On 5/11/2010 2:44 AM, Pavol Rusnak wrote:

On 05/11/2010 07:12 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates, Pavol:

xfce (xfwm4) is missing from the X11/xfce repo. Everything else is there, just not the desktop. Any idea where it can be found? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Please use opensuse-xfce@opensuse.org for Xfce related questions, thanks. The problem might get fixed after the rebuild, but remember that it is getting harder and harder to build recent releases of Xfce for 11.0 (because of old GTK stack)

Oh good grief...It's so annoying having to actually subscribe to yet another mail list that you will only ever ask one little question on every time you have any question about anything. Why isn't mv preserving ownerships? join the mv mail list.... how many apps and scripts and packages and libraries are there? The answer is really to join mail lists for all of them for every dinky passing generic non-in-depth question? If there were only some generic, non-specific mail lists where people could ask generic questions because they are not XFooWidget developers, it's just one of the zillion other things they use in a day and today one of their zillion questions happens to touch it. Wait... There ARE such lists, and he DID ask just such a generic question, ON such a list. If there are going to be a zillion microscopically targeted lists, and every question is going to be re-directed at them, then they need to be more effortless and immediate to access. If you could google up a web interface to joe-random-executable-list and post a question to it immediately with no registration or with only one registration for an entire site that aggregated all lists, THEN it would be reasonable to direct every question at it's most highly targeted list. Until then, these general lists are not inappropriate places to ask at least the initial questions. If the question turns out to be non-trivial, well the person can not be expected to know that so the initial question at least is not inappropriate, and then it's not unreasonable to answer the initial question by directing all further discussion where it will do the most good. But a simple packaging question like this? Come on. I'm commenting on the trend, a growing universal problem, not on xfce or yourself please believe me. For one thing, you did answer his question directly and only added the pointer, not answered with only the pointer. This applies to the plethora of community self-help web forums too. They shoot themselves in the foot being so fragmented and each requiring registration to post. Many times I am googling for one thing, and I turn up many past discussions on similar or related topics, and I'll see people groping around and guessing and giving each other completely WRONG advice about something that I happen to know the facts inside and out. If it were possible to immediately hit reply and post, I would take the minute or two to jot down the secret key they are missing and clear up so much mystery and struggle with one sentence, which would help the next googler of that topic even if that particular thread were old and the people involved probably moved on. But I'm not going to register for every random web site that turns up just for that. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White wrote:

Oh good grief...It's so annoying having to actually subscribe to yet another mail list that you will only ever ask one little question on every time you have any question about anything.

+1 Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2010-05-14 at 19:29 +0200, Pavol Rusnak wrote:

On 05/11/2010 08:50 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

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Oh good grief...It's so annoying having to actually subscribe to yet another mail list that you will only ever ask one little question on every time you have any question about anything.

Sorry, that's how the project works. Most of developers don't have time to scan through this general list.

You just have to create a filter that triggers on some keywords, and jump into the conversation. I know of at least one of your colleagues that must be doing just that, missing very few threads pertaining to his "job". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkvtrfEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UYewCfR2pl1e/AjWJXTu7FPG6rgL4D vScAn3crLjgeIenWid1EhvzXsoIq/CRf =Whi5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org