 46: intel_idle.max_cstate=2: command not found
These are not commands one uses in a shell or script. They are triggers for the kernel to do something differently, do something in addition, or not do a particular something. /etc/default/grub is a configuration file. It is used for generating /boot/grub2/grub.cfg when that is necessary. That's for after you have determined that one or more of those parameters needs to be included for every boot. That is that page's section 5. Your object first is to test whether these options help your screen shaking problem. To *test*, you need to use the one time only option from that page's section 4, using the E key at the Grub menu for each such boot. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/26/24 16:04, Felix Miata wrote:
/etc/default/grub is a configuration file. It is used for generating /boot/grub2/grub.cfg when that is necessary. That's for after you have determined that one or more of those parameters needs to be included for every boot. That is that page's section 5.
I get those when after I edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-bootloader --refresh
James Knott composed on 2024-01-26 16:09 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
/etc/default/grub is a configuration file. It is used for generating /boot/grub2/grub.cfg when that is necessary. That's for after you have determined that one or more of those parameters needs to be included for every boot. That is that page's section 5.
I get those when after I edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-bootloader --refresh
You already know which one(s) are helpful/needed? Please show here your /etc/default/grub. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/26/24 16:18, Felix Miata wrote:
You already know which one(s) are helpful/needed?
No, I don't. I normally don't have a reason to get into this stuff.
Please show here your /etc/default/grub.
# If you change this file, run 'grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg' afterwards to update # /boot/grub2/grub.cfg. # Uncomment to set your own custom distributor. If you leave it unset or empty, the default # policy is to determine the value from /etc/os-release GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR= GRUB_DEFAULT=saved GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true GRUB_TIMEOUT=8 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash=silent resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/0f64e8b9-b231-4b82-bb6a-f7b26de760a3 preempt=full mitigations=auto quiet security=apparmor" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" # Uncomment to automatically save last booted menu entry in GRUB2 environment # variable `saved_entry' # GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT="true" #Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs # This works with Linux (no patch required) and with any kernel that obtains # the memory map information from GRUB (GNU Mach, kernel of FreeBSD ...) # GRUB_BADRAM="0x01234567,0xfefefefe,0x89abcdef,0xefefefef" #Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) GRUB_TERMINAL="gfxterm" # The resolution used on graphical terminal #note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE # you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo' GRUB_GFXMODE="auto" # Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux # GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true #Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu entries # GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true" #Uncomment to get a beep at grub start # GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1" GRUB_BACKGROUND= GRUB_THEME=/boot/grub2/themes/openSUSE/theme.txt SUSE_BTRFS_SNAPSHOT_BOOTING="true" GRUB_USE_LINUXEFI="true" GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER="false" GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK="n" GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT="vga=gfx-1024x768x16"
James Knott composed on 2024-01-26 15:48 (UTC-0500):
James Knott wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
/etc/default/grub: line 46: i915.enable_dc=0: command not found
I'll see if the other line does anything.
Same thing: /etc/default/grub: line 46: intel_idle.max_cstate=2: command not found
I get those when after I edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-bootloader --refresh
Please show here your /etc/default/grub.
# If you change this file, run 'grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg' afterwards to update # /boot/grub2/grub.cfg.
# Uncomment to set your own custom distributor. If you leave it unset or empty, the default # policy is to determine the value from /etc/os-release GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR= GRUB_DEFAULT=saved GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true GRUB_TIMEOUT=8 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash=silent resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/0f64e8b9-b231-4b82-bb6a-f7b26de760a3 preempt=full mitigations=auto quiet security=apparmor"
If you wish any of the suggested boot parameters to apply to every boot, you must put it/them within the quotes in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= line.
