On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

On 1/2/2012 5:13 AM, Dmitry A. Ashkadov wrote:

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Hello!

I have installed openSUSE 12.1 and replaced default repositories with "tumbleweed:standard" repository and "current" repositories. Many OBS repositories haven't tumbleweed version (folder "tumbleweed"), so what repository should I use for 12.1 or factory?

don't use tumbleweed

I know Brian doesn't like tumbleweed for various valid reasons, but even if you like it tumbleweed targets a unusual user. One that is adventurous enough to want the latest "stable" versions of the major packages and kernel, but one not so adventurous they want to start adding secondary repositories. I used tumbleweed for 11.3 and 11.4 primarily because I wanted to have the latest kernel. I no longer need to keep a step ahead on the kernel, so I doubt I use tumbleweed for 12.1 So for me anyway, it is the tumbleweed kernel which draws me in. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Dmitry A. Ashkadov wrote:

Reinstalling of openSUSE on 4 machines every 8 months is a nightmare!

Why? Set your repos to point to the newly created virtual current repos: sudo zypper ar --refresh \ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/ \ 'openSUSE Current OSS' sudo zypper ar --refresh \ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/ \ 'openSUSE Current non-OSS' sudo zypper ar --refresh \ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/ \ 'openSUSE Current updates' Then run zypper dup on each machine when a you want to upgrade. Adding the tumbleweed repo to that just means you have to invoke zypper dup more often if you want to get the tumbleweed updates. It certainly doesn't simplify things. Note, even with tumbleweed, when the underlying repos behind the virtual current repos are replaced with the next release, the zypper dup will take a long time and basically every package will be updated.

Some OBS repositories have special version "tumbleweed" (folder). May I add them or "don't use tumbleweed"?

If they exist, then they are compiled against the tumbleweed repo, so if you're using tumbleweed, you definitely want to use them. The more difficult question is if you should use 12.1 or factory for instance. I'm not sure there is a consistent answer to that. It is going to vary based on the repo and your needs.

I don't understand for what purpose the repository "Tumbleweed:standard" ( http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard ) has been created. It contains only some packages and LibreOffice has been removed from it.

The Tumbleweed repo only holds the deltas between the current full release (12.1) and what's in tumbleweed. That's why you are supposed to have the 3 repos I show above, plus the tumbleweed repo. When a new release comes out, the "current" repos are pointed at the new release and the tumbleweed repo is cleared back to zero. Then as new packages become ready that are newer than what is in the base release, they are added to the tumbleweed repo. Just before a new release, tumbleweed may have a large number of updated packages in it. As it happens 12.1 just came out 6 weeks or so ago, then there was the holidays. Thus not much is in tumbleweed yet as far as I know: Note that only Greg KH adds packages to tumbleweed as far as I know. So even if there are new libre office packages available, if he's been out for vacation, nothing got added to tumbleweed while he was out. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 1/4/2012 4:35 PM, Dmitry A. Ashkadov wrote:

04.01.2012 02:18, Greg Freemyer пишет:

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On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

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On 1/2/2012 5:13 AM, Dmitry A. Ashkadov wrote:

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Hello!

I have installed openSUSE 12.1 and replaced default repositories with "tumbleweed:standard" repository and "current" repositories. Many OBS repositories haven't tumbleweed version (folder "tumbleweed"), so what repository should I use for 12.1 or factory?

don't use tumbleweed I know Brian doesn't like tumbleweed for various valid reasons, but even if you like it tumbleweed targets a unusual user.

One that is adventurous enough to want the latest "stable" versions of the major packages and kernel, but one not so adventurous they want to start adding secondary repositories.

I used tumbleweed for 11.3 and 11.4 primarily because I wanted to have the latest kernel. I no longer need to keep a step ahead on the kernel, so I doubt I use tumbleweed for 12.1

So for me anyway, it is the tumbleweed kernel which draws me in.

Greg

Reinstalling of openSUSE on 4 machines every 8 months is a nightmare!

Just for the record, I Agree! Tumbleweed the idea is fine. Tumbleweed the actuality is not what it claims or aims to be. It's just not the simple prospect Greg KH and a few others are treating it as. All Tumbleweed does currently is break assumptions that are supposed to be safe, without providing dynamic alternatives to query for the info that normally comes from knowing the definition of a particular version of a particular distro. It's a neat experiment, necessary only in that you have to start somewhere, but it is not a product and it should not be recommended for anyone to actually use. Either use a real rolling distro, or take a chance on the supposedly now-officially-supported in-place upgrades. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org