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I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way. Thanks, Aaron
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To my knowledge, no. To update from one version of Suse to the next one - your best bet is to do installation via ftp or from the CD-ROMS and then choose upgrade. Osho On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:15:19 +0000, a.bridge@insightbb.com <a.bridge@insightbb.com> wrote:
I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.
Thanks,
Aaron
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On Thursday, 28 October 2004 21.15, a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:
I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.
I was able to do it by going to yast2's "Change source of installation", deleting the 9.0 source, adding the 9.1 source and then going to "System update". Worked relatively well as I recall, although you'll want to go through your rpms afterwards to make sure there aren't a few 9.0 rpms still lingering
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On 19:15 Thu 28 Oct , a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:
I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.
Thanks,
Aaron
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Don't believe one can do that (someone will now prove me wrong <G>). One doesn't have to lose everything, though: there is an option on the boot CD that doesn't work w/FTP but may w/regular install. One also does not have to trash the /home/<user> directory to upgrade. Just choose 'partitioning for experts' and tell SuSE not to format /home. -- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
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On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 21:50, C Hamel wrote:
On 19:15 Thu 28 Oct , a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:
I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.
Thanks,
Aaron
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Don't believe one can do that (someone will now prove me wrong <G>). One doesn't have to lose everything, though: there is an option on the boot CD that doesn't work w/FTP but may w/regular install. One also does not have to trash the /home/<user> directory to upgrade. Just choose 'partitioning for experts' and tell SuSE not to format /home.
Done automatically, when you choose update...
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OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition? Osho On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:55:25 +0200, Jerome R. Westrick <jerry@westrick.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 21:50, C Hamel wrote:
On 19:15 Thu 28 Oct , a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:
I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.
Thanks,
Aaron
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Don't believe one can do that (someone will now prove me wrong <G>). One doesn't have to lose everything, though: there is an option on the boot CD that doesn't work w/FTP but may w/regular install. One also does not have to trash the /home/<user> directory to upgrade. Just choose 'partitioning for experts' and tell SuSE not to format /home.
Done automatically, when you choose update...
-- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
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On Thursday 28 October 2004 4:00 pm, Osho GG wrote:
OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition? If you upgrade, it updates your current release without destroying what you already have. I personally prefer to have a separate /home file system because OS upgrades can sometimes be problematic. SuSE has been very good about this though. -- Jerry Feldman <gerald.feldman@hp.com> Partner Technology Access Center (contractor) (PTAC-MA) Hewlett-Packard Co. 550 King Street LKG2a-X2 Littleton, Ma. 01460 (978)506-5243
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On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 22:00, Osho GG wrote:
OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?
Osho
When you do the upgrade option, Yast does NOT format any particiones, instead it uses your current setup... As a case in point. I did the upgrade on a 9.0 to 9.1. I had all files in 1 softraid partion (md0 mounted as /), the upgrade went in effortless, Yast did it's thingy, and then it rebooted 9.1. The new version of evolution even extracted my emails from the old version, I lost no data... I did nothing special.... In other words... Just boot from DVD, choose update instead of install, and let magic of SuSE do it's work! Jerry (Umm, I did have a backup just incase, that is probably a good idea)
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:55:25 +0200, Jerome R. Westrick <jerry@westrick.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 21:50, C Hamel wrote:
On 19:15 Thu 28 Oct , a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:
I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.
Thanks,
Aaron
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Don't believe one can do that (someone will now prove me wrong <G>). One doesn't have to lose everything, though: there is an option on the boot CD that doesn't work w/FTP but may w/regular install. One also does not have to trash the /home/<user> directory to upgrade. Just choose 'partitioning for experts' and tell SuSE not to format /home.
Done automatically, when you choose update...
-- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
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On Thursday 28 October 2004 01:12 pm, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 22:00, Osho GG wrote:
OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?
Osho
When you do the upgrade option, Yast does NOT format any particiones, instead it uses your current setup...
As a case in point. I did the upgrade on a 9.0 to 9.1.