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" # Uncomment to automatically save last booted menu entry in GRUB2 environment
# variable `saved_entry' # GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT="true" #Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs
# This works with Linux (no patch required) and with any kernel that obtains # the memory map information from GRUB (GNU Mach, kernel of FreeBSD ...) # GRUB_BADRAM="0x01234567,0xfefefefe,0x89abcdef,0xefefefef" #Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
GRUB_TERMINAL="gfxterm" # The resolution used on graphical terminal #note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE
# you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo' GRUB_GFXMODE="auto"
# Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux # GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true #Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu entries # GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"
#Uncomment to get a beep at grub start # GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1"
GRUB_BACKGROUND= GRUB_THEME=/boot/grub2/themes/openSUSE/theme.txt SUSE_BTRFS_SNAPSHOT_BOOTING="true" GRUB_USE_LINUXEFI="true" GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER="false" GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK="n" GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT="vga=gfx-1024x768x16"
Did you modify /etc/default/boot from the default before running update-bootloader --refresh ??? This looks normal, but the line wrapping from your post may have masked some error. If you did change, please show a diff to the original /etc/default/grub file. You may have caused a syntax error to cause that not found error. If you didn't, then something is fouled elsewhere to cause /etc/default/grub: line 46: intel_idle.max_cstate=2: command not found ***** I suggested using experimental parameters on a temporary/per boot basis, part 4 of the URL you found. Off-topic: I use SeaMonkey, from which Thunderbird was forked. It has an extension named Toggle Word Wrap. TB shoud have this too, if not already installed, available for installation. It puts an item in the Options menu to disable wrapping long lines. Please use it if you can when posting any command output or file content containing long lines. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
James Knott composed on 2024-01-26 17:15 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
At the moment, I'm trying to avoid rebooting, to see if it locks up with XDM. Another day or two should do it.
Good. How are free and uptime looking ATM? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/26/24 17:24, Felix Miata wrote:
At the moment, I'm trying to avoid rebooting, to see if it locks up with XDM. Another day or two should do it. Good. How are free and uptime looking ATM? uptime 17:26:18 up 1 day 20:30, 4 users, load average: 2.28, 2.07, 1.98
free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749032 22746284 4202928 12112136 18375048 10002748 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428 It has generally taken 2 or 3 days for the desktop to lock up.
James Knott composed on 2024-01-29 11:34 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
At the moment, I'm trying to avoid rebooting, to see if it locks up with XDM. Another day or two should do it.
Good. How are free and uptime looking ATM?
It just locked up. I'll be going back to sddm.
So it took roughly 3 days. How much free RAM was there before the lockup? When did you last look? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/29/24 13:26, Felix Miata wrote:
So it took roughly 3 days. How much free RAM was there before the lockup? When did you last look?
I didn't check. I just killed the power to reboot. It happens 2 - 3 days. It does not happen with 15.4. To check I'd have to fire up my ThinkPad and ssh in.
On 2024-01-26 22:57, Felix Miata wrote: ...
Off-topic: I use SeaMonkey, from which Thunderbird was forked. It has an extension named Toggle Word Wrap. TB shoud have this too, if not already installed, available for installation. It puts an item in the Options menu to disable wrapping long lines. Please use it if you can when posting any command output or file content containing long lines
No, TB lost that extension. To use it you have to enable invasive/dangerous options. However, James is using html, so there is a better option: format the paragraph as "Preformatted". This means using monospace and no wrap. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
FYI, I didn't mean for you to have repeated every /example/ I provided. James Knott composed on 2024-01-23 20:58 (UTC-0500):
Drives: Local Storage:total:931.51 GiB used:792.12 GiB (85.0%) ID-1:/dev/sda vendor:Western Digital model:WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB size:931.51 GiB
In case you weren't aware, Blue is WD's bottom of its retail line. Whether it has a lesser one for OEM use I don't know, but retail these have only 2 year warranty.
free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749028 15199764 15054160 5325496 8283692 17549264 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428
That's some fairly heavy usage. How long does it take to get that much used? # uptime 23:27:34 up 0:21, 4 users, load average: 0.31, 0.31, 0.27 # free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32299728 4998880 26474472 430840 1664668 27300848 Swap: 0 0 0 #
Partition: ID-1:/ size:19.99 GiB used:8.33 GiB (41.7%) fs:xfs dev:/dev/sda4
Has xfs ever been recommended for a / filesystem? Is your 15.4 also on xfs? Before btrfs, openSUSE default was ext4, which I still use. I just reinstalled 15.5 on my main machine yesterday into this AM after DNS and/or routing trouble deteriorated into cannot login trouble. I think I may have seen some fresh 15.5 trouble in the forums around Friday or Saturday. Maybe it's real and a recent update tricked several of ours into voodoo states. My re-in's been OK so far, but it's still not yet 24 hours, and I only just rebooted after remembering I hadn't zypper up'd yet. I had thought the NET installer I used automatically included updates. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/23/24 23:37, Felix Miata wrote:
free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749028 15199764 15054160 5325496 8283692 17549264 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428 That's some fairly heavy usage. How long does it take to get that much used?
