Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those? -- André Malin andre@chezmalin.org andrem@electronicbox.net andre.malin@gmail.com Tel: +1 819 770 7932 Fax: +1 819 770 1810 Cel: +1 613 282 6229 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 19:02, André Malin wrote:
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
-- André Malin andre@chezmalin.org andrem@electronicbox.net andre.malin@gmail.com Tel: +1 819 770 7932 Fax: +1 819 770 1810 Cel: +1 613 282 6229 ========\ Most here will recommend you stay away from anything Asus! There are better, more compatible motherboard brands out there.
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BandiPat wrote:
========\ Most here will recommend you stay away from anything Asus! There are better, more compatible motherboard brands out there.
bye
Can you or anyone on the list name some brands (with model numbers) which are AMD 64. Looking to replace an older model Gigabyte AMD board. Terry -- openSUSE 10.2 (i586) -- 2.6.18.2-34-default -- Sat 12/30/06 7:25pm up 5:36, 5 users, load average: 0.81, 0.29, 0.33 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Terry Eck wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
========\ Most here will recommend you stay away from anything Asus! There are better, more compatible motherboard brands out there.
bye
Can you or anyone on the list name some brands (with model numbers) which are AMD 64. Looking to replace an older model Gigabyte AMD board.
Tyan or get another Gigabyte. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 16:39, BandiPat wrote:
... Most here will recommend you stay away from anything Asus! There are better, more compatible motherboard brands out there.
B.S. It's not about compatibility, it's about the fact that Asus won't help you if you call them and tell them you're using Linux. And "most here?" Prove it. Many of us own ASUS component and use them satsifactorily. ASUS hardware is good, and it uses stock components. There's really no reason to expect them to help you, since there's really nothing they can do or add. If the necessary drivers exist for Linux, then great. If not, it wouldn't matter which vendor selected that component.
bye
Yeah. Bye. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 16:39, BandiPat wrote:
... Most here will recommend you stay away from anything Asus! There are better, more compatible motherboard brands out there.
B.S. It's not about compatibility, it's about the fact that Asus won't help you if you call them and tell them you're using Linux.
And "most here?" Prove it. Many of us own ASUS component and use them satsifactorily.
ASUS hardware is good, and it uses stock components. There's really no reason to expect them to help you, since there's really nothing they can do or add. If the necessary drivers exist for Linux, then great. If not, it wouldn't matter which vendor selected that component.
FWIW, This is my 2nd ASUS mom board. Both have worked fine with Linux. I'm currently running an AMD 64 bit CPU. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 16:39, BandiPat wrote:
... Most here will recommend you stay away from anything Asus! There are better, more compatible motherboard brands out there.
B.S. It's not about compatibility, it's about the fact that Asus won't help you if you call them and tell them you're using Linux.
And "most here?" Prove it. Many of us own ASUS component and use them satsifactorily.
ASUS hardware is good, and it uses stock components. There's really no reason to expect them to help you, since there's really nothing they can do or add. If the necessary drivers exist for Linux, then great. If not, it wouldn't matter which vendor selected that component.
bye
Yeah. Bye.
RRS ========= Schulzy, We all realize you made a bad purchase decision when buying your Asus. We've listened to you trying to defend that decision on several occasions. We've also listened to you whine & moan & groan about
On Saturday 30 December 2006 21:05, Randall R Schulz wrote: things not working with it or having to alter things to get something to work. Just recently, I believe, when 10.2 was released there were cries for help coming from your direction! Now again, you come after us trying to defend your bad purchase decision of Asus motherboards. Just admit you chose poorly and leave it at that. There's no reason to attack others for their opinions about hardware. We don't hold your bad opinions against you, so why should you hold our good ones against us? Don't you have something more constructive to do with your time? bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 00:09, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:29, BandiPat wrote:
... Schulzy, ...
Nice try. 'A' for effort.
bye
RRS ======
Thanks, I'm glad you've decided to concede defeat. :-p bye again! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 09:06, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 00:09, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:29, BandiPat wrote:
... Schulzy, ...
