First impressions of SuSE.
Hi everyone at SuSE, I just installed 7.1 and it's my first SuSE experience. I'm impressed by how you have paid attention to the details, something other distributors often fail to do. I have a couple of comments though. I better report them now, while they are fresh in memory. During installation there's the choice to put LILO on either Floppy or MBR. Perhaps there could be a way, in the Custom LILO Setup, to do both? I usually put it on MBR, but a spare copy on Floppy would be nice. Just a suggestion. Now to the thing I found most confusing and I'm sure other new users do as well. Although I understand (technically) why this is done and maybe easily over-looked: It's about configuration - there are too many ways to get to the same thing. Let's take the configuration putton on the panel as an example (the one that points to /opt/kde2/share/config/SuSE/yast). 1. There's a menu item called "YaST2 modules" which has a sub menu. 2. There's a .desktop file to the KDE Control Center. 3. The KDE Control Center has a module called YaST2. 4. There's a dedicated button on the panel to start the KDE Control Center. 5. In the first menu there's also an entry called YaST2 Control Center. 6. Outside of it all, but still in the same menu, is the X configuration. I could go on. I feel that energy must be put into creating a more structured SuSE config for the user. I'm sure you can see why. Keep up the good work! Regards, Mattias
* Mattias Dahlberg [Sat, 05 May 2001 15:28:48 +0200 (CEST)]:
I could go on. I feel that energy must be put into creating a more structured SuSE config for the user. I'm sure you can see why.
Things will be different in the upcoming 7.2 ;-) And no, there's no fixed release date yet. -- Penguins to save the dinosaurs -- Handelsblatt on Linux for S/390
Hi Philipp,
Things will be different in the upcoming 7.2 ;-) And no, there's no fixed release date yet.
Please, make it some time in September or October or later.... I just got 7.1 working just how I want it to. ;-) -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============
Tease! Any idea about what sort of things we can expect in 7.2?
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From: "Philipp Thomas"
I could go on. I feel that energy must be put into creating a more structured SuSE config for the user. I'm sure you can see why.
Things will be different in the upcoming 7.2 ;-) And no, there's no fixed release date yet. -- Penguins to save the dinosaurs -- Handelsblatt on Linux for S/390 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com
* Geordon VanTassle (gvantass@thecoventree.com) [20010505 22:10]:
Tease! Any idea about what sort of things we can expect in 7.2?
Certainly ;-) But many things are still in flux and could be removed or
changed before the masters are fixed, so I'll refrain from talking about
things that might not make it.
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Philipp Thomas
Great to hear, Philipp. And perhaps even rename 'YaST2' to 'SuSE Config' or something more logical. :)
Actually the backend of YaST and YaST2 is called SuSEconfig. -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============
* Mattias Dahlberg [Sat, 05 May 2001 22:26:22 +0200 (CEST)]:
Great to hear, Philipp. And perhaps even rename 'YaST2' to 'SuSE Config' or something more logical. :)
Nope ;-) YaST2 will keep its name. -- Penguins to save the dinosaurs -- Handelsblatt on Linux for S/390
Quoting Terence McCarthy
Yet another Sentence Truncated 2!
:) Seriously though, Mandrake has understood the usefulness of descriptive names and renamed their 'DrakConf' to 'Mandrake Control Center'. I surely hope SuSE comes to a similar conclusion sometime in the future. Maybe even take it a step further and drop the idea of many different control panels and try to integrate them all (including the KDE control modules) into an easily browsable and accessible 'SuSE manager'. Regards, Mattias
At 08:00 PM 5/6/2001 +0200, Mattias Dahlberg wrote:
Quoting Terence McCarthy
: Yet another Sentence Truncated 2!
:)
Seriously though, Mandrake has understood the usefulness of descriptive names and renamed their 'DrakConf' to 'Mandrake Control Center'. I surely hope SuSE comes to a similar conclusion sometime in the future.
Well If you so much like the way mandrake names things why not just go back then. It just seems to you keep comparing suse to mandrake an wanting suse to change the way they do things to suite yourself. jack Jack Malone jack@malone.tyler.com http://www.ballistic.com/~jemalone Luke 4:18-19 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." (NIV)
On Sunday 06 May 2001 18:00, Mattias Dahlberg wrote:
Quoting Terence McCarthy
: Yet another Sentence Truncated 2!
:)
Seriously though, Mandrake has understood the usefulness of descriptive names and renamed their 'DrakConf' to 'Mandrake Control Center'. I surely hope SuSE comes to a similar conclusion sometime in the future.
Maybe even take it a step further and drop the idea of many different control panels and try to integrate them all (including the KDE control modules) into an easily browsable and accessible 'SuSE manager'.
Regards, Mattias
Yes, one of the problems to acceptance of Linux, is, I think, the way in which different distributions handle this problem. I have to confess to having difficulty when dealing with non-SuSE distributions for other people. "But" they say, "I thought you knew about Linux...." My unfamiliarity with other configuration tools does me no credit, but Linux possibly less. What is needed, perhaps, is a de facto standard such as RPM, for a Linux configurator- "Linset" or something, which although set up by each distributor to suit their individual way of presenting Linux, would give a degree of commonality to setting up all distributions. This should have both command line and X versions, obviously, and the high standard of documentation we know and love (in most cases!). This would certainly help me in helping those who choose Linux (but don't choose SuSE Linux), and so present a common front to those learning how to use Linux and so encouraging use of my favourite OS. Apart from what I think about the desirability of provide a degree of similarity across systems, I am not so sure about the names aspect. YaST has an understandable acronym, it is distinctly SuSE, and, at a later date, and Open Source, could provide the basis for a semi-standard configuration programme. YaST is certainly easier to cope with as a name than the cumbersome "Mandrake Control Center" (or "centre" as we native English speakers prefer!). Anyway, Yet another Stimulating Thread -or 2! :-)) Terence
* Mattias Dahlberg [Sun, 06 May 2001 20:00:39 +0200 (CEST)]:
Maybe even take it a step further and drop the idea of many different control panels and try to integrate them all (including the KDE control modules) into an easily browsable and accessible 'SuSE manager'.
But YaST2 *is* completely integrated into the KDE control centre and that's way it is meant to be. Not the other way 'round. Philipp -- Linux only became possible because 20 years of OS research was carefully studied, analyzed, discussed and thrown away. Ingo Molnar on linux-kernel
Maybe even take it a step further and drop the idea of many different control panels and try to integrate them all (including the KDE control modules) into an easily browsable and accessible 'SuSE manager'.
I think it would probably be better to take the opposite approach - integrating the YaST modules in KDE's control panel (something they have already done). I agree with the fact that YaST may sound confusing - perhaps the shortcut should just say "System Configuration" - that wouldn't require a name change. This would be the same as the stuff in the K Menu (i.e. KPPP is called "Internet Dialer", for example). -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============
Mattias Dahlberg a écrit :
Nope ;-) YaST2 will keep its name.
Bah! Vanity! :)
Call it Yast2 or anything else. The point to me is that it's unusable on my computer : it locks every time it tries to recognize my SCSI controler (a TEKRAM 390 T), if the module is already loaded. Otherwise it simply ignores it. Should SuSe remove Yast1, I'd have to go back to RH... -- Alain DIDIERJEAN 01 64 23 10 15 I was born too young ~adj~ 06 74 53 71 81 in too old a world...
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Alain DIDIERJEAN
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Jack Malone
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Mattias Dahlberg
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Philipp Thomas
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Terence McCarthy
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Timothy R.Butler