As uptime shows, it's only 21 minutes.
# uptime 23:27:34 up 0:21, 4 users, load average: 0.31, 0.31, 0.27 # free
I don't know where it gets 4 users. There's only me here and my cat and she doesn't use the computer much. 😉
Partition: ID-1:/ size:19.99 GiB used:8.33 GiB (41.7%) fs:xfs dev:/dev/sda4 Has xfs ever been recommended for a / filesystem? Is your 15.4 also on xfs? Before btrfs, openSUSE default was ext4, which I still use.
The format is exactly the same with 15.5 and when I went back to 15.4.
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [01-24-24 13:25]:
On 1/23/24 23:37, Felix Miata wrote:
free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749028 15199764 15054160 5325496 8283692 17549264 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428 That's some fairly heavy usage. How long does it take to get that much used?
As uptime shows, it's only 21 minutes.
# uptime 23:27:34 up 0:21, 4 users, load average: 0.31, 0.31, 0.27 # free
I don't know where it gets 4 users. There's only me here and my cat and she doesn't use the computer much. 😉
"users" will tell you. more than likely you have several xterms open or ssh instances
Partition: ID-1:/ size:19.99 GiB used:8.33 GiB (41.7%) fs:xfs dev:/dev/sda4 Has xfs ever been recommended for a / filesystem? Is your 15.4 also on xfs? Before btrfs, openSUSE default was ext4, which I still use.
The format is exactly the same with 15.5 and when I went back to 15.4.
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On 1/24/24 13:40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I don't know where it gets 4 users. There's only me here and my cat and she doesn't use the computer much. 😉 "users" will tell you. more than likely you have several xterms open or ssh instances
I guess you missed the "😉". Here she is checking out my WiFi access point. 😉
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 13:22 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749028 15199764 15054160 5325496 8283692 17549264 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428
That's some fairly heavy usage. How long does it take to get that much used?
As uptime shows, it's only 21 minutes.
O_O That's a pretty big heap of usage in such a short period. In a small xterm or konsole, open watch free Keep an eye on it so you have an idea how much, or if any, remained free when response slipped away. If you have any of KDE3 installed, instead just do: kcmshell memory Report usage by process in decreasing order of top 10 consumers: smemstat | head -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Felix Miata composed on 2024-01-24 15:18 (UTC-0500):
James Knott composed on 2024-01-24 13:22 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749028 15199764 15054160 5325496 8283692 17549264 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428
That's some fairly heavy usage. How long does it take to get that much used?
As uptime shows, it's only 21 minutes.
O_O That's a pretty big heap of usage in such a short period.
In a small xterm or konsole, open
watch free
Keep an eye on it so you have an idea how much, or if any, remained free when ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ response slipped away. James Knott composed on 2024-01-29 14:00 (UTC-0500):
On 1/29/24 13:26, Felix Miata wrote:
So it took roughly 3 days. How much free RAM was there before the lockup? When did you last look?
I didn't check. I just killed the power to reboot. It happens 2 - 3 days. It does not happen with 15.4. To check I'd have to fire up my ThinkPad and ssh in.
So you wasted a 3 day opportunity to know if RAM exhaustion is the cause. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Carlos E. R. composed on 2024-01-29 22:28 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
So you wasted a 3 day opportunity to know if RAM exhaustion is the cause.
memory exhaustion leaves a trace in the log, of the kernel oopsing and killing apps.