Nice try. 'A' for effort.
bye
RRS
======
Thanks, I'm glad you've decided to concede defeat. :-p
Still tryin', eh? Well, being persistent is sometimes considered a virtue.
bye again!
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On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:32, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 09:06, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 00:09, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:29, BandiPat wrote:
... Schulzy, ...
Nice try. 'A' for effort.
bye
RRS
======
Thanks, I'm glad you've decided to concede defeat. :-p
Still tryin', eh? Well, being persistent is sometimes considered a virtue.
bye again!
RRS ==========
If nothing else, I am persistent, thanks for the compliment! bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 10:25, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:32, Randall R Schulz wrote:
...
Still tryin', eh? Well, being persistent is sometimes considered a virtue.
bye again!
RRS
==========
If nothing else, I am persistent, thanks for the compliment!
I said "sometimes." Not in this case, however.
bye
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On Sunday 31 December 2006 15:43, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 10:25, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:32, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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Still tryin', eh? Well, being persistent is sometimes considered a virtue.
bye again!
RRS
==========
If nothing else, I am persistent, thanks for the compliment!
I said "sometimes." Not in this case, however.
bye
Hi ==========
Well sometimes is all it takes many times. I guess any concession on your part is history making, so we'll go with it this time. bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 13:47, BandiPat wrote:
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Well sometimes is all it takes many times. I guess any concession on your part is history making, so we'll go with it this time.
Nothing has been conceded by me. You were clearly trying to bait me and it failed. You failed. The failure was all yours.
bye
Bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye. And good luck. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I've purchased dozens and dozens of ASUS MBs over the last 15 years (P4s & P5s) and found that under 24x7 operation they last about 5-6 years on average, and my 24x7 operations are clusters running password cracking apps that run the CPU at a 10% overclock at 100% for 6 - 8 months at a time 24x7 (Intel CPUs that are water-cooled). Not sure how much more you can ask for in reliability. If an ASUS MB is going to fail it will do so in the first 30 days, otherwise it will run hard for 5 - 6 years without a problem. But that's true for any type of "commercial" electronic PCB. I will agree that their US based Web site leaves something to be desired with respect to the FTP download bandwidth, it's way too slow... Until then, Bill Spernow Security Mentors, LLC CISSP, CISM, CEH, PMP, Net+, Sec+, CHS III -----Original Message----- From: Randall R Schulz [mailto:rschulz@sonic.net] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 9:08 PM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Asus M2N SLI On Sunday 31 December 2006 13:47, BandiPat wrote:
...
Well sometimes is all it takes many times. I guess any concession on your part is history making, so we'll go with it this time.
Nothing has been conceded by me. You were clearly trying to bait me and it failed. You failed. The failure was all yours.
bye
Bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye. And good luck. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 21:50, Bill Spernow wrote:
I've purchased dozens and dozens of ASUS MBs over the last 15 years (P4s & P5s) and found that under 24x7 operation they last about 5-6 years
Yes, I have used many Asus boards (not dozens like you, though), and every one of them ran Linux perfectly and lasted a very long time. In fact, I never had one fail. The only reason I don't still have them is giving them away when they were antiquated. I have 5 systems actively using Asus motherboards right now. The latest system I built used MSI, only because CompUSA happened to have an attractive deal on a MSI board and CPU combo. Bryan *************************************** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 KDE 3.5.2 KMail 1.9.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net *************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 13:47, BandiPat wrote:
...
Well sometimes is all it takes many times. I guess any concession on your part is history making, so we'll go with it this time.
Nothing has been conceded by me. You were clearly trying to bait me and it failed.
You failed. The failure was all yours.
bye
Bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye.
And good luck.
