On 06/02/18 14:52, Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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After my somewhat problematic upgrade of 422 to 423 (desktop test system) last week, I have now done yet another reinstall - I was optimistically hoping okular might have been able to print properly now, but it looks like it's been getting worse.

okular defaults to using inches (instead of millimetres) and A5 ?? Changes to those setting are not saved. Second, I can't set the printer options - type of paper, paper source, etc.

Same applies to Leap15 Beta. Also, on leap15, acroread has stopped working (throws some error), so will we be able to work with PDFs on Leap15?

Not sure if it could be related to the long-standing bug I've encountered, whereby all Qt apps cannot print on most paper sizes. However, I'm only aware until now of problems printing sizes other than A4 or Letter. One way to check would be to test printing from a couple of other apps - if it's only a problem in Qt apps and not GTK then you may be hit by the same bug. I don't have the bug references to hand but I'll look later if it seems that is indeed the issue. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/02/18 15:14, Per Jessen wrote:

gumb wrote:

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On 06/02/18 14:52, Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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After my somewhat problematic upgrade of 422 to 423 (desktop test system) last week, I have now done yet another reinstall - I was optimistically hoping okular might have been able to print properly now, but it looks like it's been getting worse.

okular defaults to using inches (instead of millimetres) and A5 ?? Changes to those setting are not saved. Second, I can't set the printer options - type of paper, paper source, etc.

Same applies to Leap15 Beta. Also, on leap15, acroread has stopped working (throws some error), so will we be able to work with PDFs on Leap15?

Not sure if it could be related to the long-standing bug I've encountered, whereby all Qt apps cannot print on most paper sizes. However, I'm only aware until now of problems printing sizes other than A4 or Letter.

We use either A4 or C5 (envelopes). IIRC, neither works in Okular.

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One way to check would be to test printing from a couple of other apps - if it's only a problem in Qt apps and not GTK then you may be hit by the same bug. I don't have the bug references to hand but I'll look later if it seems that is indeed the issue.

Wrt printing - printing from libreoffice or from acrobat reader works fine. I don't recall printing from any other app.

In case it should turn out to be related to the issue I've encountered on more than one machine, here were the bug reports: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-58733 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=994809 It seems that finally there is a fix, but likely only for TW at present. Not sure if a backport for 42.3 is coming. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 14:52:07 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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After my somewhat problematic upgrade of 422 to 423 (desktop test system) last week, I have now done yet another reinstall - I was optimistically hoping okular might have been able to print properly now, but it looks like it's been getting worse.

okular defaults to using inches (instead of millimetres) and A5 ?? Changes to those setting are not saved. Second, I can't set the printer options - type of paper, paper source, etc.

Same applies to Leap15 Beta. Also, on leap15, acroread has stopped working (throws some error), so will we be able to work with PDFs on Leap15?

Does atril work? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 14:52:07 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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After my somewhat problematic upgrade of 422 to 423 (desktop test system) last week, I have now done yet another reinstall - I was optimistically hoping okular might have been able to print properly now, but it looks like it's been getting worse.

okular defaults to using inches (instead of millimetres) and A5 ?? Changes to those setting are not saved. Second, I can't set the printer options - type of paper, paper source, etc.

Same applies to Leap15 Beta. Also, on leap15, acroread has stopped working (throws some error), so will we be able to work with PDFs on Leap15?

Does atril work?

I was not aware of that one, I'll check it out.

atril installed fine on both leap423 and leap15 - printing from leap423 worked fine, no scaling down. Looks a bit like Okular, but the printing dialogue works. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Peter Suetterlin wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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After my somewhat problematic upgrade of 422 to 423 (desktop test system) last week, I have now done yet another reinstall - I was optimistically hoping okular might have been able to print properly now, but it looks like it's been getting worse.

okular defaults to using inches (instead of millimetres) and A5 ?? Changes to those setting are not saved. Second, I can't set the printer options - type of paper, paper source, etc.

Same applies to Leap15 Beta. Also, on leap15, acroread has stopped working (throws some error), so will we be able to work with PDFs on Leap15?

Is the print queue properly set up on the machine? Can you check the default settings via http://localhost:631?