I had all files in 1 softraid partion (md0 mounted as /), the upgrade went in effortless, Yast did it's thingy, and then it rebooted 9.1.
The new version of evolution even extracted my emails from the old version, I lost no data... I did nothing special....
In other words...
Just boot from DVD, choose update instead of install, and let magic of SuSE do it's work!
Jerry (Umm, I did have a backup just incase, that is probably a good idea)
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:55:25 +0200, Jerome R. Westrick
<jerry@westrick.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 21:50, C Hamel wrote:
On 19:15 Thu 28 Oct , a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:
I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.
Thanks,
Aaron
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Don't believe one can do that (someone will now prove me wrong <G>). One doesn't have to lose everything, though: there is an option on the boot CD that doesn't work w/FTP but may w/regular install. One also does not have to trash the /home/<user> directory to upgrade. Just choose 'partitioning for experts' and tell SuSE not to format /home.
Done automatically, when you choose update...
-- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
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-- Just a question, Does the upgrade keep your cups setups. That has been the area I had the most trouble with initally with 9.0 and when I converted to 9.1 Pro. Russ
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On 17:02 Thu 28 Oct , Russ wrote:
On Thursday 28 October 2004 01:12 pm, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
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Just a question, Does the upgrade keep your cups setups. That has been
the
area I had the most trouble with initally with 9.0 and when I converted to 9.1 Pro. Russ
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Don't know about others but all I had to do was use YaST to add my printer & OOo was all ready to go when I said 'print'. I did check the setup to make certain, however. (I also discovered that the margins for a couple documents looked okay on the screen but had to be adjusted a little for printout to look as good.) I have had zero trouble with other applications --like MPlayer, Xine, Video-DVDRip, Avidemux, etc, since upgrading & actually found that Kaffeine *finally* plays DVDs! All but Kaffeine came from Packman's site, incidentally. The SuSE pkgs arrive in a broken state. FWIW... -- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
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On Thursday 28 October 2004 07:36 pm, C Hamel wrote:
On 17:02 Thu 28 Oct , Russ wrote:
On Thursday 28 October 2004 01:12 pm, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
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Just a question, Does the upgrade keep your cups setups. That has been
the
area I had the most trouble with initally with 9.0 and when I converted to 9.1 Pro. Russ
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Don't know about others but all I had to do was use YaST to add my printer & OOo was all ready to go when I said 'print'. I did check the setup to make certain, however. (I also discovered that the margins for a couple documents looked okay on the screen but had to be adjusted a little for printout to look as good.)
I have had zero trouble with other applications --like MPlayer, Xine, Video-DVDRip, Avidemux, etc, since upgrading & actually found that Kaffeine *finally* plays DVDs! All but Kaffeine came from Packman's site, incidentally. The SuSE pkgs arrive in a broken state.
FWIW... -- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
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From: "Jerome R. Westrick" <jerry@Westrick.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:12:32 +0200 On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 22:00, Osho GG wrote:
OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?
Osho
When you do the upgrade option, Yast does NOT format any particiones, instead it uses your current setup... As a case in point. I did the upgrade on a 9.0 to 9.1. ... Jerry Be certain you have enough disk space. If the update runs out of space, you get a non-functioning hybrid of two versions. It happened to me when I left too small a partition for /opt. jim bennett
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*** Reply to message from "James P. Bennett" <jbennett@syr.edu> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) One more candle and a trip around the Sun***
Be certain you have enough disk space. If the update runs out of space, you get a non-functioning hybrid of two versions. It happened to me when I left too small a partition for /opt.
yeah, not lately but earlier in my Suse career I did that, I think most of us have done it at least once... well, maybe not Anders Johansson. Not since he got out of short pants anyway... Did we tell all the new kids that they WERE actually going to screw up and reinstall the same thing a few times while they unlearned their winders reflexes ??? Ahhh we must've done , at least one or two of us <VBG> I wish you Happiness, but *do* note the sig line <G> P.S. oh dear, I'm certain I'm not being a good Do-be today. I know the Chubby Guy said not to qualify that wish... still, everyone has to learn everything, no and I've got miles and miles left, and if those guys are right rings and rings of lives to redo til I do learn. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
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On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:18 -0500, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote: --snip--
I wish you Happiness, but *do* note the sig line <G>
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I'm sure you know that your sig is the old motto of the Scottish kings, or the Order of the Thistle. It translates into Scots as "Wha daur meddle wi' me" which sounds a wee bit better than "no-one assails me with impunity!" David -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."