RRS ========= Nobody has to bait you Ran, you manage to slip the noose around your
On Sunday 31 December 2006 21:08, Randall R Schulz wrote: head all by yourself. We watch, we read, we laugh at you falling face first into the mud you make for others. You never seem to learn though and really with so many failures on your part, it would seem some knowledge would be gained along the way. tsk tsk Old Irish proverb: If you dig a grave for others, you might fall into it yourself. Hope you can climb out before the new year! buh bye! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 19:07, BandiPat wrote:
... Nobody has to bait you Ran, you manage to slip the noose around your head all by yourself. We watch, we read, we laugh at you falling face first into the mud you make for others. You never seem to learn though and really with so many failures on your part, it would seem some knowledge would be gained along the way. tsk tsk
All that matters here is knowledge and experience, and clearly mine exceed yours and that of the typical poster here by a large factor. Happy New Years to you, too. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 22:54, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 19:07, BandiPat wrote:
... Nobody has to bait you Ran, you manage to slip the noose around your head all by yourself. We watch, we read, we laugh at you falling face first into the mud you make for others. You never seem to learn though and really with so many failures on your part, it would seem some knowledge would be gained along the way. tsk tsk
All that matters here is knowledge and experience, and clearly mine exceed yours and that of the typical poster here by a large factor.
Happy New Years to you, too.
RRS =======
I'm thinking the fog over the bay and that in your head are closely related. In your own mind, I can understand how you would believe such things. Happy New Year to all who reside here! bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 20:25, BandiPat wrote:
...
I'm thinking the fog over the bay and that in your head are closely related. In your own mind, I can understand how you would believe such things.
Would you explain why you are trying to be so nasty to me? I have only represented my opinions, backed up by facts, about why I think the oft-repeated animus towards ASUS is unwarranted. But for some reason, you are bent upon attacking me with baseless and irrelevant accusations and innuendo. Why? RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 20:25, BandiPat wrote:
...
I'm thinking the fog over the bay and that in your head are closely related. In your own mind, I can understand how you would believe such things.
Would you explain why you are trying to be so nasty to me? I have only represented my opinions, backed up by facts, about why I think the oft-repeated animus towards ASUS is unwarranted. But for some reason, you are bent upon attacking me with baseless and irrelevant accusations and innuendo. Why?
RRS ======= You started it Randy, you always do. You attack then expect the reader not to react. You came into a conversation with the attitude everybody else was wrong that had an opinion and you were right. You do that a lot on this list. You seem to want to insert yourself or your ill
On Monday 01 January 2007 00:46, Randall R Schulz wrote: thoughts into more threads than is necessary, yet you continue to do so. You are either making someone mad or trying to with your comments. I think most here would agree, your thoughts and nastiness is not needed in a lot of the threads you feel you need to participate in. I can only guess you are bored with life and yourself that you need the attention by doing these things. Your statement last evening proves you have a high opinion of yourself, in your own mind, but I dare say that's not how the rest of us view you. That's why we find you laughable. Randy Quote:
All that matters here is knowledge and experience, and clearly mine exceed yours and that of the typical poster here by a large factor.
bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 06:39, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 00:46, Randall R Schulz wrote:
...
Would you explain why you are trying to be so nasty to me? I have only represented my opinions, backed up by facts, about why I think the oft-repeated animus towards ASUS is unwarranted. But for some reason, you are bent upon attacking me with baseless and irrelevant accusations and innuendo. Why?
RRS
======= You started it Randy, you always do.
False. This was my first posting on this thread: On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:05, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 16:39, BandiPat wrote:
... Most here will recommend you stay away from anything Asus! There are better, more compatible motherboard brands out there.
B.S. It's not about compatibility, it's about the fact that Asus won't help you if you call them and tell them you're using Linux.
And "most here?" Prove it. Many of us own ASUS component and use them satsifactorily.
ASUS hardware is good, and it uses stock components. There's really no reason to expect them to help you, since there's really nothing they can do or add. If the necessary drivers exist for Linux, then great. If not, it wouldn't matter which vendor selected that component.
If you think the mere use of the term "B.S." or a request to "Prove it." is an attack, then you are the one who is too thin-skinned.
