Re: [SLE] [OT] Linux users are a bunch of potheads. ;)
On Thursday June 12 2003 1:58 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
This is a good one.
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20030603S0012
According to Nathan Hanks, managing director at Continental Airlines Linux developers are a bunch of potheads.
" Having one vendor throat to choke is helpful in crisis situations, Hanks said. An IT pro can't go to the CEO and say that a server is down, "and hopefully some guy in Amsterdam" will get to a fix when he gets back from the "dope house," he said."
That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired! Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft®. We have no bugs in our software, Never!, We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost, to you, at this time.
* Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030612 11:12]: -> ->That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired! -> Well, anyone who feels like it can email them @ investorrelationsdept@coair.com Give them a piece of your mind and let them know that this kind of thing doesn't inspire confidence in their airline. -- The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction. ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 11:17, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030612 11:12]: -> ->That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired! ->
Well, anyone who feels like it can email them @
investorrelationsdept@coair.com
Give them a piece of your mind and let them know that this kind of thing doesn't inspire confidence in their airline.
Damn Ben, you're as smooth as silk...Lol. Thanks, its one thing to say you don't like Linux for whatever reason, quite another to completely spread FUD.
-- The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction.
No arguing with that based on that article alone :(.
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On Thursday 12 June 2003 14:17 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030612 11:12]: -> ->That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired! ->
Well, anyone who feels like it can email them @
investorrelationsdept@coair.com
Here's my response: I would like to state my opinions of two of the comments that Nathan Hanks made at TechEd 2003. "Nathan Hanks, managing director at Continental Airlines, said, "All the guys hacking Windows are Linux guys." Continental was hit hard by SQL Slammer and "our CEO said we'd failed," Hanks said. " Is Mr. Hanks implying that the only people who make malicious attacks on Windows servers are "Linux users"? I would like to see his proof of this fact or else a public apology. Almost all of the linux users that I know (and I am one of them) wouldn't bother to mess with a Windows systems. We have better things to do including keeping the same 'crackers' out of our systems. A much easier task since we run Linux. Mr. Hanks should spend more time applying the patches MicroSoft provides for flaws in their software rather than trying to find someone to blame for his lack of attention to his duties. Also Mr. Hanks should learn to use the term 'cracker' instead of 'hacker'. I take immediate offense to his statement above as I am sure the other 15 million linux users do. Such offense will be in the forefront the next time I need to buy an airline ticket. His next comment: "Having one vendor throat to choke is helpful in crisis situations, Hanks said. An IT pro can't go to the CEO and say that a server is down, "and hopefully some guy in Amsterdam" will get to a fix when he gets back from the "dope house," he said. " Well that's just great.... first he calls all Linux users criminals and then he calls them dopeheads who are unreliable. I think Mr. Hanks had better look at the facts: 1) How many security holes are there in the typical Linux server system as compared to the typical Windows system? 2) How many of the "worms and virus's" of the recent past have been due to flaws in MicroSoft software? 3) What is the typical time that it takes for a flaw or security hole in a Linux system to have a fix available from the 'dopeheads'? (answer: 24 hrs or less) And how long for a MicroSoft flaw? I think you had better find Mr. Hanks a closet where he can attend to his Windows servers and protect them from the outside world. Then we won't have to contend with more of his drivel. I am sure that I will consider what Continental thinks of me and my Linux friends the next time I take to the air. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 06/12/03 15:22 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Gravity - It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Bruce Marshall wrote:
Mr. Hanks should spend more time applying the patches MicroSoft provides for flaws in their software rather than trying to find someone to blame for his lack of attention to his duties.
Over a year ago I saw a very humorous full page Wall Street Journal ad from Sun. It showed a picture of one of their computers and had the headline something like "We could have installed Windows but we wouldn't have had room for all the patches". If I remember the ad correctly, the product came with some flavor of Linux Sounds like this Conntinental guy is not too bright but then considering my experiences with that airline, I am not surprised. Damon Register
On Thursday June 12 2003 3:26 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Thursday 12 June 2003 14:17 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030612 11:12]: -> ->That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired! ->
Well, anyone who feels like it can email them @
investorrelationsdept@coair.com
Here's my response:
I would like to state my opinions of two of the comments that Nathan Hanks made at TechEd 2003.