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David Robertson wrote:
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:18 -0500, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
--snip--
I wish you Happiness, but *do* note the sig line <G>
--snip
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I'm sure you know that your sig is the old motto of the Scottish kings, or the Order of the Thistle. It translates into Scots as "Wha daur meddle wi' me" which sounds a wee bit better than "no-one assails me with impunity!"
It sounds more like they were into the Scotch. ;-)
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On Friday, 29 October 2004 21.18, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
*** Reply to message from "James P. Bennett" <jbennett@syr.edu> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) One more candle and a trip around the Sun***
Be certain you have enough disk space. If the update runs out of space, you get a non-functioning hybrid of two versions. It happened to me when I left too small a partition for /opt.
yeah, not lately but earlier in my Suse career I did that, I think most of us have done it at least once... well, maybe not Anders Johansson.
Not sure what your point is, but I've made more than my fair share of mistakes and blunders. That's when you learn the most, cleaning up the mess after a really nice blunder
Not since he got out of short pants anyway...
Some of my most memorable mistakes have been made when I was out of my pants :)
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** Reply to message from Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:47:27 +0200
On Friday, 29 October 2004 21.18, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
(snips)
yeah, not lately but earlier in my Suse career I did that, I think most of us have done it at least once... well, maybe not Anders Johansson.
Not sure what your point is, but I've made more than my fair share of mistakes and blunders.
Anders, I think my wife's point is that she considers you THE guru of the SuSE list. It was a compliment, my friend. ;o) Gil
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On Friday, 29 October 2004 22.56, Gil Weber wrote:
** Reply to message from Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:47:27 +0200
On Friday, 29 October 2004 21.18, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
(snips)
yeah, not lately but earlier in my Suse career I did that, I think most of us have done it at least once... well, maybe not Anders Johansson.
Not sure what your point is, but I've made more than my fair share of mistakes and blunders.
Anders, I think my wife's point is that she considers you THE guru of the SuSE list. It was a compliment, my friend. ;o) Gil
Well thank you, but everyone makes mistakes, even Dennis Ritchie or Linus Torvalds. And anyone who claims to not make mistakes is a liar. The true measurement of knowledge isn't to avoid mistakes (that's part of the field of engineering), it's to be able to get things corrected afterwards. My favourite definition of 'expert': One who has made every mistake one can conceivably make in his field
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*** Reply to message from James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:48:02 -0400 One more candle and a trip around the Sun*** James you oik! You sound like my ex .. He was one mistake I didn't mind admitting too, as soon as I grew up enough to know anything.. He decided he didn't like me when I grew up, because the brain/mind he had once thought was interesting and different ( the gal does maths, and physics and stuff, she knows what a periodic table of elements is ??!!? Shock and amazement) Turned into an adult that expected to be able to form her own opinions . Quiet compliance was something that just wasn't going to happen. <evil grin> -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
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On Friday 29 October 2004 2:05 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday, 29 October 2004 22.56, Gil Weber wrote:
** Reply to message from Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:47:27 +0200
On Friday, 29 October 2004 21.18, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
Not sure what your point is, but I've made more than my fair share of mistakes and blunders.
Anders, I think my wife's point is that she considers you THE guru of the SuSE list. It was a compliment, my friend. ;o) Gil
Well thank you, but everyone makes mistakes, even Dennis Ritchie or Linus Torvalds. And anyone who claims to not make mistakes is a liar. The true measurement of knowledge isn't to avoid mistakes (that's part of the field of engineering), it's to be able to get things corrected afterwards.