You attack then expect the reader not to react.
I don't mind reactions. But you came in with this: On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:29, BandiPat wrote:
Schulzy, We all realize you made a bad purchase decision when buying your Asus. We've listened to you trying to defend that decision on several occasions. We've also listened to you whine & moan & groan about things not working with it or having to alter things to get something to work. Just recently, I believe, when 10.2 was released there were cries for help coming from your direction!
Now again, you come after us trying to defend your bad purchase decision of Asus motherboards. Just admit you chose poorly and leave it at that. There's no reason to attack others for their opinions about hardware. We don't hold your bad opinions against you, so why should you hold our good ones against us? Don't you have something more constructive to do with your time?
You start by mangling my surname. I find that offensive, and I think it was your intention to do so. You did it again later, calling me "Ran" and "Randy." Then you start to impugn my purchase choice and demand that I "admit" something that is simply untrue. You talk about "moaning and groaning." I did make legitimate complaints and file bug reports about problems in the SuSE Linux 10.2 releases, including one first introduced in the final release . And while those complaints did reflect symptoms using an ASUS P5B Deluxe board, they were not specific to ASUS, but rather to the specific Intel and JMicron chips they chose. Users with other vendor's boards using those chips would experience the same or similar problems. And if you do some searching on the Internet, as I did, you'll find they do. With the exception of the AGPgart bug introduced in the final release (and easily worked around), there is no problem running SuSE Linux 10.2 on an ASUS P5B Deluxe. I tried to ignore that by calling you on it as the attempt to bait me it clearly is. You would not back down and admit you were just being nasty for the sake of being nasty, so here we are. If you really wanted to make the tone here more civil, you would not act on that desire with public missives like these.
You came into a conversation with the attitude everybody else was wrong that had an opinion and you were right.
It really seems the problem is that _you_ cannot tolerate disagreement. I merely made and defended my point. And since you brought up this ASUS business again, I had to rebut it again.
You do that a lot on this list. You seem to want to insert yourself or your ill thoughts into more threads than is necessary, yet you continue to do so. You are either making someone mad or trying to with your comments. I think most here would agree, your thoughts and nastiness is not needed in a lot of the threads you feel you need to participate in.
I have a right equal to anyone else's to comment when I feel I have something to say. I don't like false statements going unchallenged. If you (or anyone) is going to make them and I see them and know something about the topic, then I'm going to reply. That's my right.
I can only guess you are bored with life and yourself that you need the attention by doing these things. Your statement last evening proves you have a high opinion of yourself, in your own mind, but I dare say that's not how the rest of us view you. That's why we find you laughable.
And now you're psychoanalyzing me and speaking for others on this list. In fact, your message contains several statements made on the behalf of people other than yourself. Again, I'm not the one with the problems, here.
Randy Quote:
All that matters here is knowledge and experience, and clearly mine exceed yours and that of the typical poster here by a large factor.
I do not go by "Randy" here because I know there are British and Australian subscribers who see that word as an adjective. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 10:34, Randall R Schulz wrote: [...]
You started it Randy, you always do. [...] Randall Schulz ========== Tell ya what Randy, I'll prove that I'm the bigger man. I'll not comment on this thread again. It serves no purpose to engage into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
really, bye! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 07:49, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 10:34, Randall R Schulz wrote: [...]
You started it Randy, you always do.
[...]
Randall Schulz
========== Tell ya what Randy, I'll prove that I'm the bigger man. I'll not comment on this thread again. It serves no purpose to engage into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Yet you go out with an insult. That does not make you look like the better man, it makes it look like you're giving up and casting one last barb. So be it. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
[...] Nobody has to bait you Ran, you manage to slip the noose around your head all by yourself. We watch, we read, we laugh at you falling face first into the mud you make for others. You never seem to learn though and really with so many failures on your part, it would seem some knowledge would be gained along the way.
