RE: [SLE] Fundamental differences
The point is.... that M$ is bad software... or are the users trying to tweak the software.... I personally have my kids on a windows 98 machine... they beat on that machine... they download things from the net, they get tons of trash... and the system still runs good. I keep threaten to put them on Linux... but I am afraid that they will learn the "rm -r * /" command. :) -- Kirk Moore EPM - Release Management environments - STL's 425-965-6543 (desk) 425-797-9092 (pager) Black holes are created when God divides by zero!
---------- From: Jack Barnett[SMTP:jbarnett@axil.netmate.com] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 1:34 PM To: Thomas, Gregory (NBC, KNBC); SuSE English Subject: Re: [SLE] Fundamental differences
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Well, for the desktop Win2k only costs ~$150 for an upgrade
Yes, but you can't upgrade from 95/98 to W2k atleast that is what my MS sales consultant told me. First you must own WinNT4.0 easily from $200-$1000 for the full version. To upgrade to aw2k with a 5 client license it is $359.00 or $89.95 "competive" upgrade version (which requires a full version of WinNT 4.0).
Microsoft AW2k is currently going for $3,999.00 for 25 clients.
and Win95, etc.
Win95/98 can be had for ~$80 a peice.
Ok, so I was off a litte. But my point was being a Linux workstation and/or server is a lot more cheaper than any MS product and offers just as good, if not better stability.
are included in the upgrade path. Before I dropped MS products from my desktop completely I only used NT. The unsupported apps and hardware were a minor inconvenience compared to the benefits of the much greater stability of NT. But now I use an even more stable OS at home.
Everyone complains about MS spreading FUD but 1) above is quite abit of FUD.
It is not FUD, it is was a mistake on my part. 1) ok so they aren't THAT costly. 2) but Linux is STILL cheaper
Greg
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The point is.... that M$ is bad software... or are the users trying to tweak the software....
I personally have my kids on a windows 98 machine... they beat on that machine... they download things from >the net, they get tons of trash... and
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From: EXT-Moore, Kirk W
afraid that they will learn the "rm -r * /" command. :)
Even if they do learn "rm -rf /" they will get a premission denied, unless you gave them your root password(which way would they need it??). If you have a strong security policy on your bios and within Linux, it would be a challenge for your kids to wreck the system (hint disable boot from floppy on password protect bios and only let root mount drives). Unless your kids take the machine apart and swap the hard drive into another machine (hint encrypted fs) they would be pressed to find a way to screw it up. Then again, if you kids learn fdisk or format in windows9*, that little hole could wreck both windows _and_ the linux parts.
-- Kirk Moore EPM - Release Management environments - STL's 425-965-6543 (desk) 425-797-9092 (pager)
Black holes are created when God divides by zero!
---------- From: Jack Barnett[SMTP:jbarnett@axil.netmate.com] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 1:34 PM To: Thomas, Gregory (NBC, KNBC); SuSE English Subject: Re: [SLE] Fundamental differences
[snip]
Well, for the desktop Win2k only costs ~$150 for an upgrade
Yes, but you can't upgrade from 95/98 to W2k atleast that is what my MS sales consultant told me. First you must own WinNT4.0 easily from $200-$1000 for the full version. To upgrade to aw2k with a 5 client
license
it is $359.00 or $89.95 "competive" upgrade version (which requires a full version of WinNT 4.0).
Microsoft AW2k is currently going for $3,999.00 for 25 clients.
and Win95, etc.
Win95/98 can be had for ~$80 a peice.
Ok, so I was off a litte. But my point was being a Linux workstation and/or server is a lot more cheaper than any MS product and offers just as good, if not better stability.
are included in the upgrade path. Before I dropped MS products from my desktop completely I only used NT. The unsupported apps and hardware were a minor inconvenience compared to the benefits of the much greater stability of NT. But now I use an even more stable OS at home.
Everyone complains about MS spreading FUD but 1) above is quite abit of FUD.
It is not FUD, it is was a mistake on my part. 1) ok so they aren't THAT costly. 2) but Linux is STILL cheaper
Greg
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Even if they do learn "rm -rf /" they will get a premission denied, unless you gave them your root password(which way would they need it??). If you have a strong security policy on your bios and within Linux, it would be a challenge for your kids to wreck the system (hint disable boot from floppy on password protect bios and only let root mount drives). Unless your kids take the machine apart and swap the hard drive into another machine (hint encrypted fs) they would be pressed to find a way to screw it up.
Just make sure that they dont know where the cmos battery is. Unplug the batt and plug it back in .... bye bye password protection. -- 100% MS FREE Absolutely no component of Microsoft was used in the generation or posting of this e-mail. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Even if they do learn "rm -rf /" they will get a premission denied,
unless
you gave them your root password(which way would they need it??). If you have a strong security policy on your bios and within Linux, it would be a challenge for your kids to wreck the system (hint disable boot from floppy on password protect bios and only let root mount drives). Unless your kids take the machine apart and swap the hard drive into another machine (hint encrypted fs) they would be pressed to find a way to screw it up.
Just make sure that they dont know where the cmos battery is. Unplug the batt and plug it back in .... bye bye password protection.
If you are really concerned that your kids are out to destory you system, you can get those steal lock rack mount cases, those things are like safes, in fact you could even create a custom case from a safe. Just hope they don't find the blow torch in the garage... :) You could also put a drop of hot glue on the cmos battery, sure they could still get it out, but you would be able to tell that it was removed. Also video cams all around the house. DOD Red Book 2, B1 security for your kids :)
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