Re: [opensuse] puzzled by rsync
On 2013-12-10 00:11 (GMT-0800) L.A. Walsh composed: [Why she sent to factory list I have no idea. I missed noticing her switch from the en list.]
Felix Miata wrote:
source & target have same filesystem size, block size, filesystem type OS 11.4 running on both
Couple of scenarios to rule out:
1) going from
disk1 a -> 500G file b->empty
to
disk2 a=>empty b->500G file
---- --delete = --delete-during which means it won't try to delete a later encountered directory until it gets to copying 'b'. If your disk is 750G, your copy will die in the middle of copying "a".
Maybe delete-before would be better, though theoretically less safe, in that you might be deleting 500G before the copy on disk1 has safely made it to disk2. But if you are tight on disk space....
Given the result observed on running it a 2nd time, I believe the above describes close enough what happened, and I should have used delete-before.
2) If your target disk is more fragmented, then it will need more free-space extents(clusters) -- rather than 1 range with 2G, it might need 20 ranges with 100MB each.
That means disk 2 will need more "indirect" space to hold the extra ranges.
Likely this is happening too, but not the primary problem here. Carlos: not btrfs. MC would explain differences, but not necessarily the rsync behavior absent understanding what Linda explained. Michael: no idea why you brought up sparse. The filesystem's sparse files are mostly small. The largest mass of files by number and size are compressed. AFAICT, sparse is about transfer speed, not ultimate space consumption. Andrey: probably only one 1k hard linked file on that filesystem. Nearly nil soft links too. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2013-12-10 at 04:43 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos: not btrfs. MC would explain differences, but not necessarily the rsync behavior absent understanding what Linda explained.
But learning where are the differences can be a clue to investigating why.
Michael: no idea why you brought up sparse. The filesystem's sparse files are
I have an application that creates large sparse files. Not your case, perhaps, but they do exist. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKm6UoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WK2QCeNf1YmBQfQU5fvucSeY5rt65T CAwAnR7AVSDoyPx/xJ/cle3oPP4pDp9+ =YRbT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2013-12-10 at 04:43 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-12-10 00:11 (GMT-0800) L.A. Walsh composed:
[Why she sent to factory list I have no idea. I missed noticing her switch from the en list.]
More than once ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKm6lQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V1NwCfS6pE3d1uIjF/WFGPHvetjHlC bbEAn1lgHKPrgDR/ok283ZByJ0Sv43Jl =EtLO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/10/2013 2:17 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[Why she sent to factory list I have no idea. I missed noticing her switch from the en list.]
More than once ;-)
---- It is a punishment visited on me by the maillist gods for not sending to the original poster AND the list. I.e. If I try to delete the "To" and Cc" and try to re-add the To, the first choice it selects when I type in op...is the factory list -- and I just see open-suse out of the corner of my eye, and don't catch it before I find the message went to factory. The universe keeps telling me not to violate established protocols, but I keep making the mistake of trying to please random requests which I don't really remember that well anyway. Silly me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:42 PM, L.A. Walsh
On 12/10/2013 2:17 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[Why she sent to factory list I have no idea. I missed noticing her switch from the en list.]
More than once ;-)
---- It is a punishment visited on me by the maillist gods for not sending to the original poster AND the list.
I.e. If I try to delete the "To" and Cc" and try to re-add the To, the first choice it selects when I type in op...is the factory list -- and I just see open-suse out of the corner of my eye, and don't catch it before I find the message went to factory.
The universe keeps telling me not to violate established protocols, but I keep making the mistake of trying to please random requests which I don't really remember that well anyway.
Silly me.
Linda, I just send it with the To: blank and with opensuse in the CC line. I've never had a complaint and I don't have to retype anything. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* L.A. Walsh
On 12/10/2013 2:17 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[Why she sent to factory list I have no idea. I missed noticing her switch from the en list.]
More than once ;-)
---- It is a punishment visited on me by the maillist gods for not sending to the original poster AND the list.
I.e. If I try to delete the "To" and Cc" and try to re-add the To, the first choice it selects when I type in op...is the factory list -- and I just see open-suse out of the corner of my eye, and don't catch it before I find the message went to factory.
The universe keeps telling me not to violate established protocols, but I keep making the mistake of trying to please random requests which I don't really remember that well anyway.
Silly me.