"Nathan Hanks, managing director at Continental Airlines, said, "All the guys hacking Windows are Linux guys." Continental was hit hard by SQL Slammer and "our CEO said we'd failed," Hanks said. "
[snip] GOOD one! Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft®. We have no bugs in our software, Never!, We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost, to you, at this time.
* Ben Rosenberg
* Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030612 11:12]: -> ->That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired!
Well, anyone who feels like it can email them @
investorrelationsdept@coair.com
Give them a piece of your mind and let them know that this kind of thing doesn't inspire confidence in their airline.
Any further discussion on this topic *should* include a cc: investorrelationsdept@coair.com -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://Wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org
* Patrick Shanahan (WideGlide@FastMail.fm) [030612 13:57]:
->* Ben Rosenberg
* Ben Rosenberg
* Patrick Shanahan (WideGlide@FastMail.fm) [030612 13:57]: ->* Ben Rosenberg
[06-12-03 13:19]: ->> * Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030612 11:12]: ->> -> ->> ->That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired! ->> ->> Well, anyone who feels like it can email them @ ->> ->> investorrelationsdept@coair.com ->> ->> Give them a piece of your mind and let them know that this kind of thing ->> doesn't inspire confidence in their airline. -> ->Any further discussion on this topic *should* include a -> cc: investorrelationsdept@coair.com Yeah but if someone makes a comment that includes anything actionable in court. I wouldn't want to be the one who says it publicly. Even a joke about hacking their servers could cause someone ..even SuSE major headaches. I wouldn't CC that address.
Perhaps <sholders lowered> a rash judgement on my part.... One bright day in the middle of the night Two dead boys got up to fight Back to back they faced each other Drew their swords and shot each other A deaf policeman heard the noise He came and killed those two dead boys One bright day in the middle of the night -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://Wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org
The following is what I sent to Continental. I'll probably get blown off like everyone else with a form letter response. However, I wasn't joking about not flying with them. Fred _______________ I just read an article quoting Mr. Hnaks. After reading it, a number of thoughts came to mind, the first being it's no wonder Continental is having financial problems! I have rarely heard any top executive from any company make stupid, ignorant, slanderous statements as he did (http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20030603S0012) in that article. Among other things, he called Linux users are a bunch of potheads when he said, "" Having one vendor throat to choke is helpful in crisis situations, Hanks said. An IT pro can't go to the CEO and say that a server is down, "and hopefully some guy in Amsterdam" will get to a fix when he gets back from the "dope house," he said."" Is Hanks so stupid to say that all Linux service comes from Amsterdam? Is everyone who lives there who uses Linux a "pothead?" Is he so stupid to think that IBM, who is a MUCH LARGER company than Continental, and is VERY, VERY much involved with Linux, doesn't provide 24x7 service, and is responsible for attacks on Microsoft servers?!! Is Hanks slandering the good name of SuSE, the premire Linux distributor, claiming that they attack Microsoft servers, write virus's, and are a bunch of "potheads?!!" ANY board of directors worth it's salt would fire ANY exec. who was and is that far out of touch with reality! I am incensed, and have sent copies of that article ALL OVER the Net. with comments. I don't attack Microsoft servers, write virus's, and VERY anti-drug!! I do, however, replace M$ on a LOT of servers and workstations. Mr. Hanks has given me additional cause to increase my efforts. Rest assured that there are MANY like me who will NOT fly with Continental just because he is so incredibly ignorant, stupid, and slanderous to those THOUSANDS of us who use Linux rather than anything Microsoft. There are many of us who want to know EXACTLY how many shares of Microsoft stock he owns, which I believe must be on public record, I am making an official request for that information. Sincerely, Fred A. Miller -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft®. We have no bugs in our software, Never!, We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost, to you, at this time.
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" Having one vendor throat to choke is helpful in crisis situations, Hanks said. An IT pro can't go to the CEO and say that a server is down, "and hopefully some guy in Amsterdam" will get to a fix when he gets back from the "dope house," he said."
