Ben Kevan wrote:

On Tuesday 16 October 2007 02:27:07 pm Clive wrote:

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Has anyone installed KDE4 yet ? Is it stable and does KMail behave itself ?

-- Kindest regards,

Clive.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/

Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK)

I have Beta 2.. I wouldn't use it as a production machine.. at all

I saw a KDE4 demo on Saturday and didn't think much of what I saw. While there are some technical improvements, it seemed dumbed down. If I want my computer to insult my intelligence, I can run Windows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I tried it but it felt more like Windows Vista just like how I think all KDE's feel... like windows... It was far from complete and usable and I even installed all the packages. I guess the best way to try it is just to install it yourself.... Anyways back to Gnome and Xfce for me :) - Jake On 10/16/07, Ben Kevan wrote:

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I saw a KDE4 demo on Saturday and didn't think much of what I saw. While there are some technical improvements, it seemed dumbed down. If I want my computer to insult my intelligence, I can run Windows.

Or Gnome :D .. (Whoops.. That was a Linus type answer)

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OK, thanks for your update. The reason I was asking is that in YAST there seems to be quite a few KDE4 files/apps loaded from GUI/KDE. Are these needed in KDE3 ? Could these be the source of some of the instabilities that some of us are seeing with the PC locking up so tight that the only way out of it is to reset ?

What lockups are you getting? If they are caused by "Compiz" I would recommend installing KDE 3.5.8 from the Build Service which eliminates some of the issues I had when running KDE with Compiz. On another note, can one of the KDE Designers unveil if 11.0 will be KDE by default (as 10.3 was), and will the next version of SLED be KDE instead of Gnome by default? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Thanks Ben, On Wednesday 17 October 2007 17:42:27 Ben Kevan wrote:

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OK, thanks for your update. The reason I was asking is that in YAST there seems to be quite a few KDE4 files/apps loaded from GUI/KDE. Are these needed in KDE3 ? Could these be the source of some of the instabilities that some of us are seeing with the PC locking up so tight that the only way out of it is to reset ?

On another note Clive. Some of the KDE 4 libs are needed because opensuse 10.3 introduced us to some KDE 4 applications integrated within our 3.5.x (including Konquest.. which is my favorite game).

Where do you get KDE3.5.8 ? -- Kindest regards, Clive. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Thanks Sunny, On Wednesday 17 October 2007 19:42:06 Sunny wrote:

On 10/17/07, Clive wrote:

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Where do you get KDE3.5.8 ?

Add this repo: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_10.3/

-- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap.

When I tried to start YaST update Yast starts to look at the repositories then I am getting this. YaST got signal 11 at YCP file OnlineUpdateCallbacks.ycp:524 /sbin/yast2: line 386: 5852 Segmentation fault $ybindir/y2base $module "$@" "$SELECTED_GUI" $Y2_GEOMETRY $Y2QT_ARGS Then YaST closes the dialog box. What is going on ? -- Kindest regards, Clive. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi Will, On Thursday 18 October 2007 14:22:22 Will Stephenson wrote:

On Thursday 18 October 2007 11:49:27 Clive wrote:

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When I tried to start YaST update Yast starts to look at the repositories

then

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I am getting this.

YaST got signal 11 at YCP file OnlineUpdateCallbacks.ycp:524 /sbin/yast2: line 386: 5852 Segmentation fault $ybindir/y2base $module "$@" "$SELECTED_GUI" $Y2_GEOMETRY $Y2QT_ARGS

Then YaST closes the dialog box. What is going on ?

YaST crashed. Please file a bug report with the console output and the logs - use /sbin/save_y2logs to create a tarball containing the relevant files.

Will -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team

I would have done but just after I sent this message the PC locked up and would not even allow me to get back in to the x-server (KDE) so I decided to completely re-install 10.3 just incase I had blown it away with all the changes I had made to get the machine stable and the GForce graphics card. Sorry no bug report to help you. -- Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi Rajko, On Thursday 18 October 2007 20:28:42 Rajko M. wrote:

On Thursday 18 October 2007 01:49:46 pm Clive Rogers wrote:

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Hi Will,

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I would have done but just after I sent this message the PC locked up and would not even allow me to get back in to the x-server (KDE) so I decided to completely re-install 10.3 just incase I had blown it away with all the changes I had made to get the machine stable and the GForce graphics card.

Hi Clive,

GeForce graphic card, which one? It seems that you are not alone with lockups. I know that mine FX 5200 PCI makes trouble, and I'm trying to make sure it is not hardware problem, before I report a bug.

-- Regards, Rajko.

I have the Xpert Vision GeForce 7300 PCI Express 256 meg ram. Does this help ? -- Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi Will, On Thursday 18 October 2007 14:22:22 Will Stephenson wrote:

On Thursday 18 October 2007 11:49:27 Clive wrote:

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When I tried to start YaST update Yast starts to look at the repositories

then

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I am getting this.

YaST got signal 11 at YCP file OnlineUpdateCallbacks.ycp:524 /sbin/yast2: line 386: 5852 Segmentation fault $ybindir/y2base $module "$@" "$SELECTED_GUI" $Y2_GEOMETRY $Y2QT_ARGS

Then YaST closes the dialog box. What is going on ?

YaST crashed. Please file a bug report with the console output and the logs - use /sbin/save_y2logs to create a tarball containing the relevant files.

Will -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team

I would have done but just after I sent this message the PC locked up and would not even allow me to get back in to the x-server (KDE) so I decided to completely re-install 10.3 just incase I had blown it away with all the changes I had made to get the machine stable and the GForce graphics card. Sorry no bug report to help you. -- Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org