My favourite definition of 'expert': One who has made every mistake one can conceivably make in his field
That he best defination I've ever heard. Now we know why you are so good. Keep up the good work. Rich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA
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On Friday October 29 2004 11:18 pm, C. Richard Matson wrote: [snip]
My favourite definition of 'expert': One who has made every mistake one can conceivably make in his field
That he best defination I've ever heard. Now we know why you are so good. Keep up the good work. Rich
Another worthwhile definition is; "X" is an unknown quantity and "spurt" is a little drip under pressure. :) Fred -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin 1759
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On Saturday 30 Oct 2004 04:26, Fred Miller wrote:
On Friday October 29 2004 11:18 pm, C. Richard Matson wrote:
[snip]
My favourite definition of 'expert': One who has made every mistake one can conceivably make in his field
That he best defination I've ever heard. Now we know why you are so good. Keep up the good work. Rich
Another worthwhile definition is; "X" is an unknown quantity and "spurt" is a little drip under pressure. :)
Fred
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Nahh you got that one wrong Fred ... it's "X as in has been" and "Spurt as in drip under pressure" Keep up the work fellas just got to figure out why 9.2 wont install on this box .. but 9.1 will any ideas (i am fishing here )....:- ) Cheers Pete. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
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On Saturday, 30 October 2004 08.42, peter Nikolic wrote:
just got to figure out why 9.2 wont install on this box .. but 9.1 will any ideas (i am fishing here )....:- )
Tell you what, if you send me the 9.2 disks, I'll see if I can't find the problem for you :)
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*** Reply to message from "C. Richard Matson" <goldfarm@ranch-farm.com> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:18:01 -0700 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***
My favourite definition of 'expert': One who has made every mistake one can conceivably make in his field
That he best defination I've ever heard. Now we know why you are so good. Keep up the good work. Rich
gee, someone once told me an Expert was a former spert or posibley pert so one should always consider where they were coming from as an "ex" anyone always has some sort of bias <G> don't we all <G> -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
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*** Reply to message from Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:47:27 +0200 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***
Not sure what your point is, but I've made more than my fair share of mistakes and blunders. That's when you learn the most, cleaning up the mess after a really nice blunder
Awww shugah, You know I forgot to put the <grin> in. My Horrid typing skills are as well know in these parts as your own fine Linux skills.. and the point *was* your skill is known far and wide, especially on these lists ... and maybe just one or two other places.. ;)
Some of my most memorable mistakes have been made when I was out of my pants :)
Hrmmm, see you made a liar out of me already! (j/k) ;) Didn't I *just* say we weren't going to talk about the *other* places your skills might be known. Object oriented guy that you are ... Now I really had better get to ducking and running , and probably still grinning .... before I get clobbered w/ a devistating verbal brickbat! :) blondely, -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
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On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:
Osho GG wrote:
OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?
Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.
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Good advice. I use DAR (Disk ARchiver) to do the job and it really rocks, IMHO. Command line is a little challenging to learn but once the syntax is mastered it is really easy. I made the mistake of not creating a separate /home and learned to regret it. -- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
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On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:37, C Hamel wrote:
On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:
Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.
Okay, People... I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but..... In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...) Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right? Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared? Or am I missing something? Jerry
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On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 10:28 +0200, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:37, C Hamel wrote:
On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:
Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.
Okay, People...
I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but.....
In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...)
Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?
Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?
Or am I missing something?
Well, it is very useful to have a separate /home partition for future upgrades - you don't need to move all your data before installation and formatting / I move /home/der to /home/der.old then move across the stuff I want to the new /home/der directory - all my personal files, plus .mozilla or .pan, and so on. Whether you have other separate partitions depends on your preferences and needs - in a server environment, for example, you might want /var separate, because that's where your mail and your logs are. Apt keeps all its rpms in /var/cache/apt/archives, and you might want to keep those. Filesystems do still get trashed - SuSE 9.0, for example - which wasn't all that long ago - shipped with a kernel that had buggy reiserfs support. I couldn't even begin to give you the technical low-down on it, but I had the system freeze shortly after initial installation of 9.0 and had to just power down. On re-booting, my / partition was shot to bits and I had to start again. Fortunately, /home was on a separate partition............ Even with 9.1 I still get occasional freezes and whilst journalling has made recovery much easier, data still gets lost sometimes. David -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."