That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired!
He needs to be! Telling the CEO that someone else is at fault for possibly THEIR own screw-up? Also sounds like he is saying that because he couldn't even get Linux to install or maybe MS is paying him alot of $$$$. If they was to buy a distro from someone like SuSE, then they can get the tech support and get themselves up and running. SuSE can help them get patched up if necessary. Glad he isn't a pilot. He would blame the plane manufacturer for everything it seems. Oh well -- Marshall "Nothing is impossible, we just do not have all the anwsers to make the impossible, possible."
On Thursday June 12 2003 2:28 pm, Marshall Heartley wrote:
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" Having one vendor throat to choke is helpful in crisis situations, Hanks said. An IT pro can't go to the CEO and say that a server is down, "and hopefully some guy in Amsterdam" will get to a fix when he gets back from the "dope house," he said."
That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired!
He needs to be! Telling the CEO that someone else is at fault for possibly THEIR own screw-up? Also sounds like he is saying that because he couldn't even get Linux to install or maybe MS is paying him alot of $$$$. If they was to buy a distro from someone like SuSE, then they can get the tech support and get themselves up and running. SuSE can help them get patched up if necessary. Glad he isn't a pilot. He would blame the plane manufacturer for everything it seems. Oh well
Curtis and I both wrote. I'd hope that EVERYONE on this and other Linux lists also would take the time to write. In my letter, I requested to know exactly how much stock Mr. Hanks owns. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft®. We have no bugs in our software, Never!, We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost, to you, at this time.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 12 June 2003 22:55, Fred A. Miller wrote: <snip>
Curtis and I both wrote. I'd hope that EVERYONE on this and other Linux lists also would take the time to write. In my letter, I requested to know exactly how much stock Mr. Hanks owns.
Fred
I wrote to them too, though not being quite as good at finer wordings as you two did, but I let them know I was outraged at being called a criminal, and that now, anyone who reads it and knows me, will think I'm a criminal too, cracking into M$ systems. I told them I found it slanderous and that I was going to have me a talk with an attorney unless Hanks *AND* Continental made an apology and made it where more people would see it than just a couple websites. John - -- I needed fresh bugs for my SuSE gecko, and Linux penguin. So I went out and caught this huge ugly blue and red and green and yellow butterfly. They won't need fresh food for 3 months now. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+6bcOH5oDXyLKXKQRAukzAJ9sb4hQVud+rNP1ODpGkDgwmQ0LWQCgoBru wuu2w0Fs4ILDw/TP9cqQ6fY= =1GlO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thursday 12 June 2003 23:55 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:
He needs to be! Telling the CEO that someone else is at fault for possibly THEIR own screw-up? Also sounds like he is saying that because he couldn't even get Linux to install or maybe MS is paying him alot of $$$$. If they was to buy a distro from someone like SuSE, then they can get the tech support and get themselves up and running. SuSE can help them get patched up if necessary. Glad he isn't a pilot. He would blame the plane manufacturer for everything it seems. Oh well
Curtis and I both wrote. I'd hope that EVERYONE on this and other Linux lists also would take the time to write. In my letter, I requested to know exactly how much stock Mr. Hanks owns.
(Bruce frantically raises his hand... waving it wildly) "I wrote first!, I wrote first!!" :-) (and I posted it) -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 06/13/03 09:14 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "When you're up to your hips in alligators," "You forget the original project was to drain the swamp."
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 14:04, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Thursday June 12 2003 1:58 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
This is a good one.
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20030603S0012
According to Nathan Hanks, managing director at Continental Airlines Linux developers are a bunch of potheads.
start a no fly ocntinental campaing and see how fast an appology comeso ut
At 5:35 PM -0400 6/12/03, illustre wrote:
start a no fly ocntinental campaing and see how fast an appology comeso ut
What were we saying about potheads? -- http://www.4am-media.com Mac OS X Consulting and Training Michael Bartosh mbartosh@4am-media.com 303.517.0272 Denver, CO "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently." - -- Nietzsche Think Different.