Frankly, I am laughing at you, not at Randall. Remember the old thread on opensuse? http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-10/msg00352.html You've already tried Asus-bashing at that time - it's a good sign that many people don't believe you and oppose your position! Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 07:59, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
[...] Nobody has to bait you Ran, you manage to slip the noose around your head all by yourself. We watch, we read, we laugh at you falling face first into the mud you make for others. You never seem to learn though and really with so many failures on your part, it would seem some knowledge would be gained along the way.
Frankly, I am laughing at you, not at Randall. Remember the old thread on opensuse? http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-10/msg00352.html You've already tried Asus-bashing at that time - it's a good sign that many people don't believe you and oppose your position!
Th. =========
Tom, I was curious when you thought you might have to lend your typing to this thread. Are you and Randy joined at the hip or something. You seem to suffer from the same maladies that he does. You seem to like to attack rather than add anything useful. If you have something to add to the actual thread, then I'm sure others would be interested in reading, but if as you did in the other thread you mention, only feel the need to attack, then back away from your keyboard now.. bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 09:45 -0500, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 07:59, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
[...] Nobody has to bait you Ran, you manage to slip the noose around your head all by yourself. We watch, we read, we laugh at you falling face first into the mud you make for others. You never seem to learn though and really with so many failures on your part, it would seem some knowledge would be gained along the way.
Frankly, I am laughing at you, not at Randall. Remember the old thread on opensuse? http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-10/msg00352.html You've already tried Asus-bashing at that time - it's a good sign that many people don't believe you and oppose your position!
Th. =========
Tom, I was curious when you thought you might have to lend your typing to this thread. Are you and Randy joined at the hip or something. You seem to suffer from the same maladies that he does. You seem to like to attack rather than add anything useful. If you have something to add to the actual thread, then I'm sure others would be interested in reading, but if as you did in the other thread you mention, only feel the need to attack, then back away from your keyboard now..
Enough already guys. Take the opportunity in this new year to set aside this kind of stuff. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 16:35, Mike McMullin wrote:
Enough already guys. Take the opportunity in this new year to set aside this kind of stuff.
Ha .. You got more chance of getting struck by Lightning down a sealed , capped flodded , disused coal mine . Really have Pete (probably filterd out by a lot of the DRONGS but what the hell do i care they still talke to me under another name and IP ..:-) .. pete . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday January 01 2007 7:59 am, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
[...] Nobody has to bait you Ran, you manage to slip the noose around your head all by yourself. We watch, we read, we laugh at you falling face first into the mud you make for others. You never seem to learn though and really with so many failures on your part, it would seem some knowledge would be gained along the way.
Frankly, I am laughing at you, not at Randall. Remember the old thread on opensuse? http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-10/msg00352.html You've already tried Asus-bashing at that time - it's a good sign that many people don't believe you and oppose your position!
It's also a sign that there are a lot of people who DO agree with him, and a number of others who even though they do, don't want to get into a flame war again. Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/12/30 19:02 (GMT-0500) André Malin apparently typed:
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
Any particular reason why a board from a more cooperative manufacturer wouldn't suffice? http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:45, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 19:02 (GMT-0500) André Malin apparently typed:
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
Any particular reason why a board from a more cooperative manufacturer wouldn't suffice?
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't. For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:45, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 19:02 (GMT-0500) André Malin apparently typed:
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those? Any particular reason why a board from a more cooperative manufacturer wouldn't suffice?
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
Randall Schulz You said it. ASUS motherboards don't have support under Linux.
See http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us They state quite clearly > Currently only support ASUS Notebook and Motherboard for Microsoft Windows. -- Bob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:02, Bob Ewart wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:45, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 19:02 (GMT-0500) André Malin apparently typed:
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
Any particular reason why a board from a more cooperative manufacturer wouldn't suffice?
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
Randall Schulz
You said it. ASUS motherboards don't have support under Linux.