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Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
Okay, People...
I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but.....
In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...)
Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?
Heh heh heh heh.
Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?
No. The reason why you want separate partitions is that things DO screw up. It's also for long-term convenience. it's a good idea to create separate partitions because it makes it easier to *blow away* bits of the system that you need to blow away when doing something like an upgrade and leaving everything else important *intact*. It seems like it's convenient in the beginning to have everything in one partition, because you've been trained by MSFT do do so over the years. Yes, it's easy to just create one huge partition and leave everything else as subdirectories, but what happens when you screw up and FUBAR the OS or get Owned? If /usr, /home, /root, /boot, /var, /etc are all on separate partitions, you can fdisk the broken partitions and rebuild it *leaving everything else alone*. So say the OS is FUBARed...fdisk, erase the busted system partitions, leaving things like /home /var and /etc alone, rebuild the system, and there's no data loss. All your settings are still there, as are your user files. At a minimum, you should have the system partition separated from the /home partition. This greatly decreases agita when doing a "clean install/upgrade" (no need to tar the /home directory to removable media or another drive). Back when I used to work in a small PC shop part time, we would ALWAYS create a partition on a drive and copy the customer's copy of Windows to it, so when they broke the system and brought it to the shop, we could rebuild their OS without even using the cdrom. Indeed, if you take this unix pilosophy to your own Windows machine, I see absolutely no reason why \Windows, \Program Files, and \My Documents shouldn't be on separate partitions. -- Dan
Or am I missing something?
Jerry
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On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 05:40 -0400, Daniel Podgurski wrote: --snip--
Back when I used to work in a small PC shop part time, we would ALWAYS create a partition on a drive and copy the customer's copy of Windows to it, so when they broke the system and brought it to the shop, we could rebuild their OS without even using the cdrom. Indeed, if you take this unix pilosophy to your own Windows machine, I see absolutely no reason why \Windows, \Program Files, and \My Documents shouldn't be on separate partitions.
True. I keep my copy of windows on a cd which is somewhere in the house, in a cupboard....... David -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."
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Daniel Podgurski wrote:
Back when I used to work in a small PC shop part time, we would ALWAYS create a partition on a drive and copy the customer's copy of Windows to it, so when they broke the system and brought it to the shop, we could rebuild their OS without even using the cdrom. Indeed, if you take this unix pilosophy to your own Windows machine, I see absolutely no reason why \Windows, \Program Files, and \My Documents shouldn't be on separate partitions.
Because Billy Boy says so. On XP, you can finally move My Documents to another partition, it's difficult to move others. Even when you move My Documents, not all applications recognize the move. Incidentally, my ThinkPad came with XP, on with I created a FAT32 partition for My Documents, so that both Linux and XP can access the data.
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Because Billy Boy says so. On XP, you can finally move My Documents to another partition, it's difficult to move others. Even when you move My Documents, not all applications recognize the move.
I do the same thing on my WinXP box - My boot drive is an ultra-wide scsi seagate drive, which I keep under 4.7 gigs so I can Ghost the thing to a DVD before I do dangerous things like installing Service Packs ;) All changing docs/data goes on a 40 or 60 gig as D: or E:... It's still such a PITA when reinstalling, all the data/programs are still there, but the wonderful "registry" is missing most of the important stuff, forcing a resintall of the apps anyway. If only a Linux client would come out for the one MMORPG game I play, I'd have no use for Windows at all - I've officially become a Linux convert, at least about 95% ;)
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The Friday 2004-10-29 at 10:28 +0200, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?
Er... sometimes :-p
Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?