It would be best to demonstrait the lack of intellegence of the CEO by
the comment. You could point out that if this is how the airlines are
run its little wonder they are back begging for another bailout. You
could mention that your last recent flying trip the quality of the
experience is reflective of the quality of leadership of the Airline or
the industry in general.
CWSIV
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:02:21 -0700 Ben Rosenberg
* Patrick Shanahan (WideGlide@FastMail.fm) [030612 13:57]: ->* Ben Rosenberg
[06-12-03 13:19]: ->> * Fred A. Miller (fmiller@lightlink.com) [030612 11:12]: ->> -> ->> ->That stupid imbecile DESERVES to get fired! ->> ->> Well, anyone who feels like it can email them @ ->> ->> investorrelationsdept@coair.com ->> ->> Give them a piece of your mind and let them know that this kind of thing ->> doesn't inspire confidence in their airline. -> ->Any further discussion on this topic *should* include a -> cc: investorrelationsdept@coair.com Yeah but if someone makes a comment that includes anything actionable in court. I wouldn't want to be the one who says it publicly. Even a joke about hacking their servers could cause someone ..even SuSE major headaches. I wouldn't CC that address.
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On Thursday 12 June 2003 11:04, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Thursday June 12 2003 1:58 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
This is a good one.
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20030603S0012
According to Nathan Hanks, managing director at Continental Airlines Linux developers are a bunch of potheads.
Communication sent to Continental investor relations regarding the recent statements by one Mr. Hanks. ##################################################################### Nathan Hanks was recently quoted in an article on the technology website "www.techweb.com" wherein he made some rather inflammatory remarks. These remarks were blatantly uncalled for and not based in any real fact. furthermore, the nature of the statements slanders not only a whole subsection of a population but also those of a specific nationality. One of the statements Mr. Hanks made said "All the guys hacking Windows are Linux guys." I have no idea how he came to this conclusion or by what provable evidence he has to back up this claim. So, I am to understand that he and Continental Airlines believes that IBM, SuSE, Redhat, Novell, etc are system crackers (cracker is a term for a malicious hacker the cause damage or theft to a system - hacker is the guys and gals that wrote 100% of the software you use - including you email reader)? Not only is this inflammatory, it could be viewed by some as act of liable. Then in the last paragraph quoted from Mr. Hanks he makes a blatantly prejudicial and perhaps racists serious of remarks that are as follows: "Having one vendor throat to choke is helpful in crisis situations, Hanks said. An IT pro can't go to the CEO and say that a server is down, "and hopefully some guy in Amsterdam" will get to a fix when he gets back from the "dope house," he said." So, I'm and others are to assume that both Mr. Hanks and Continental Airlines are of the opinion that all the software developers, or at least those that do so for Linux are addicts and users of illicit drugs that are incapable of assuming any responsibility or standing as a professional because they are all doped up and therefore unreliable, as well as any product that they produce? These statements have set of a fervor of anti-Continental sentiments throughout the Open Source and Linux community. In light of the trying times that many of the airlines are experiencing and the amount to which many are on the verge of insolvency, one has to wonder if this is a prudent public relations strategy. I would garner to say not. At present there is a very real possibility for a boycott campaign based on this latest slight to a fairly large segment to the population. A population that has a well established record of both high domestic and international commuting habits. I would recommend that perhaps Mr. Hanks, and more over Continental, would be better served by avoid these sorts of public statements. Whether or not his comments are actionable is debatable. But I'm sure you may agree that they are not prudent or warrented statements that put Continental in a positive light. I'm also confident that Continental's policy is not one in which unsubstantiated accusations and comments are views as a effective means of eliciting customere loyalties and further patronage. Please consider the possibility of a retraction, or at least a clarification of this statements. I have a hard time believing that the upper management at Continental share the views or tactics that Mr. Hanks obviously does. Thank You for you time. Respectfully. Curtis Rey. ######################################################################## Sorry, but I just felt too compelled to let this moron go without trying to bring a little heat back his way. Cheers, Curtis
Continental Airlines phone number. "To tell us what you think: 1-800-WE-CARE2 (1-800-932-2732)" I think we should really sue for this kind of behavior. Anyone got an idea how to do it. I can't afford Al Gore's lawyer. On Thursday 12 June 2003 21:04, Curtis Rey wrote:
On Thursday 12 June 2003 11:04, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Thursday June 12 2003 1:58 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
This is a good one.