That statement is not even logical. It's the components on the board that either do or do not have drivers. It doesn't matter whether ASUS selects those components or some other manufacturer does. This is all the more true, since we've now decided that proprietary drivers are evil. Since Novell won't ship manufacturer's proprietary drivers, there's no consequence to whether ASUS (or any other mainboard vendor) supplies such drivers. Right?
See http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
They state quite clearly > Currently only support ASUS Notebook and Motherboard for Microsoft Windows.
Answer this question: What is the significance of this "support?" From all I can tell, it's "none at all." Who needs this "support" from the vendor? I mean, if there's a defective component or a failure within warrantee, then they should fix it. Other than that, the mainboard manufacturer is irrelevant to everyday installation and use of an operating system.
-- Bob
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Bob Ewart wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:45, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 19:02 (GMT-0500) André Malin apparently typed:
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
Any particular reason why a board from a more cooperative manufacturer wouldn't suffice?
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
Randall Schulz
You said it. ASUS motherboards don't have support under Linux.
See http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
They state quite clearly > Currently only support ASUS Notebook and Motherboard for Microsoft Windows.
Lot's of companies don't provide support for Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:17 PM, James Knott wrote:
See http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
They state quite clearly > Currently only support ASUS Notebook and Motherboard for Microsoft Windows.
Lot's of companies don't provide support for Linux.
I think it's that people tend to confuse phone support with the hardware supporting the software. I found very few motherboards these days that Linux doesn't run on, but it's hit or miss whether or not the company with give phone/email support for their hardware if one loads Linux. -ben -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 30 2006 23:02, Bob Ewart wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:45, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 19:02 (GMT-0500) André Malin apparently typed: You said it. ASUS motherboards don't have support under Linux.
See http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
They state quite clearly > Currently only support ASUS Notebook and Motherboard for Microsoft Windows.
And as you can see, reading VPD does not even work in Windows, so wtf! -`J' --
On 2006/12/30 19:49 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:45, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 19:02 (GMT-0500) André Malin apparently typed:
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
Any particular reason why a board from a more cooperative manufacturer wouldn't suffice? http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
Either you retained nothing from reading the provided link, or you didn't read it. Modern mass produced components do not have a 0% failure rate. Quite typically with modern vendors when the first 30 days after purchase has passed, they require the purchaser to deal with the manufacturer if warranty issues arise. When you think you have a warranty claim, you must convince the manufacturer you have a reasonable claim before they will authorize a warranty procedure. Good luck to you overcoming this obstacle when Asus learns you use Linux. Asus' horrid web site is reason enough to avoid their products anyway. -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:11, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 19:49 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:45, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 19:02 (GMT-0500) André Malin apparently typed:
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
Any particular reason why a board from a more cooperative manufacturer wouldn't suffice? http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
Either you retained nothing from reading the provided link, or you didn't read it.
I read it once upon a time (note that it's two and a half years old, now). But I own an ASUS board now and I like it. The article strikes me as written by someone who has decided he has a beef against ASUS and is going to take it out in print.
Modern mass produced components do not have a 0% failure rate.
We're not talking about hardware failures, are we? We're talking about "support" for Linux. And that is irrelevant.
Quite typically with modern vendors when the first 30 days after purchase has passed, they require the purchaser to deal with the manufacturer if warranty issues arise. When you think you have a warranty claim, you must convince the manufacturer you have a reasonable claim before they will authorize a warranty procedure. Good luck to you overcoming this obstacle when Asus learns you use Linux.
I suppose your "graceful" conversations preclude lying to the manufacturer, but you don't own them such a courtesy. Tell them you're running Windows and the board doesn't work. It won't boot and all you can do is remove it and return it. But this takes us back to the business of how much of one's time it's worth to deal with RMAs and all that rigamarole. You're better off in every way to simply replace a board that fails outside its warrantee period and move on.
Asus' horrid web site is reason enough to avoid their products anyway.
Of what concern is their Web site? It's good enough to retrieve BIOS updates, and that is the one and only thing you need from a mainboard vendor after you've purchased their hardware. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/12/30 20:23 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:11, Felix Miata wrote:
Modern mass produced components do not have a 0% failure rate.