Not entirely.
Or am I missing something?
In the case of the /home partition, the advantage is that you can reinstall the distro, formating "/", and leaving /home alone, so that your personal files are not lost. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
In the case of the /home partition, the advantage is that you can reinstall the distro, formating "/", and leaving /home alone, so that your personal files are not lost.
Pushing it even further: I saw everybody talking about partitions and nothing about LVM - is it still an immature technology? Would system upgrades be easier or harder? TIA -- Marcos Lazarini
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Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:37, C Hamel wrote:
On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:
Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.
Okay, People...
I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but.....
In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...)
Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?
Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?
Or am I missing something?
The reason for a separate /home partition, is so that user data deosn't get clobbered, during an install. If your /home was on the same partition as / and you reformated during install, your data would be lost. Some people also like to mount /var on it's own partition, so that it won't use up all avaiable disk space, with overflowing logs etc.
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The reason for a separate /home partition, is so that user data deosn't get clobbered, during an install. If your /home was on the same partition as / and you reformated during install, your data would be lost. Some people also like to mount /var on it's own partition, so that it won't use up all avaiable disk space, with overflowing logs etc.
I seriously need to do this on my laptop -- It's my Linux "test" box, and end up having to copy things to my desktop first, then install, copy them back... Picking a good "size" for the /home part on a 9-gig dirve though is one of those things I just can't decide on :)
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Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?
Or am I missing something?
as several folks have said it saves a lot of agro if/when you screw up the system, OR something that you install borks your system over writes your system files, if someone, the heavens forfend, should "root" ( 'ROOT" ?) your box.. that is ; if they plant a root kit on your system so that the person can *own* your box for any reason at any time . You can easily disconnect from your network and reinstall everything except your /home and /usr and /whatever because they are on separate partitions. For instance,if you have the install program show you what is already on your system or, even better, you will have taken notes when you install. ( at least until doing this stuff is such a habit you just "know" it's hda3 or it's sdb2 ). Which you then tell "yast do not touch those partitions". No formating at all for those partitions.That saves all your data while yast goes happily about formatting and installing everything else. If you test systems and software it's a guarantee you will install something flakey at some point. And your system will be farqed, leaving you a huge challenge.. unless, you separate your partitions.. You can even have them all on the same drive if there is enough room on it but you want to keep those directories away from the main things and whichever part you screw up, you can fix w/o needing to reinstall everything.. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
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Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:37, C Hamel wrote:
On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:
Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.
Okay, People...
I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but.....
In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...)
Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?
Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?
Or am I missing something?
Jerry
Filesystems do get trashed, by hardware. Even Sun have gone away from slicing up a large disk into little bits, it's really a hangover from the days of small disks. If ever you have a bad IDE controller, it wrecks the whole disk, I've suffered this twice, so now I have / and swap. Many years ago I asked friends why they sliced up disks the way they did, but they had no answers, just symlinks crazily all over the place when they ran out of space on partitions. If there are multiple disks on separate controllers, IDE, SATA etc., it would make some sense, but if accidentally you did "rd /" with /home mounted, a fine mess you've got me into again Stanley, apologies to Laurel and Hardy. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
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On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 03:28, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:37, C Hamel wrote:
On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:
Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.
Okay, People...
I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but.....
In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...)
Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?
Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?
Or am I missing something?
I think your missing the idea that having a separate /home partition makes the upgrade path easier in terms of getting back to using your data. It does require a few extra steps at install time though. Mike
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On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:00, Osho GG wrote:
OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?
Back it up to CD's, and hopefully you will make a separate /home partition on the new install. I did something like that during the last upgrade cycle, except I bought a new hd for the Linux partition, and then copied old /home/<user> dirs over to it. BTW don't forget to chown the <user> dirs to the appropriate <user>, it works better that way. :) Mike
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Mike McMullin wrote:
On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:00, Osho GG wrote:
OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?
