On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On 2/7/2012 2:49 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.

I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.

I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.

To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!

Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?

Thanks Greg

First point under Disadvantages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT#Disadvantages

Okay. What a pain.

Why not use NTFS? The Open Source drivers are pretty stable.  But I use Paragon with perfect success. http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-linux-per/download.html

I own / control the linux and Windows boxes. The Mac is a clients and very much want to avoid touching it any more than I have to.

Or use a commercial driver for exFat: http://www.tuxera.com/news/tuxera-exfat-now-available-for-android-and-linux/

I see the 2 year old press release, but not a product I can actually buy for openSUSE (or anything else for that matter.) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Philipp Thomas wrote:

On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:00:26 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

[folks, could you please cut down on quoting?]

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On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, John Andersen wrote: The Mac is a clients and very much want to avoid touching it any more than I have to.

Which version of MacOS is it running? If I remember correctly the system ntfs driver in Snow Leopard or later can be switched to write support.

Philipp

Philipp, I found a howto that showed editing /etc/fstab and adding an entry like: label=MyDisk ntfs rw 0 or something like that. Anyway, I've been doing command line UNIX/linux for 30 years, so I thought the above was easy enough. But no luck. I talked to a Mac expert friend of mine. He said Apple consider it a problem that you could force their driver r/w in MacOS 10.6, so they blocked that ability in MacOS 10.7. He didn't know if they pulled it from the kernel driver, or just did userspace tricks to block /etc/fstab from doing its magic. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 08/02/2012 01:05, Greg Freemyer a écrit :

If there are any large files, that will fail with fat32.

there is no correct solution (and I tried many). the best is ntfs, but be prepared to have "unable to write permissions" errors (can be ignored) and strange file name errors (unavoidable, but files are not copied) because ntfs share fat32 file names limits that ext3/4 do not have. and etx3 is not a solution because the windows drivers are picky about node size or read only and anyway not default (no idea for mac) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:05:03 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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linux can read HFS+ by default, osx's default fs.

But windows can't.

Paragon offers a rw HFS+ driver for Windows, see http://www.paragon-software.com/products/home/windows/filesystem Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2/7/2012 4:15 PM, Martin Helm wrote:

Am 07.02.2012 23:49, schrieb Greg Freemyer:

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I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.

I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.

I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.

To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!

Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?

Thanks Greg You can give the fuse-exfat from this home project on OBS a try https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=fuse-exfat&project=home%3AZaWertun%3Aexfat I do not know how good it is. http://code.google.com/p/exfat/

SOAPBOX This seems like Rambus all over again. MS gets the SD Card Association to adopt their proprietary stuff as a standard (conveniently just ahead of when the patent runs out on the old proprietary stuff), then charges a fortune for licensing it. /SOAPBOX -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 08.02.2012 14:33, schrieb James Knott:

ExFat is a proprietary Microsoft file system.

I still do not get the point here why the question of the OP is ignored if there is a way in linux to access it and I repeat there is a free open source GPL v3 implementation of the fuse-expat project available as a rpm for openSUSE and SLES on the Open Build Service, the links are contained in my previous email. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 8. Februar 2012, 14:44:07 schrieb Anders Johansson:

On Wednesday 08 February 2012 14:39:56 Martin Helm wrote:

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Am 08.02.2012 14:33, schrieb James Knott:

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ExFat is a proprietary Microsoft file system.

I still do not get the point here why the question of the OP is ignored if there is a way in linux to access it and I repeat there is a free open source GPL v3 implementation of the fuse-expat project available as a rpm for openSUSE and SLES on the Open Build Service, the links are contained in my previous email.

According to wikipedia, ExFAT is patent protected, which might mean it is something we can't ship even in the build service, much like media codecs

I'm not sure what the status is, but it's probably something legal should be looking at before the first lawsuit comes

Anders

That's a different story and you can contact the person who built it about your concerns and that it should be removed to a place where it is no problem (like packman). The OP can still build it from the google code project which I also cited if he lives in the 90% of the world (as i do) where such patents are invalid. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Excellent stuff :) So where is google code hosted? Why hasn't Larry Page been arrested? Good question, I wondered myself about it in the first place when I saw

Am 08.02.2012 15:18, schrieb Dave Howorth: that the original source code is there ;)

Does the link you provided, Martin, mean that the mailing list will be taken down for providing links to illegal content? Can we mention for example at all that there is a packman repository? Can we send any link at all to any public mailing list or forum? Almost absolutely everything I or someone else can even imagine and which can be reached by a link is at least at some place of the world probably illegal. Well I am not a lawyer and never was. I don't suppose there's any chance at all that the FLOSS community would treat this as an opportunity and get together to make sure that some open-source filesystem was completely supported on every platform and then push it for everbody to use as a royalty-free alternative. That would be wonderful to have that and my intention is of course not to propose that using exfat, ntfs or anything proprietary is a really good solution for the problem at hand.

Just one alternative mind you, not a whole gaggle of competing filesystems. :-P

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