I'll go and check that. Generally speaking, our print server works well, has done for years. We print from a multitude of systems - openSUSE 10.3 to 13.2, even two Windows10 systems.

Can you directly (and properly) print a pdf? (i.e., lpr -Pprinter file.pdf)

Probably not on leap15, the printer names are wrong, see boo#1078553. For the scaling problem, see boo#1015478. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-02-06 14:52, Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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After my somewhat problematic upgrade of 422 to 423 (desktop test system) last week, I have now done yet another reinstall - I was optimistically hoping okular might have been able to print properly now, but it looks like it's been getting worse.

okular defaults to using inches (instead of millimetres) and A5 ?? Changes to those setting are not saved. Second, I can't set the printer options - type of paper, paper source, etc.

Same applies to Leap15 Beta. Also, on leap15, acroread has stopped working (throws some error),

That's a showstopper :-( And as vmware doesn't work either on any of my machines, that's another route blocked :-/

so will we be able to work with PDFs on Leap15?

I fear not. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Basil Chupin wrote:

On 07/02/18 00:15, Per Jessen wrote:

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After my somewhat problematic upgrade of 422 to 423 (desktop test system) last week, I have now done yet another reinstall - I was optimistically hoping okular might have been able to print properly now, but it looks like it's been getting worse.

okular defaults to using inches (instead of millimetres) and A5 ?? Changes to those setting are not saved. Second, I can't set the printer options - type of paper, paper source, etc.

The latter used to be available under a tab "Advanced":

In okular, press Ctrl-P, then "Properties", now a windows with two tabs "Page" and "Advanced" (the latter has the options I'm looking for). With leap423, I don't get any "Advanced" tab, instead I get "Job Options". (which has very few options).

The printing problem (scaled down to approx A5) remains the same.

Just wondering, Per, if you have set the Locale in System Settings properly? (And even configured the printer in Yast -- I know, this is one of the first things one configures after a new install...)

Hi Basil actually, it is set as one of the first things set during the install (language, keyboard) :-) Locale was one of my thoughts too - I'm using en_GB.utf8, as I always have. The scaled down printing issue appeared with Leap422, I don't think it is locale related.

Just to complete my comment: I am using 42.3 and have no problems at all in printing using Okular: A4 paper et al.

The printing issue might be related to the complete setup, but it is only as of Leap422 that it fails. Which locale are you using? en_AU.utf8 ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-0.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-02-08 07:47, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 07/02/18 00:15, Per Jessen wrote:

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The printing problem (scaled down to approx A5) remains the same.

Just wondering, Per, if you have set the Locale in System Settings properly? (And even configured the printer in Yast -- I know, this is one of the first things one configures after a new install...)

Hi Basil

actually, it is set as one of the first things set during the install (language, keyboard) :-) Locale was one of my thoughts too - I'm using en_GB.utf8, as I always have. The scaled down printing issue appeared with Leap422, I don't think it is locale related.

I think he refers to this one:

LC_PAPER=es_ES@euro

It is also set in /etc/sysconfig/language:

/etc/sysconfig/language:RC_LC_PAPER="es_ES@euro"

'locale' shows LC_PAPER='en_GB.utf8'. It isn't changed in /etc/sysconfig/language. In 13.1 and in leap423.

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Just to complete my comment: I am using 42.3 and have no problems at all in printing using Okular: A4 paper et al.

The printing issue might be related to the complete setup, but it is only as of Leap422 that it fails.

And with a remote printer, was it?

Yep. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-02-08 15:01, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-02-08 07:47, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 07/02/18 00:15, Per Jessen wrote:

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The printing problem (scaled down to approx A5) remains the same.

Just wondering, Per, if you have set the Locale in System Settings properly? (And even configured the printer in Yast -- I know, this is one of the first things one configures after a new install...)

Hi Basil

actually, it is set as one of the first things set during the install (language, keyboard) :-) Locale was one of my thoughts too - I'm using en_GB.utf8, as I always have. The scaled down printing issue appeared with Leap422, I don't think it is locale related.

