quoted from another mail:
The only way SuSE can compete is to get Yast to be able to resize an NTFS partition. I used to install around 5 7.3 systems per week. Now I've given up due to the time it takes to shrink NTFS with partition magic. And then not being able to dual boot with any reliability. This really needs looking into.
Cheers, Steve. ============
Steve, Take a look at the programs included with SuSE 8.2 discs. I don't know how reliable these are nor how well they work, but I do believe they work. Also, it seems there were some NTFS programs included with Mandrake. The SuSE programs are "ntfsprogs", if you do a search in YaST2. There are 4 programs included, mkntfs, ntfsundelete, ntfsresize & ntfslabel. Pat -- --- KMail v1.5.3-3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
Sorry Pat but I have to agree with Steve. My own experience trying to dual-boot an already installed winbox shows that yast refuses to resize the NTFS partition. Maybe the contrib tools work - maybe not. The issue here though is that we're asking newbies to get straight into some low level tweaking because yast couldn't do it. Damian BandiPat wrote:
quoted from another mail:
The only way SuSE can compete is to get Yast to be able to resize an NTFS partition. I used to install around 5 7.3 systems per week. Now I've given up due to the time it takes to shrink NTFS with partition magic. And then not being able to dual boot with any reliability. This really needs looking into.
Cheers, Steve.
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Steve, Take a look at the programs included with SuSE 8.2 discs. I don't know how reliable these are nor how well they work, but I do believe they work. Also, it seems there were some NTFS programs included with Mandrake. The SuSE programs are "ntfsprogs", if you do a search in YaST2. There are 4 programs included, mkntfs, ntfsundelete, ntfsresize & ntfslabel.
Pat
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Steve, Take a look at the programs included with SuSE 8.2 discs. I don't know how reliable these are nor how well they work, but I do believe they work. Also, it seems there were some NTFS programs included with Mandrake. The SuSE programs are "ntfsprogs", if you do a search in YaST2. There are 4 programs included, mkntfs, ntfsundelete, ntfsresize & ntfslabel.
Pat ======================== On Wednesday 10 September 2003 12:22 am, Damian O'Hara wrote: Sorry Pat but I have to agree with Steve.
My own experience trying to dual-boot an already installed winbox shows that yast refuses to resize the NTFS partition.
Maybe the contrib tools work - maybe not.
The issue here though is that we're asking newbies to get straight into some low level tweaking because yast couldn't do it.
Damian ================
Damian, No argument that I would like to see YaST2 be able to do it from the install too. Since it doesn't presently, having the tools available makes it better than when we didn't have anything to work on ntfs partitions. Since presently the only other alternative is to purchase an $80 program to do this, I think SuSE's answer is a good, inexpensive solution, don't you? Newbie or not, to alter ntfs partitions requires an additional program to resize. Wouldn't you rather have some tools provided to you by the distribution rather than fork out so much money to only use once? I think that is the big point, are there Linux tools available to do this job. Pat -- --- KMail v1.5.3-3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
BandiPat wrote:
Take a look at the programs included with SuSE 8.2 discs. I don't know how reliable these are nor how well they work, but I do believe they work. Also, it seems there were some NTFS programs included with Mandrake. The SuSE programs are "ntfsprogs", if you do a search in YaST2. There are 4 programs included, mkntfs, ntfsundelete, ntfsresize & ntfslabel.
I've previously used ntfsresize to resize w2000 partitions successfully so I'm reasonably happy that it works. But last time I tried to use it, it said it couldn't do anything. Looking at the disk with w2000, it had placed some system files in the middle of the disk. ntfsresize is apparently unable to move these before resizing. Luckily, I was able to borrow PartitionMagic to do the job. Still, I'd recommend partitioning the disk first if poss and then install windoze if you must. Cheers, Dave
Hi Pat, I would rather have the SuSE-provided tools. Even more I would like to know that they're there. Not exactly "advertised" are they ? Don't tell me it's all in the manual - I know it is, but I've used SuSE since 5.1 and have given up on the manuals for "power user" advice - that's not what SuSE wrote them for. Instead I've found workarounds but, like Steve, I get bored/frustrated when there are a lot of them to do. Oh, and so far the workarounds haven't involved an $80 purchase (touch wood)(pats head). Damian BandiPat wrote:
Damian, No argument that I would like to see YaST2 be able to do it from the install too. Since it doesn't presently, having the tools available makes it better than when we didn't have anything to work on ntfs partitions. Since presently the only other alternative is to purchase an $80 program to do this, I think SuSE's answer is a good, inexpensive solution, don't you?
