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Eric

5 Apr 2003 5 Apr '03

15:08

Use QMAIL! I have had great experiences with this program and am really starting to like all of DJB's programs he writes. Its very secure, fixes many problems other MTA's have, and is written in such a way that many things can be done to mail as they are passed along by 3rd party tools. Virus scan, spam filtering, header checks, you name it. I have seen way too many vulnerabilities for Sendmail and other servers but none for qmail. Its a rock also, I never have to worry about it going down unless my whole linux machine is taken down. DJB is a very talented programmer. Furthermore the configuration fiules are very straightforward and very user-editable with any text editing tool unlike Sendmail. Qmail can handle SMTP, and deliver mail locally with ease but POP3 support can be through a 3rd party program or the bundled one. I think the bundled one was a little awkward o set up, but once i did, it works just as good as the rest of the program suite. IMHO...use qmail. On a side note, DJB DNS is also much better than ISC Bind. On Saturday 05 April 2003 02:59 am, James Ogley wrote:

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All that software is free as in no cost (ie you can do an FTP install of SuSE if you want, and i won't cost you a penny), and I think with the exception of qpopper, because I'm not fully aware of the terms of it's license, although it's source is distributed, it's all Free too.

I just had a read through the Qpopper license, and I think it probably doesn't meet the FSF's definition of free as there are some restrictions on the freedom to modify and distribute modifications ,but otherwise it's cool. Portions of the code are owned by UCB, although it doesn't appear that they're under a BSD style license.

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Radu Voicu

5 Apr 5 Apr

18:28

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Hi there! Eric... do you REALLY think is it wise for someone who NEVER worked with Linux before to mess with qmail?!??! Trust me, I would never do that instead of him... and I am into Linux by 6 years now... why don't you let him use Postfix www.postfix.org or, even better, xmail www.xmail.org Basically, what you tell him is: Why keep it simple when you can do it SOOO complicated? Regards, Radu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [SLE] Ignorant windoze user question re linux mail server Use QMAIL! I have had great experiences with this program and am really starting to like all of DJB's programs he writes. Its very secure, fixes many problems other MTA's have, and is written in such a way that many things can be done to mail as they are passed along by 3rd party tools. Virus scan, spam filtering, header checks, you name it. I have seen way too many vulnerabilities for Sendmail and other servers but none for qmail. Its a rock also, I never have to worry about it going down unless my whole linux machine is taken down. DJB is a very talented programmer. Furthermore the configuration fiules are very straightforward and very user-editable with any text editing tool unlike Sendmail. Qmail can handle SMTP, and deliver mail locally with ease but POP3 support can be through a 3rd party program or the bundled one. I think the bundled one was a little awkward o set up, but once i did, it works just as good as the rest of the program suite. IMHO...use qmail. On a side note, DJB DNS is also much better than ISC Bind. On Saturday 05 April 2003 02:59 am, James Ogley wrote:

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All that software is free as in no cost (ie you can do an FTP install of SuSE if you want, and i won't cost you a penny), and I think with the exception of qpopper, because I'm not fully aware of the terms of it's license, although it's source is distributed, it's all Free too.

I just had a read through the Qpopper license, and I think it probably doesn't meet the FSF's definition of free as there are some restrictions on the freedom to modify and distribute modifications ,but otherwise it's cool. Portions of the code are owned by UCB, although it doesn't appear that they're under a BSD style license.

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Eric

6 Apr 6 Apr

01:32

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OK ok. Think what you want, however, if he is doing it for a business it would be wise to pick the most stable and secure solution. Start with the defailt sendmail/postfix whatever you feel like, but I still recommend you put together a qmail box sometime in the future.

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Basically, what you tell him is: Why keep it simple when you can do it SOOO complicated? If he wants it simple he would still be using his microsoft server. He wants it reliable, secure and free, so he's chosing Linux.

Spend a few days experimenting with a qmail box before taking down your Windows mail solution then. IMHO you should at least TRY to use qmail. If that fails then go with Postfix/Sendmail/Qpopper rpm's or whatnot. On Saturday 05 April 2003 12:28 pm, Radu Voicu wrote:

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Hi there!

Eric... do you REALLY think is it wise for someone who NEVER worked with Linux before to mess with qmail?!??!

Trust me, I would never do that instead of him... and I am into Linux by 6 years now... why don't you let him use Postfix www.postfix.org or, even better, xmail www.xmail.org

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Regards, Radu

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [SLE] Ignorant windoze user question re linux mail server

Use QMAIL! I have had great experiences with this program and am really starting to like all of DJB's programs he writes. Its very secure, fixes many problems other MTA's have, and is written in such a way that many things can be done to mail as they are passed along by 3rd party tools. Virus scan, spam filtering, header checks, you name it. I have seen way too many vulnerabilities for Sendmail and other servers but none for qmail. Its a rock also, I never have to worry about it going down unless my whole linux machine is taken down. DJB is a very talented programmer. Furthermore the configuration fiules are very straightforward and very user-editable with any text editing tool unlike Sendmail. Qmail can handle SMTP, and deliver mail locally with ease but POP3 support can be through a 3rd party program or the bundled one. I think the bundled one was a little awkward o set up, but once i did, it works just as good as the rest of the program suite. IMHO...use qmail. On a side note, DJB DNS is also much better than ISC Bind.

On Saturday 05 April 2003 02:59 am, James Ogley wrote:

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All that software is free as in no cost (ie you can do an FTP install of SuSE if you want, and i won't cost you a penny), and I think with the exception of qpopper, because I'm not fully aware of the terms of it's license, although it's source is distributed, it's all Free too.

I just had a read through the Qpopper license, and I think it probably doesn't meet the FSF's definition of free as there are some restrictions on the freedom to modify and distribute modifications ,but otherwise it's cool. Portions of the code are owned by UCB, although it doesn't appear that they're under a BSD style license.

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7 Apr 7 Apr

06:57

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Thanks to everyone who commented on my original query. You've given me a lot of options to investigate. Cheers Evan Morris evan@exclusivebooks.com Tel: +27 11 792 2777 Fax: +27 11 792 2711 Cell: +27 82 926 3630

Brad Shelton

16:14

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On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 07:32:05PM -0600, Eric wrote:

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OK ok. Think what you want, however, if he is doing it for a business it would be wise to pick the most stable and secure solution. Start with the defailt sendmail/postfix whatever you feel like, but I still recommend you put together a qmail box sometime in the future.

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Basically, what you tell him is: Why keep it simple when you can do it SOOO complicated? If he wants it simple he would still be using his microsoft server. He wants it reliable, secure and free, so he's chosing Linux.

Spend a few days experimenting with a qmail box before taking down your Windows mail solution then. IMHO you should at least TRY to use qmail. If that fails then go with Postfix/Sendmail/Qpopper rpm's or whatnot.

On Saturday 05 April 2003 12:28 pm, Radu Voicu wrote:

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Hi there!

Eric... do you REALLY think is it wise for someone who NEVER worked with Linux before to mess with qmail?!??!

Trust me, I would never do that instead of him... and I am into Linux by 6 years now... why don't you let him use Postfix www.postfix.org or, even better, xmail www.xmail.org

I would respectfully add, if you're thinking qmail, do it now rather than later. The deeper you get into sendmail-like theology and structure, the more difficult switching to qmail is going to be, whereas the converse is not as true. Making one switch to one new technology (from the familiarity point of view) is better than making several switches. qmail is the way to go for security and reliability, as far as I'm concerned. That's my opinion. Good luck, whichever way you choose. -- Brad Shelton On Line Exchange http://ole.net Phone: 313-526-1111 Fax: 313-526-3333

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