Back it up to CD's, and hopefully you will make a separate /home partition on the new install. I did something like that during the last upgrade cycle, except I bought a new hd for the Linux partition, and then copied old /home/<user> dirs over to it. BTW don't forget to chown the <user> dirs to the appropriate <user>, it works better that way. :)
If you're upgrading and repartitioning, one thing you might consider, is moving /home to the old swap partition, if of suitable size. To do that, boot a rescue disk and convert the swap partition to your desired file system and then copy over /home. Then during the install, create another swap and add the new /home to the system. However, it's still a good idea to make backups, even if you're not upgrading. I backup my ThinkPad to tar files on my desktop system and then do a full image copy of my desktop hard drive to an identical drive, mounted in a removable tray. I also back up my home directory to a CD-RW.
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I also back up my home directory to a CD-RW.
you can fit your home directory on a Cd ??? I went to DVD and now am looking for a writer that will use the 7.5gig DVDs... ( sorta like the ones they use for video cams. ) -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
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jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
*** Reply to message from James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:23:36 -0400 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***
I also back up my home directory to a CD-RW.
you can fit your home directory on a Cd ??? I went to DVD and now am looking for a writer that will use the 7.5gig DVDs... ( sorta like the ones they use for video cams. )
I remember backing up my entire hard drive to a stack of 360K floppies! If I were to back up a full drive today, it would take about 200,000 floppies!
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On Thursday 28 October 2004 15:15, a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:
I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.
I tried to upgrade from 8.2 to 9.1 and I didn't care for the results. The problem comes mainly from the hidden configuration files in your home directory that may or may not be compatible with the upgraded programs. This is more likely when you jump several releases and may not be an issue going from 9.0 to 9.1. My preference is to back up the /etc and /home directories (at least) and then do a clean install. You can come back later and add or replace the configuration/preferences files you need, saving the default file in case your old one doesn't work right. What I do is create a /data partition that holds all my files and any program that didn't come with the distro (including my /home directory and a backup of the current /etc). I then backup the /data directory, do a clean installation, and set the /data directory to mount automatically. Presto! A clean installation with clean config files *and* all my old files to use as needed. Just a thought. Jeff
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Jeffrey Laramie wrote:
My preference is to back up the /etc and /home directories (at least) and then do a clean install. You can come back later and add or replace the configuration/preferences files you need, saving the default file in case your old one doesn't work right.
I backup everything, before upgrading
What I do is create a /data partition that holds all my files and any program that didn't come with the distro (including my /home directory and a backup of the current /etc). I then backup the /data directory, do a clean installation, and set the /data directory to mount automatically. Presto! A clean installation with clean config files *and* all my old files to use as needed.
Isn't /opt for packages that didn't come with the distro?
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What I do is create a /data partition that holds all my files and any program that didn't come with the distro (including my /home directory and a backup of the current /etc). I then backup the /data directory, do a clean installation, and set the /data directory to mount automatically. Presto! A clean installation with clean config files *and* all my old files to use as needed.
Isn't /opt for packages that didn't come with the distro?
These days Qt, Mozilla, KDE and Gnome are there by default so using /opt would defeat my purpose. I want to keep my data and programs completely separated from the distro files. I suppose I could mount my directory in /opt instead of / but, since it also contains data files and backups of system configuration files, that doesn't seem like the right place to me either. I don't have a Linux/unix background and honestly I've never been too fond of some parts of the Linux directory design. I see very good reasons to keep config, log, system, lib, and devices in their own directories, but I've struggled to understand the reasoning behind keeping data files in places like /var/lib/mysql for example. I would have thought it makes more sense to have a directory specifically for application data that you might want to have on mirrored disks and backup often, rather than keep data in a directory that contains log, spool and other system files. I'm sure there's a reason it's this way, but it escapes me. Bedtime. Later... Jeff
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*** Reply to message from Jeffrey Laramie <suse-linux-e@Trans-Star.net> on Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:37:59 -0400 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***
I want to keep my data and programs completely separated from the distro files.