We're not talking about hardware failures, are we? We're talking about "support" for Linux. And that is irrelevant.
Support includes getting an RMA when one is needed, and assistance in diagnosing whether one is needed.
Quite typically with modern vendors when the first 30 days after purchase has passed, they require the purchaser to deal with the manufacturer if warranty issues arise. When you think you have a warranty claim, you must convince the manufacturer you have a reasonable claim before they will authorize a warranty procedure. Good luck to you overcoming this obstacle when Asus learns you use Linux.
I suppose your "graceful" conversations preclude lying to the manufacturer, but you don't own them such a courtesy. Tell them you're running Windows and the board doesn't work. It won't boot and all you can do is remove it and return it.
When you're on the phone with some support tech, wanting to make your product work, instead of having to suffer downtime sending on an RMA, and he says do thus and so, and you can't because you aren't using a supported OS, how do you wing it? Some people are not OK with lying.
But this takes us back to the business of how much of one's time it's worth to deal with RMAs and all that rigamarole. You're better off in every way to simply replace a board that fails outside its warrantee period and move on.
That's fine for rich people like you, not people who expect a reasonable return on their investment in an Asus product, or those who expect fair treatment from support personnel.
Asus' horrid web site is reason enough to avoid their products anyway.
Of what concern is their Web site? It's good enough to retrieve BIOS updates, and that is the one and only thing you need from a mainboard vendor after you've purchased their hardware.
This presumes you can find needed update, or determine whether anything in the update might be a solution for a problem at hand. A purchase may be of a used Asus product from a source without a manual. Good luck finding that if your product is not current. There is more than one reason to need something from a manufacturer's web site. -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/30 20:23 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:11, Felix Miata wrote:
Modern mass produced components do not have a 0% failure rate.
We're not talking about hardware failures, are we? We're talking about "support" for Linux. And that is irrelevant.
Support includes getting an RMA when one is needed, and assistance in diagnosing whether one is needed.
Quite typically with modern vendors when the first 30 days after purchase has passed, they require the purchaser to deal with the manufacturer if warranty issues arise. When you think you have a warranty claim, you must convince the manufacturer you have a reasonable claim before they will authorize a warranty procedure. Good luck to you overcoming this obstacle when Asus learns you use Linux.
I suppose your "graceful" conversations preclude lying to the manufacturer, but you don't own them such a courtesy. Tell them you're running Windows and the board doesn't work. It won't boot and all you can do is remove it and return it.
When you're on the phone with some support tech, wanting to make your product work, instead of having to suffer downtime sending on an RMA, and he says do thus and so, and you can't because you aren't using a supported OS, how do you wing it? Some people are not OK with lying.
My cable company only "supports" Windows, however, I can still use their cable modem service. In my work, I've had a bit of experience with the main ADSL supplier. I'm working with communications equipment that connects to the ADSL modem. If I call the help(?) desk, they won't help me, if I can't click on the start button. They are unable or unwilling to make any attempt to solve the problem. This is despite the fact, that this is for a business customer and we're subcontracting to that same company that's providing the ADSL line. Sometimes you have to be able to work around the fact that the help desk is unable or unwilling to help. One thing you have to bear in mind is the help desk is generally low level staff, following a script. The trend of moving the help desk to India has only aggravated that situation. If you can get to someone further up, you can often get problems resolved. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 30 2006 19:49, Randall R Schulz wrote:
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
That's what the article is about...