I was thinking in terms of seeing the problem approaching, and investigating where it's going before hitting zero, or crash interruption in the middle of work. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 1/29/24 14:23, Felix Miata wrote:
So you wasted a 3 day opportunity to know if RAM exhaustion is the cause. --
Here's what it currently shows after almost 22 hours: free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749036 16989180 12029932 5752444 9945460 15759856 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428
On 2024-01-30 15:17, James Knott wrote:
On 1/29/24 14:23, Felix Miata wrote:
So you wasted a 3 day opportunity to know if RAM exhaustion is the cause. --
Here's what it currently shows after almost 22 hours: free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 32749036 16989180 12029932 5752444 9945460 15759856 Swap: 33554428 0 33554428
I have a preference for "free -h", because it prints the units :-) cer@Telcontar:~/bin> free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 65766332 25083080 33349844 384896 8453212 40683252 Swap: 104857596 5807132 99050464 cer@Telcontar:~/bin> free -h total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 62Gi 23Gi 31Gi 375Mi 8,1Gi 38Gi Swap: 99Gi 5,5Gi 94Gi cer@Telcontar:~/bin> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2024-01-30 21:34, James Knott wrote:
On 1/30/24 15:27, Carlos E.R. via openSUSE Users wrote:
I have a preference for "free -h", because it prints the units :-)
free -h total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 31Gi 17Gi 9.2Gi 5.7Gi 10Gi 13Gi Swap: 31Gi 0B 31Gi
Why is swap zero bytes? I know it is not needed, but still, after some uptime it tends to have some. (It doesn't cause your problem at all, it is just a curiosity I have; just in case it is disabled somehow) If swap is enabled, when there is an OOM situation the computer becomes (very) slow but doesn't crash immediately, as it moves chunks to swap. If an application is growing slowly in memory without reason, it tends to occupy more swap. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On dinsdag 30 januari 2024 22:41:05 CET Carlos E.R. via openSUSE Users wrote:
Why is swap zero bytes? I know it is not needed, but still, after some uptime it tends to have some. Eh, my 4.5 year old Tuxedo has a 2 GB swap, 32 GB of RAM and swap is still (and has always been) 0
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
On 1/30/24 17:05, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
On dinsdag 30 januari 2024 22:41:05 CET Carlos E.R. via openSUSE Users wrote:
Why is swap zero bytes? I know it is not needed, but still, after some uptime it tends to have some. Eh, my 4.5 year old Tuxedo has a 2 GB swap, 32 GB of RAM and swap is still (and has always been) 0
I go back to the pre swap days, when overlays were used. This system had a head per track disk where portions of the program were stored and copied into memory as required. This was on Data General Nova computers and they had a HUGE 256K or 512K disk! Yep, that's right, a 1/4 or 1/2 meg disk, though that was 16 bit words, not 8 bit bytes. Later systems I worked on, Data General Eclipse had memory bank switching, what was called expanded memory in the PC world. Later on, I was working with virtual memory on VAX 11/780 computers.
On 2024-01-30 23:24, James Knott wrote:
On 1/30/24 17:05, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
On dinsdag 30 januari 2024 22:41:05 CET Carlos E.R. via openSUSE Users wrote:
Why is swap zero bytes? I know it is not needed, but still, after some uptime it tends to have some. Eh, my 4.5 year old Tuxedo has a 2 GB swap, 32 GB of RAM and swap is still (and has always been) 0
I go back to the pre swap days, when overlays were used.
Yeah, I remember overlays in MsDOS. I used them in my own programs in TPascal. And other tricks. I wrote a program at work which would offload itself except a stub (to disk or enhanced/extended ram) to allow loading of another program. It was the only way. So there was a small master which would display the menu, and then load sections, transferring needed data via disk files. And sometimes the whole thing would crash. The client would ask, I would shrug. O tempora, o mores! -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2024-30-01 19:16:13 James Knott wrote:
On 1/30/24 17:49, Carlos E.R. via openSUSE Users wrote:
Yeah, I remember overlays in MsDOS.
I started working on that Nova system at the end of 1977, almost 4 years before there was such a thing as MS-DOS.
Those were the days... My first job was with Miami's Dade County government. Their IBM S/360 computer, which supported agencies county-wide, had 64K of memory. Application programs were limited to 52K; the remaining 8K was reserved for the operating system (OS/360). Large applications used overlays; virtual storage was yet to come. When we upgraded to a S/370 and OS/VS2 R1 with virtual storage, the large FORTRAN program (more than one box of punch cards, enormous for a FORTRAN program) that the agency I worked at unloaded its overlays and found that it took up about 760K! a monster. :-) Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 - x86_64
On 1/30/24 16:41, Carlos E.R. via openSUSE Users wrote:
Why is swap zero bytes? I know it is not needed, but still, after some uptime it tends to have some.