you can try to install at least browsers and some other files only in your home directory.. they may not run, but if you compile them and tell them to be there, they just might work... there is also the /usr/local option... or /usr/share if you want others to be able to use the programs at a future time.. Empty directories tends to depend on whether you install a lot of software in them... I should think you could create any directory under /usr as root and give your username rights to it... -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
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On Friday 29 October 2004 00:22, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
*** Reply to message from Jeffrey Laramie <suse-linux-e@Trans-Star.net> on Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:37:59 -0400 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***
I want to keep my data and programs completely separated from the distro files.
you can try to install at least browsers and some other files only in your home directory.. they may not run, but if you compile them and tell them to be there, they just might work... there is also the /usr/local option... or /usr/share if you want others to be able to use the programs at a future time.. Empty directories tends to depend on whether you install a lot of software in them... I should think you could create any directory under /usr as root and give your username rights to it...
Absolutely. You can mount the partition or drive with your files on it in /usr or any place else. I've gotten off the track discussing directory structure. The point I was originally trying to make is that if you keep all the data that is unique to your usage, plus backups of /etc and /home, on a separate drive (or partition if you only have one drive) then you can drop this drive in any box, mount it, and be back in business in a couple hours. YaST is a great installation program and IMHO once you get the hang of it you can do a fresh installation just as fast as an upgrade but with more predictable results. Jeff
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One issue I have long raised is whether to upgrade or whether to do a fresh install. Upgrades always have some problems regardless of the operating system and vendor. SuSE has always had reasonably good upgrades. A new installcleans out your old software. For instance, on SuSE 9.1, OpenOffice.org was installed on /opt where in 9.2, it is installed in /usr/lib. In my case, I upgraded this system from SuSE 9.1 Professional to SuSE 9.2 professional, and that left me with 2 copies of OpenOffice.org. That was easy to correct, but some of the differences may be subtle. As a matter of course, I generally set up my systems with separate /home and /usr/local file systems so that I can easily perform a clean install.
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On Friday 29 Oct 2004 02:56, James Knott wrote:
Jeffrey Laramie wrote:
My preference is to back up the /etc and /home directories (at least) and then do a clean install. You can come back later and add or replace the configuration/preferences files you need, saving the default file in case your old one doesn't work right.
I backup everything, before upgrading
What I do is create a /data partition that holds all my files and any program that didn't come with the distro (including my /home directory and a backup of the current /etc). I then backup the /data directory, do a clean installation, and set the /data directory to mount automatically. Presto! A clean installation with clean config files *and* all my old files to use as needed.
Isn't /opt for packages that didn't come with the distro?
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr nnooooooooooooo /opt youy find KDE GNOME OpenOffice and loads more this is suse not redhat. ..:-).. i am glad to say .. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
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On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 08:27 +0100, peter Nikolic wrote:
On Friday 29 Oct 2004 02:56, James Knott wrote:
Isn't /opt for packages that didn't come with the distro?
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr nnooooooooooooo
/opt youy find KDE GNOME OpenOffice and loads more this is suse not redhat. ..:-).. i am glad to say ..
My understanding is that user-installed stuff should really go into /usr/local/ but, historically, SuSE has always used /opt for what might be called non-essential or extra stuff. There was a time when Gnome, and not KDE, was there which I took as being a reflection of SuSE's view of Gnome (ie - we prefer KDE). I tend to put stuff I've installed myself into /opt, which has its own partition, then it's all in the one place and easier to work with, I think. David -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."
participants (23)
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a.bridge@insightbb.com
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Anders Johansson
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C Hamel
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C. Richard Matson
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Carlos E. R.
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Daniel Podgurski
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David Robertson
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Fred Miller
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Gil Weber
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James Knott
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James P. Bennett
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Jeffrey Laramie
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Jerome R. Westrick
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Jerome R. Westrick
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Jerry Feldman
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jfweber@bellsouth.net
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Marcos Vinicius Lazarini
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Mike McMullin
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Osho GG
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peter Nikolic
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Russ
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Sid Boyce
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Steve Kratz