On Wednesday 28 August 2002 09:08, Olle Viksten wrote:

Skrev onsdagen den 28 augusti 2002 14.27 Terence McCarthy:

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I've had it with trying to get a NVidia card working. Has anyone tried the ATI Radeon 9000?

What about drivers- I can't find any reference to a 3D driver for linux anywhere.

I don't know about the 9000 but as of yesterday I'm using a 8500. There seems to be no 3D support for it yet. But otherwise it works great and it took me about 2 minutes to set it up with sax2 as I wanted it. On the windows partition (Im using it for Dreamveawer and Compupic) it took over ten minutes and one reboot. :-)

Olle =====================

There is minimal 3d support presently for the 8500, but it will work. The CVS XFree86 files have very much more support, if you want to compile your own. Also, there are the FireGL files that work with the 8500 for some nice 3d, I have heard. I believe these same drivers will work as well with the 9000 or you may be able to get drivers from the ATI site as well. ATI has been very good about providing support for Open Source with their products and drivers. The FireGL drivers are available on SuSE's ftp site. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.4.3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Amiga, SuSE Linux, PC Sales & Service Magic Page Products

onsdagen den 28 augusti 2002 23.18 skrev Ben Rosenberg:

::I don't know about the 9000 but as of yesterday I'm using a 8500. There :: seems to be no 3D support for it yet. But otherwise it works great and :: it took me about 2 minutes to set it up with sax2 as I wanted it. On the :: windows partition (Im using it for Dreamveawer and Compupic) it took :: over ten minutes and one reboot. :-)

Check out ATI's website for the drivers and GLX pkgs...since you already have an 8500 series card. Please let the list know how this works out. I'm curious if they are better as far as install and configuration then nVidia's drivers.

I downloaded the package at http://mirror.ati.com/support/products/pc/radeon8500/linux/radeon8500linuxdr... There was no problem with instaling it and runing the config utility. Restarting X I got a screen that was slightly smaller than the one I got using sax2. However I didn't get the 3D to work. This seems to be a problem with some gl package missing from my system, not something wrong with the rpm frpm ATI. I fooled around with it for a while before giving up. I don't use 3D much anyway, dont't play games except crossfire http://crossfire.real-time.com/ The card is great for 2D, fast and crispdisplay, much better than my previous card, Matrox G450. Olle

On Wednesday 28 August 2002 20:35, P.T. (nevada) wrote:

I do not believe that any linux drivers have been developed for the Radeon 9000 yet. The Radeon 8500 supports only 2D and the 7500 supports both 2D/3D. No idea when the linux drivers for the 9000 will be out or 3D drivers will be available the 8500.

If any of this is wrong, sure someone will correct me.

ATi has planed to develop 1 driver for all it's video card since last year. It's like the nVidia driver. ATi driver will be called catalyst driver. On windows, ATi Radeon 9xxx already use the catalyst driver 1.0. And the 8xxx and 7xxx will soon be supported under Catalyst. The same goes for Linux. To speed up driver development the ATi Linux driver will be updated to catalyst driver. If this driver released all 7xxx, 8xxx, 9xxx video card in Linux can run 3D. With Catalyst driver, any future ATi VGA card released ATi can provide driver that compatible with linux in a very short time.

* Philipp Thomas (pth@t-link.de) [020902 18:11]: ::Mojojojo [ Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:21:43 +0700]: :: ::>ATi has planed to develop 1 driver for all it's video card since last year. ::>It's like the nVidia driver. :: ::Oh no! Not another binary only driver! We've had more than enough ::problems with nvidias drivers (latest gag is, that modelines accepted ::by the nv driver are rejected by the nvidia driver) so I'm *not* ::enjoyed to see another of those *%$#*% appearing. :: ::Yes, I know that much knowhow goes into developing 3d drivers but this ::is Linux and not Windows. At least I will definitely *not* let a ::binary only driver run under Linux, period. Yep. They released the driver for the 8500/8500SE w/ a QTConfig program about 2 weeks ago. ATI use to release spec for their cards when the previous one became old enough. So the XFree project has spec for the 7500 but because nVidia has released binary only drivers and people still use the damn things and swear by them even if they do cause you to pull your hair out getting them to work...ATI said " well, screw this giving the specs out..we'll make binary one size fits all drivers ". It's sad...really sad. What needs to be done is for these big companies such as HP, IBM and Sun to pay the licensing fees for the XFree developers so they can get access to the hardware specs in order to write drivers. Now that ATI and nVidia don't have to give away the spec..they most likely won't. If IBM, HP and others are making so much cash from their hardware because of Linux then they should pony up some cash to get these developers the tools they need. Another idea would be a sort of defense fund for developers that regular users could contribute to..you know like $5, $10 or $20 in order to buy the licenses to get the specs from these graphics card makers. The card/chip makers don't seem to understand that they don't make money from writing drivers, but from the sales of chips and cards ..and if users don't buy their crap they won't make any money and they can go the way of the dodo bird. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

Hi, Could you possibly post back where on the Xfree list you saw the reported success? A friend of mine just got one and is having a difficult time getting it setup (Radeon 9000 Pro - w/DVI and all that). 2D support isn't even coming up yet. It defaults to FBdev, but that's not quite acceptable compared to having a fully working Voodoo3 2000 :-) Thanks for any info. - Greg On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 14:53, Patrick wrote:

On Monday 02 September 2002 21:10, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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Mojojojo [ Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:21:43 +0700]:

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ATi has planed to develop 1 driver for all it's video card since last year. It's like the nVidia driver.

Oh no! Not another binary only driver! We've had more than enough problems with nvidias drivers (latest gag is, that modelines accepted by the nv driver are rejected by the nvidia driver) so I'm *not* enjoyed to see another of those *%$#*% appearing.

Yes, I know that much knowhow goes into developing 3d drivers but this is Linux and not Windows. At least I will definitely *not* let a binary only driver run under Linux, period.

Philipp =============================

For those interested in the ATI Radeon 9000 card, I just ran across a mention of it on the XFree86 list. Seems the 9000 will run quite well with Linux, although your 3d will not be the best it can be. The reply to the question of using the 9000 card was to set it up as the 8500. Use the same IDs and such and the card will make you very happy! Now this is for XFree86 v4.2 and if you want even better support, you can compile from the CVS. As it turns out though the Radeon 9000 is going to be a sweet little card and it will work nicely now, but with limitations in 3d as the 8500 does presently.

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