I think he refers to this one:

LC_PAPER=es_ES@euro

It is also set in /etc/sysconfig/language:

/etc/sysconfig/language:RC_LC_PAPER="es_ES@euro"

'locale' shows LC_PAPER='en_GB.utf8'. It isn't changed in /etc/sysconfig/language. In 13.1 and in leap423.

Now the problem is to actually find what those country definitions actually are. I guess US translates to "letter", ES to A4, but I'm not sure about the British ;-)

But surely, it will not be A5 unless by bug, and that would affect many people.

I was wondering about the locale settings too, except I have used the same locale for years. It was weird to see Okular default to inches and A5 in the print dialogue. OTOH, there were clearly things missing from the dialogue too, so maybe something got screwed up. I'll have to open report on the print dialogue. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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OTOH, there were clearly things missing from the dialogue too, so maybe something got screwed up. I'll have to open report on the print dialogue.

This is really poor: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1054374

So with Leap423, okular has become virtually useless. For office work anyway.

Something appears to be happening - https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-54464 do I reopen boo#1054374 above to perhaps get this fixed for leap423 and leap15? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.3°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/02/2018 18:36, Per Jessen wrote:

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OTOH, there were clearly things missing from the dialogue too, so maybe something got screwed up. I'll have to open report on the print dialogue.

This is really poor: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1054374

So with Leap423, okular has become virtually useless. For office work anyway.

I guess I can only confirm my own $SUBJ, it is getting worse.

I haven't reopened the bug but have requested Jiri Slaby submit his libqt5-qtbase back port to 42.3 update. I use okular extensively but I don't have a printer atm. It would have been an unpleasant surprise for me. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/02/18 20:40, Peter Suetterlin wrote:

Following the comments in the boo/qt threads you linked there are backports of this for 5.10, 5.9 and even 5.6.2. Not sure what 42.3 uses? Oops, seems that is 5.8.7?

I believe that's referring to the version of Qt, not of Plasma. Leap 42.3 does indeed come with Qt 5.6.2. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-02-08 20:40, Peter Suetterlin wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I think he refers to this one:

LC_PAPER=es_ES@euro

I was wondering about the locale settings too, except I have used the same locale for years. It was weird to see Okular default to inches and A5 in the print dialogue. OTOH, there were clearly things missing from the dialogue too, so maybe something got screwed up. I'll have to open report on the print dialogue.

Noticed that indeed I also see inches. export LC_MEASUREMENT=de_DE.UTF-8 fixes it for me :)

Try creating file {HOME}/.i18n Like: LC_MEASUREMENT="es_ES@euro" -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 09/02/2018 08:27, Per Jessen wrote:

Where can one discover what a particular setting means? I.e. where can I see what LC_MEASUREMENT is/means for de_DE.UTF-8 or en_GB.UTF-8 ? In kde's settings (kf5 = Configure Desktop) go to Regional Setting and to Formats and you can change the settings and it tells you what you have at bottom left.

Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Plater wrote:

On 09/02/2018 08:27, Per Jessen wrote:

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We've been using en_GB for years, since 2004/5, never had this issue before. Besides, hasn't Britain gone metric? UK measurement unit is imperial UK in kde I use en_ZA it gives metric. Dave P

Thanks Dave, I have just seen the same. Maybe Okular has just recently picked up on the locale settings for measurements. :-) The problem with en_ZA and en_AU is they use a 12 hour clock. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Dave Plater wrote:

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On 09/02/2018 08:27, Per Jessen wrote:

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We've been using en_GB for years, since 2004/5, never had this issue before. Besides, hasn't Britain gone metric? UK measurement unit is imperial UK in kde I use en_ZA it gives metric. Dave P

Thanks Dave, I have just seen the same. Maybe Okular has just recently picked up on the locale settings for measurements. :-)

Okay, this is funny (I think). On openSUSE 13.1 and 12.3, with en_GB, LC_MEASUREMENT says "Metric". Is changing back to Imperial units some pre-Brexit thing? :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Plater wrote:

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On 09/02/2018 08:27, Per Jessen wrote:

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We've been using en_GB for years, since 2004/5, never had this issue before. Besides, hasn't Britain gone metric? UK measurement unit is imperial UK in kde I use en_ZA it gives metric. Dave P