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
...I agree that it stretches the point "ASUS does not support Linux" too much - and what about BSD? Clearly, when you buy ASUS and have problems, it is most likely a PEBKAC. Look at me, I got an EliteGroup L7S7A2 (or so), onboard sound works using snd-intel8x0 but the AC97 codec it uses is just craptastic - no hardware volume control. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 22:49, Randall R Schulz wrote:
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
I had three boards in a row 'smoke' on me when I first installed them. I was able to get replacements each time from the vendor. And the last of those three was in a complete new chasis that was assembled by the vendor. I finally shipped that back and told the vendor to reassemble it with an Intel MB and I haven't used ASUS since. At the time I was told that ASUS's quality control sucked and that they would re-ship returned boards without even looking at them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 22:49, Randall R Schulz wrote:
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
I had three boards in a row 'smoke' on me when I first installed them.
I was able to get replacements each time from the vendor. And the last of those three was in a complete new chasis that was assembled by the vendor.
I finally shipped that back and told the vendor to reassemble it with an Intel MB and I haven't used ASUS since. At the time I was told that ASUS's quality control sucked and that they would re-ship returned boards without even looking at them.
I'm on my 2nd ASUS mom board. The first I used for about 4.5 years, before upgrading to my current 64 bit ASUS system. Both have worked well with Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 10:59, James Knott wrote:
Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 22:49, Randall R Schulz wrote:
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
I had three boards in a row 'smoke' on me when I first installed them.
I was able to get replacements each time from the vendor. And the last of those three was in a complete new chasis that was assembled by the vendor.
I finally shipped that back and told the vendor to reassemble it with an Intel MB and I haven't used ASUS since. At the time I was told that ASUS's quality control sucked and that they would re-ship returned boards without even looking at them.
I'm on my 2nd ASUS mom board. The first I used for about 4.5 years, before upgrading to my current 64 bit ASUS system. Both have worked well with Linux.
I must be on my 6th or 7th Asus board. Never had a problem with Linux. Never had a board fail. Including the one that must be 20 years old and would still run today if I felt like plugging it in. Re-ship??? Asus doesn't deal with customers. By the time a board gets back to Asus the dealer would have handled it. The distributor would have handled it. Both would have checked the board in my expierence. By this point why would they re-ship a board that has failed two checks? Now your dealer might have returned the board to you. I do remember Nvidia running fast and lose with the video specs and causing problems. Not because the Asus board was out of spec but because Nvidia was counting on the MB to be poorly made and out of spec. But any board maker that does that is the one causing the problems. Nick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 10:59, James Knott wrote:
Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 22:49, Randall R Schulz wrote:
What on Earth is the significance of how "cooperative" a vendor is? Who needs there cooperation? You look at their hardware. If it's suits your needs and has support under Linux, you can choose it. If not, you don't.
For the life of me, I don't understand this vendetta against ASUS.
I had three boards in a row 'smoke' on me when I first installed them.
I was able to get replacements each time from the vendor. And the last of those three was in a complete new chasis that was assembled by the vendor.
I finally shipped that back and told the vendor to reassemble it with an Intel MB and I haven't used ASUS since. At the time I was told that ASUS's quality control sucked and that they would re-ship returned boards without even looking at them.
I'm on my 2nd ASUS mom board. The first I used for about 4.5 years, before upgrading to my current 64 bit ASUS system. Both have worked well with Linux.
I must be on my 6th or 7th Asus board. Never had a problem with Linux. Never had a board fail. Including the one that must be 20 years old and would still run today if I felt like plugging it in. [...] Nick ========= I believe Asus made a good motherboard, several years ago, but of late,
On Sunday 31 December 2006 11:06, Nick Zentena wrote: they seem to have forgotten about quality control and proper support for their equipment. I've had any number of people, both locally & elsewhere tell me they quit using them years ago! I think many people still get them from their previous experience, thinking they are still as good. bye, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2006/12/30, André Malin
Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
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Hi, my main desktop runs on Asus M2N32-SLI, it works fine, only problem i found is that lm_sensors won't work (SuSE 10.1). Ciro
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:17, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
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Hi, my main desktop runs on Asus M2N32-SLI, it works fine, only problem i found is that lm_sensors won't work (SuSE 10.1).
I have an Intel board for which the same is true. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Does anybody have any experience with that motherboard, I' m planing to buy one of those?
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