(It doesn't cause your problem at all, it is just a curiosity I have; just in case it is disabled somehow)
No, I don't have it disabled, at least not that I'm aware of. Given how much free memory I have, I suspect swap hasn't been written to.
On 1/30/24 15:27, Carlos E.R. via openSUSE Users wrote:
I have a preference for "free -h", because it prints the units :-)
uptime 06:37:16 up 4 days 19:07, 5 users, load average: 1.40, 2.49, 2.34 free -h total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 31Gi 26Gi 3.3Gi 14Gi 16Gi 4.3Gi Swap: 31Gi 943Mi 31Gi
James Knott composed on 2024-02-03 06:54 (UTC-0500):
uptime 06:37:16 up 4 days 19:07, 5 users, load average: 1.40, 2.49, 2.34
free -h total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 31Gi 26Gi 3.3Gi 14Gi 16Gi 4.3Gi Swap: 31Gi 943Mi 31Gi
uptime 11:13:11 up 8 days 13:21, 4 users, load average: 0.27, 0.42, 0.47 free -h total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 30Gi 14Gi 8.2Gi 1.4Gi 10Gi 16Gi Swap: 0B 0B 0B inxi -Sz System: Kernel: 5.14.21-150500.55.44-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE v: 3.5.10 Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.5
-- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
James Knott composed on 2024-02-03 06:54 (UTC-0500):
uptime 06:37:16 up 4 days 19:07, 5 users, load average: 1.40, 2.49, 2.34
free -h total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 31Gi 26Gi 3.3Gi 14Gi 16Gi 4.3Gi Swap: 31Gi 943Mi 31Gi
uptime 11:13:11 up 8 days 13:21, 4 users, load average: 0.27, 0.42, 0.47 free -h total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 30Gi 14Gi 8.2Gi 1.4Gi 10Gi 16Gi Swap: 0B 0B 0B inxi -Sz System: Kernel: 5.14.21-150500.55.44-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE v: 3.5.10 Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.5
Virtual desktops: 8, with each browser window on a separate virtual desktop SeaMonkey: 2 profiles; 2 browser windows; 1 email window; 1 chat window Firefox: 1 window Chromium: 1 window Pale Moon: 1 window Konsole: 2 windows, 10 tabs, of which 2 MC Xterm: 2 windows Gwenview: 1 window KSIRC: 1 window, 2 tabs File Commander: 1 window total browser tabs: far too many to count; estimated: at least 200
ps -A | grep chrome | wc -l 95 ps -A | grep -v chrome | wc -l 240 ps -A | grep monk | wc -l 2 ps -A | grep moon | wc -l 1 ps -A | grep fox | wc -l 1 -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
There should be an second kernel installed by default. Can you boot with the older kernel in Grub? Not with Leap 15.4 . xfs is/was standard as filesystem for /home for some time. Stephan Am Mittwoch, 24. Januar 2024, 02:21:32 CET schrieb James Knott:
In addition to the "shaking" video problem I mentioned earlier, there is another severe problem. After 2 or 3 days, my desktop will lock up solid and the only way out is to kill the power. It is only the desktop that locks up, as I can still use SSH to connect and do stuff. After a few lockups, I went back to 15.4 and both these issues stopped. I then returned to 15.5 a few days ago and both problems returned. If there is no resolution soon, I will be forced to return to 15.4 again.
Since that hardware module is no longer in Yast, I can't use it to provide hardware info, so I can only read from the box.
The motherboard is a Gigabyte H77M-D3M with an i7 CPU.
On 1/24/24 03:34, Stephan Hemeier via openSUSE Users wrote:
There should be an second kernel installed by default. Can you boot with the older kernel in Grub? Not with Leap 15.4 .
These problems have been since the first install of 15.5, so whatever was the original kernel has the problem. Also, I recently saw a new kernel for my ThinkPad, but don't recall one for this system.
Stephan Hemeier Users composed on 2024-01-24 09:34 (UTC+0100):
xfs is/was standard as filesystem for /home for some time.
James has 6 partitions shown in his inxi output: 1 VFAT/ESP, 1 swap, the rest XFS. When was XFS ever recommended for /, /var, /boot or /opt use? Is it likely a 4G (XFS) /var could become a problem in a young installation? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
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