re[2]: [SLE] SUSE LINUX ENTERPRISE DESKTOP SLATED FOR JUNE
IANAL but, Per the GPL, source has to be included, or available upon request for the cost of duplication. It is only non-GPLed code (i.e. like Yast) where anyone can restrict source access. If your curious about source availability, the GPL is very strict. Internal changes for internal use can be proprietary, but once you ship the executable to external users, you MUST provide access to the source under its own GPL license. BTW: In my opinion, the most significant single achievement of the OpenSource effort is the GPL and its acceptance.
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Is all source for SuSE specific mods included with the release?
Kind regards,
Simon
Fred A. Miller wrote: | SUSE LINUX ENTERPRISE DESKTOP SLATED FOR JUNE | | (Source: InfoWorld.com) SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, which | is in beta testing phase now, will cost $129 per desktop, | although discounts would apply to high-volume purchases. | | http://www.linuxworld.com/go.cgi?id=742135 |
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, Thanks for the feedback. But I am still somewhat puzzled because: It seems like the source for Enterprise Server is not available for anonymous download. Patches for Enterprise Server do not appear to be available for anonymous download. So do I have to "request" the media or what? Maybe I am just looking in the wrong place? Without wishing to be pedantic, I think RMS would take exception to OpenSource and GPL being mentioned in the same sentance! Kind regards, Simon Greg Freemyer wrote: | IANAL but, | | Per the GPL, source has to be included, or available upon request for the cost of duplication. | | It is only non-GPLed code (i.e. like Yast) where anyone can restrict source access. | | If your curious about source availability, the GPL is very strict. | | Internal changes for internal use can be proprietary, but once you ship the executable to external users, you MUST provide access to the source under its own GPL license. | | BTW: In my opinion, the most significant single achievement of the OpenSource effort is the GPL and its acceptance. | | >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | >> Hash: SHA1 | | >> Is all source for SuSE specific mods included with the release? | | >> Kind regards, | | >> Simon | | | >> Fred A. Miller wrote: | >> | SUSE LINUX ENTERPRISE DESKTOP SLATED FOR JUNE | >> | | >> | (Source: InfoWorld.com) SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, which | >> | is in beta testing phase now, will cost $129 per desktop, | >> | although discounts would apply to high-volume purchases. | >> | | >> | http://www.linuxworld.com/go.cgi?id=742135 | >> | | | >> - -- | | >> Simon JF Heaton <simon.heaton@softwareag.co.uk> | >> Principal Technical Consultant | >> Software AG UK Ltd. | >> Tel: +44(0) 1332 611000 | >> Signature Fpr: 465D 6534 0768 B3EA C564 471B 0BD0 55CB D338 E1DA | >> Encryption Fpr: 94E2 65D9 2473 D1BD 0374 BB22 30E8 7603 731F 6D82 | >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- | >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) | >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org | | >> iD8DBQE+jVTUC9BVy9M44doRAgspAKDGGtNMOzSwOatCVgG19VhxSkjQTQCfbUwJ | >> v0yx8IZW0oWiwihNJ1ub8aU= | >> =cqC/ | >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | | | >> -- | >> Check the headers for your unsubscription address | >> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com | >> Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com | >> Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com - -- Simon JF Heaton <simon.heaton@softwareag.co.uk> Principal Technical Consultant Software AG UK Ltd. Tel: +44(0) 1332 611000 Signature Fpr: 465D 6534 0768 B3EA C564 471B 0BD0 55CB D338 E1DA Encryption Fpr: 94E2 65D9 2473 D1BD 0374 BB22 30E8 7603 731F 6D82 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+kVgIC9BVy9M44doRAilSAKCd7cSZdBIZ9ULOBPaEi4fmx7ajoQCcDHTF /LUGhTLXEqSOxHcCvLF0zf0= =nLDy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
* Simon Heaton; <simon.heaton@softwareag.co.uk> on 07 Apr, 2003 wrote:
It seems like the source for Enterprise Server is not available for anonymous download.
Well it depends on what you mean. The parts of software that make the product are available on the net like kernel, dhcp, glibc etc...
Patches for Enterprise Server do not appear to be available for anonymous download.
You have to go to the roots ( meaning particular programs web/ftp server
So do I have to "request" the media or what? Maybe I am just looking in the wrong place?
You have to *buy* the product which then you will also have the sources and the patches available. The product is the mix of the packages integrated with an installer and an application to use various parts of the system for management (YaST). So overall your approach to GPL is wrong in my opinion -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hmmm. I thought I had a reasonable understanding of the GPL, maybe not .... ? Well after checking back to the GNU site I see that I clearly did not fully understand the GPL. I think that as far as my original query goes, the GPLishness of the Enterprise Server really comes into it's own once I have purchased a copy. Thanks for all replies. Kind regards, Simon Togan Muftuoglu wrote: | * Simon Heaton; <simon.heaton@softwareag.co.uk> on 07 Apr, 2003 wrote: | |> It seems like the source for Enterprise Server is not available for |> anonymous download. | | | Well it depends on what you mean. The parts of software that make the | product are available on the net like kernel, dhcp, glibc etc... | |> Patches for Enterprise Server do not appear to be available for |> anonymous download. | | | You have to go to the roots ( meaning particular programs web/ftp server | |> |> So do I have to "request" the media or what? Maybe I am just looking |> in the wrong place? | | | You have to *buy* the product which then you will also have the sources | and the patches available. The product is the mix of the packages | integrated with an installer and an application to use various parts of | the system for management (YaST). | | So overall your approach to GPL is wrong in my opinion | - -- Simon JF Heaton <simon.heaton@softwareag.co.uk> Principal Technical Consultant Software AG UK Ltd. Tel: +44(0) 1332 611000 Signature Fpr: 465D 6534 0768 B3EA C564 471B 0BD0 55CB D338 E1DA Encryption Fpr: 94E2 65D9 2473 D1BD 0374 BB22 30E8 7603 731F 6D82 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+kZnkC9BVy9M44doRAkidAJ9PfZiOx1OkZSVIG5n2M9JvKek7gQCfSmQU XJeiw2pHyf9PesTeCveP3b8= =JPDV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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