Newbie or not, to alter ntfs partitions requires an additional program to resize. Wouldn't you rather have some tools provided to you by the distribution rather than fork out so much money to only use once? I think that is the big point, are there Linux tools available to do this job.
Pat
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 11:11 am, Damian O'Hara wrote:
Hi Pat,
I would rather have the SuSE-provided tools. Even more I would like to know that they're there. Not exactly "advertised" are they ?
Don't tell me it's all in the manual - I know it is, but I've used SuSE since 5.1 and have given up on the manuals for "power user" advice - that's not what SuSE wrote them for.
Instead I've found workarounds but, like Steve, I get bored/frustrated when there are a lot of them to do.
Oh, and so far the workarounds haven't involved an $80 purchase (touch wood)(pats head).
Damian ============
Ouch! Now stop that! :o) -- --- KMail v1.5.3-3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
BandiPat wrote:
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 11:11 am, Damian O'Hara wrote:
Hi Pat,
I would rather have the SuSE-provided tools. Even more I would like to know that they're there. Not exactly "advertised" are they ?
Don't tell me it's all in the manual - I know it is, but I've used SuSE since 5.1 and have given up on the manuals for "power user" advice - that's not what SuSE wrote them for.
Instead I've found workarounds but, like Steve, I get bored/frustrated when there are a lot of them to do.
Oh, and so far the workarounds haven't involved an $80 purchase (touch wood)(pats head).
Damian
============
Ouch! Now stop that! :o)
Stopped ;o) Damian
Hi Damian. Hi Pat. Just to sum up. Since Microsoft abandoned vfat, SuSE has taken a backward leap for newbies. It's no longer a case of putting in cd1, grabbing a cool beer and coming back with everything in place. We really need the SuSE guys to get us back to where we were installing and shrinking an ntfs partition. Not everyone on this list has the time or money to use partition magic (it takes 8 hours) and the tools provided in 8.2 really are not reliable. XP and 2000 users are reluctant to try SuSE once more because of this. I converted many a w98 user. Now it's become an unreliable hit amd miss nightmare rtfm again Vote: 'Yast2 should be able to resize a ntfs partition'. . .Those in favour. . . . . Cheers. Steve. On Wednesday 10 September 2003 17:11, Damian O'Hara wrote:
Hi Pat,
I would rather have the SuSE-provided tools. Even more I would like to know that they're there. Not exactly "advertised" are they ?
Don't tell me it's all in the manual - I know it is, but I've used SuSE since 5.1 and have given up on the manuals for "power user" advice - that's not what SuSE wrote them for.
Instead I've found workarounds but, like Steve, I get bored/frustrated when there are a lot of them to do.
Oh, and so far the workarounds haven't involved an $80 purchase (touch wood)(pats head).
Damian
BandiPat wrote:
Damian, No argument that I would like to see YaST2 be able to do it from the install too. Since it doesn't presently, having the tools available makes it better than when we didn't have anything to work on ntfs partitions. Since presently the only other alternative is to purchase an $80 program to do this, I think SuSE's answer is a good, inexpensive solution, don't you?
Newbie or not, to alter ntfs partitions requires an additional program to resize. Wouldn't you rather have some tools provided to you by the distribution rather than fork out so much money to only use once? I think that is the big point, are there Linux tools available to do this job.
Pat
hi, I have a western digital 120 gb harddrive that i am trying to install for SuSE 7.3. For some reason, the drive is detected as 1.8TB is that right? Doesn't seem right to me. henry
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