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20030603S0012
According to Nathan Hanks, managing director at Continental Airlines Linux developers are a bunch of potheads.
Communication sent to Continental investor relations regarding the recent statements by one Mr. Hanks. ##################################################################### Nathan Hanks was recently quoted in an article on the technology website "www.techweb.com" wherein he made some rather inflammatory remarks. These remarks were blatantly uncalled for and not based in any real fact. furthermore, the nature of the statements slanders not only a whole subsection of a population but also those of a specific nationality.
One of the statements Mr. Hanks made said "All the guys hacking Windows are Linux guys." I have no idea how he came to this conclusion or by what provable evidence he has to back up this claim. So, I am to understand that he and Continental Airlines believes that IBM, SuSE, Redhat, Novell, etc are system crackers (cracker is a term for a malicious hacker the cause damage or theft to a system - hacker is the guys and gals that wrote 100% of the software you use - including you email reader)?
Not only is this inflammatory, it could be viewed by some as act of liable. Then in the last paragraph quoted from Mr. Hanks he makes a blatantly prejudicial and perhaps racists serious of remarks that are as follows:
"Having one vendor throat to choke is helpful in crisis situations, Hanks said. An IT pro can't go to the CEO and say that a server is down, "and hopefully some guy in Amsterdam" will get to a fix when he gets back from the "dope house," he said."
So, I'm and others are to assume that both Mr. Hanks and Continental Airlines are of the opinion that all the software developers, or at least those that do so for Linux are addicts and users of illicit drugs that are incapable of assuming any responsibility or standing as a professional because they are all doped up and therefore unreliable, as well as any product that they produce?
These statements have set of a fervor of anti-Continental sentiments throughout the Open Source and Linux community. In light of the trying times that many of the airlines are experiencing and the amount to which many are on the verge of insolvency, one has to wonder if this is a prudent public relations strategy. I would garner to say not. At present there is a very real possibility for a boycott campaign based on this latest slight to a fairly large segment to the population. A population that has a well established record of both high domestic and international commuting habits.
I would recommend that perhaps Mr. Hanks, and more over Continental, would be better served by avoid these sorts of public statements. Whether or not his comments are actionable is debatable. But I'm sure you may agree that they are not prudent or warrented statements that put Continental in a positive light. I'm also confident that Continental's policy is not one in which unsubstantiated accusations and comments are views as a effective means of eliciting customere loyalties and further patronage.
Please consider the possibility of a retraction, or at least a clarification of this statements. I have a hard time believing that the upper management at Continental share the views or tactics that Mr. Hanks obviously does.
Thank You for you time. Respectfully.
Curtis Rey.
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Sorry, but I just felt too compelled to let this moron go without trying to bring a little heat back his way.
Cheers, Curtis
-- Thom Nuzum (in DC)
* Thom Nuzum (thom@cavtel.net) [030613 16:08]: ->I think we should really sue for this kind of behavior. ->Anyone got an idea how to do it. I can't afford Al Gore's lawyer. Al Gore's lawyer is the same guy who's representing SCO so I wouldn't want him anyway. ;) -- The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction. ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org
On Friday 13 June 2003 16:51, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Thom Nuzum (thom@cavtel.net) [030613 16:08]:
->I think we should really sue for this kind of behavior. ->Anyone got an idea how to do it. I can't afford Al Gore's lawyer.
Al Gore's lawyer is the same guy who's representing SCO so I wouldn't want him anyway. ;)
And the same guy that started the feds anti-trust case against M$. And we all know how well that went! Cheers, Curtis.
participants (13)
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Ben Rosenberg
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Bruce Marshall
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Carl William Spitzer IV
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Curtis Rey
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Damon Register
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Fred A. Miller
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illustre
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John
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Marshall Heartley
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Matthew Johnson
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Michael Bartosh
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Patrick Shanahan
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Thom Nuzum