Yes, "Silly *you*" You seem well versed in many minutiae but unable to follow simple mailing list netiquettes, ie: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Personal_and_mail_li... But a read of the entire article would be appropriate. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Out of curiosity, what is the openSuSE list for? From what I've noticed, it's primarily for folks with a common passion from all over the world to learn, ask questions, troubleshoot, and sometimes just be stupid and joke around with each other. To that end - I guess I'm curious why lately it seems like folks on the list are so tied to "the rules," to the extent that it seems like every time I turn around anymore, someone else is getting reprimanded (or, in the case of Bill Creswel a couple weeks ago, basically ridiculed) for some minor offense like typing in the wrong part of the email, replying without removing the sender, replying without removing the list address, or whatever. I mean, it would be one thing if someone was trash talking. But the things people get called out for seems so...trivial. My big question is - in reality, what's the big deal? Every list I'm on has "rules," but this is literally the only one where people are quick to point out each other's violations. Can't we all just chill and get along? :/ Not trying to be, well, whatever. Just sayin'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/10/2013 11:33 AM, Christopher Myers wrote:
My big question is - in reality, what's the big deal? Every list I'm on has "rules," but this is literally the only one where people are quick to point out each other's violations.
Not that it necessarily the case with any individual here, (but not saying it isn't), there is a tendency to want to say "something" even when one doesn't know the answer to a question. Slamming someone for not following your idea of the "one, right, true way" gives them an opportunity to say something. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/12/13 19:33, Christopher Myers wrote:
My big question is - in reality, what's the big deal? Every list I'm on has "rules," but this is literally the only one where people are quick to point out each other's violations.
Rules are good, but the most important one is be strict in what you send and generous in what you receive. Bob - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.16-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.11.4 Uptime: 12:00pm up 7 days 0:07, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.11, 0.21 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKooSsACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU6s/gCff+O6E4oKyW/gWXy7iigEv08+ ymsAoI9569gy/shLMvnUN4Vd+EjYYfk5 =Hku6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/10/2013 10:33 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
You seem well versed in many minutiae but unable to follow simple mailing list netiquettes, ie: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Personal_and_mail_li...
Unfortunately, who ever wrote that didn't realize it violates internet protocols.
But a read of the entire article would be appropriate.
Understanding the basis of the email system would be appropriate before and why, when there are 2 separate addresses, it should go to both (because mail that is addressed differently can go to 2 different destinations) It is generally considered rude on the internet to post a private message publicly. Only posting publicly a message that directs you to send a copy to the poster as well, is only slightly less rude. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Linda Walsh
On 12/10/2013 10:33 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
You seem well versed in many minutiae but unable to follow simple mailing list netiquettes, ie: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Personal_and_mail_li...
Unfortunately, who ever wrote that didn't realize it violates internet protocols.
But a read of the entire article would be appropriate.
Understanding the basis of the email system would be appropriate before and why, when there are 2 separate addresses, it should go to both (because mail that is addressed differently can go to 2 different destinations)
It is generally considered rude on the internet to post a private message publicly. Only posting publicly a message that directs you to send a copy to the poster as well, is only slightly less rude.
And your posts "violate" the list policies, deliberately! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/10/2013 1:23 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
And your posts "violate" the list policies, deliberately!
Au contraire. It takes no deliberation or effort to violate an unnatural and perverse policy that goes against the laws of nature, er, I mean the RFC's.. yeah!... there is only the one right true way!!! It has been attempts to please different people with their specific 'perversions' (of the natural law, of course; :-)), that has me running into problems that gave rise to this inane and OT issue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-12-10 18:42, L.A. Walsh wrote:
On 12/10/2013 2:17 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[Why she sent to factory list I have no idea. I missed noticing her switch from the en list.]
More than once ;-)
---- It is a punishment visited on me by the maillist gods for not sending to the original poster AND the list.
I.e. If I try to delete the "To" and Cc" and try to re-add the To, the first choice it selects when I type in op...is the factory list -- and I just see open-suse out of the corner of my eye, and don't catch it before I find the message went to factory.
It is very simple, really. You can, for instance, upgrade your Thunderbird, as current versions (since years ago) display the button [Reply to List]. Or simply reply to All, and delete the direct address. leaving the list address as it is, even if it is a "Cc:". In Thunderbird you can also change the "Cc:" to a "To:" without altering the address field. No need to type any address whatsoever. I don't. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
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Linda Walsh
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Patrick Shanahan