Thanks Dave, I have just seen the same. Maybe Okular has just recently picked up on the locale settings for measurements. :-)

Okay, this is funny (I think). On openSUSE 13.1 and 12.3, with en_GB, LC_MEASUREMENT says "Metric". Is changing back to Imperial units some pre-Brexit thing? :-)

Just to make sure - I guess a user can override these, so on openSUSE 13.1, I created a new user and logged in, the system locale remained as en_GB.utf8. Still LC_MEASUREMENT = "Metric". Surely something is or was wrong? Remarkably, the man page locale(5) says:

LC_MEASUREMENT The definition starts with the string LC_MEASUREMENT in the first column.

The following keywords are allowed:

measurement followed by number identifying the standard used for measurement. The following values are recognized:

1 Metric. 2 US customary measurements.

I could be wrong, but it seems to suggest "Imperial Units" isn't even possible? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-02-09 10:51, Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Plater wrote:

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On 09/02/2018 08:27, Per Jessen wrote:

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We've been using en_GB for years, since 2004/5, never had this issue before. Besides, hasn't Britain gone metric? UK measurement unit is imperial UK in kde I use en_ZA it gives metric. Dave P

Thanks Dave, I have just seen the same. Maybe Okular has just recently picked up on the locale settings for measurements. :-) The problem with en_ZA and en_AU is they use a 12 hour clock.

Using LC_ variables lets you adjust each to separate locales. Look at my locale:

Yes, but that would only add yet another item to my "new install" todo-list. Simply using en_GB.utf8 has worked for years. It seems odd that en_GB.utf8 should have changed LC_MEASUREMENT from Metric to US. (aka Imperial). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-02-09 14:08, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-02-09 10:51, Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Plater wrote:

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Using LC_ variables lets you adjust each to separate locales. Look at my locale:

Yes, but that would only add yet another item to my "new install" todo-list. Simply using en_GB.utf8 has worked for years. It seems odd that en_GB.utf8 should have changed LC_MEASUREMENT from Metric to US. (aka Imperial).

I do not know if the definition has changed, I doubt it. But, maybe KDE now honours that variable and previously it didn't :-?

opensuse 13.1 en_GB.utf8 - System Settings->Locale says "Metric" opensuse 42.3 en_GB.utf8 - System Settings->Regional says "Imperial" Something has changed, I think. I took /usr/lib/locale/en_GB.utf8/LC_MEASUREMENT from openSUSE 13.1 and from 42.3 and compared them - they are identical. Unless I am misreading it, KDE's understanding or interpretation has changed. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.2°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/02/18 17:47, Per Jessen wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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After my somewhat problematic upgrade of 422 to 423 (desktop test system) last week, I have now done yet another reinstall - I was optimistically hoping okular might have been able to print properly now, but it looks like it's been getting worse.

okular defaults to using inches (instead of millimetres) and A5 ?? Changes to those setting are not saved. Second, I can't set the printer options - type of paper, paper source, etc.

The latter used to be available under a tab "Advanced":

In okular, press Ctrl-P, then "Properties", now a windows with two tabs "Page" and "Advanced" (the latter has the options I'm looking for). With leap423, I don't get any "Advanced" tab, instead I get "Job Options". (which has very few options).

The printing problem (scaled down to approx A5) remains the same. Just wondering, Per, if you have set the Locale in System Settings

On 07/02/18 00:15, Per Jessen wrote: properly? (And even configured the printer in Yast -- I know, this is one of the first things one configures after a new install...) Hi Basil

actually, it is set as one of the first things set during the install (language, keyboard) :-) Locale was one of my thoughts too - I'm using en_GB.utf8, as I always have. The scaled down printing issue appeared with Leap422, I don't think it is locale related.

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Just to complete my comment: I am using 42.3 and have no problems at all in printing using Okular: A4 paper et al. The printing issue might be related to the complete setup, but it is only as of Leap422 that it fails. Which locale are you using? en_AU.utf8 ?

Yep, that's the one :-) BC -- Always be nice to people on your way up -- you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org