[opensuse] What's the story with ExFAT?
I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE. I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has. I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it. To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it! Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area? Thanks Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/7/2012 2:49 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.
I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.
I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.
To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!
Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?
Thanks Greg
First point under Disadvantages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT#Disadvantages Why not use NTFS? The Open Source drivers are pretty stable. But I use Paragon with perfect success. http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-linux-per/download.html Or use a commercial driver for exFat: http://www.tuxera.com/news/tuxera-exfat-now-available-for-android-and-linux/ -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/7/2012 2:49 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.
I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.
I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.
To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!
Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?
Thanks Greg
First point under Disadvantages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT#Disadvantages
Okay. What a pain.
Why not use NTFS? The Open Source drivers are pretty stable. But I use Paragon with perfect success. http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-linux-per/download.html
I own / control the linux and Windows boxes. The Mac is a clients and very much want to avoid touching it any more than I have to.
Or use a commercial driver for exFat: http://www.tuxera.com/news/tuxera-exfat-now-available-for-android-and-linux/
I see the 2 year old press release, but not a product I can actually buy for openSUSE (or anything else for that matter.) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:00:26 -0500, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote: [folks, could you please cut down on quoting?]
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote: The Mac is a clients and very much want to avoid touching it any more than I have to.
Which version of MacOS is it running? If I remember correctly the system ntfs driver in Snow Leopard or later can be switched to write support. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Philipp Thomas <Philipp.Thomas2@gmx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:00:26 -0500, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
[folks, could you please cut down on quoting?]
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote: The Mac is a clients and very much want to avoid touching it any more than I have to.
Which version of MacOS is it running? If I remember correctly the system ntfs driver in Snow Leopard or later can be switched to write support.
Philipp
Philipp, I found a howto that showed editing /etc/fstab and adding an entry like: label=MyDisk ntfs rw 0 or something like that. Anyway, I've been doing command line UNIX/linux for 30 years, so I thought the above was easy enough. But no luck. I talked to a Mac expert friend of mine. He said Apple consider it a problem that you could force their driver r/w in MacOS 10.6, so they blocked that ability in MacOS 10.7. He didn't know if they pulled it from the kernel driver, or just did userspace tricks to block /etc/fstab from doing its magic. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:01:20 -0800, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote:
Or use a commercial driver for exFat: http://www.tuxera.com/news/tuxera-exfat-now-available-for-android-and-linux/
Tuxera only offers it for embedded Linux and you have to fill out a form and send it to their sales dept. in order to get a quote ... Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/7/2012 5:49 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.
I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.
I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.
To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!
Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?
Thanks Greg
Depending on which way you need to read vs write, and depending on if you are willing to install odd stuff on the mac... linux can read HFS+ by default, osx's default fs. osx can read and write ext2/3 with a free 3rd party add-on. osx can read/write ext4 with a pay add-on. osx can read NTFS by default, can write via both pay and free options. linux can at least read NTFS by default, can write if you install ntfs-3g which is even installed by default already in many cases. So I'd say install ntfs-3g on both and format the stick ntfs. That gets you painless windows compatibility too just as a bonus. Linux it's both free and effortless to install ntfs-3g, just select it in yast and done. Leaving onky you have to install something on osx, and there you have your choice of free and pay options. free, but more work and maybe no lion compatibility, or pay $20-$40 and have a painless commercial install with lion compatibility for at least one of them. Nicely summarized here: http://ntfsonmac.com/ Or, use an archive splitter / multi-volume archive format like rar to write all your stuff into multiple 2G files in a single multi-volume archive on the regular fat32 filesystem that both systems can read and write with no special software other than rar. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Brian K. White <brian@aljex.com> wrote:
On 2/7/2012 5:49 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.
I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.
I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.
To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!
Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?
Thanks Greg
Depending on which way you need to read vs write, and depending on if you are willing to install odd stuff on the mac...
linux can read HFS+ by default, osx's default fs.
But windows can't.
osx can read and write ext2/3 with a free 3rd party add-on.
osx can read/write ext4 with a pay add-on.
osx can read NTFS by default, can write via both pay and free options.
None of those are good. I truly need to not install stuff on the mac.
linux can at least read NTFS by default, can write if you install ntfs-3g which is even installed by default already in many cases.
At least on this Mac, it wasn't. Lion 10.7
So I'd say install ntfs-3g on both and format the stick ntfs.
That gets you painless windows compatibility too just as a bonus. Linux it's both free and effortless to install ntfs-3g, just select it in yast and done.
Yes, I use ntfs-3g all the time with opensuse. Never a problem.
Leaving onky you have to install something on osx, and there you have your choice of free and pay options. free, but more work and maybe no lion compatibility, or pay $20-$40 and have a painless commercial install with lion compatibility for at least one of them.
Nicely summarized here:
Or, use an archive splitter / multi-volume archive format like rar to write all your stuff into multiple 2G files in a single multi-volume archive on the regular fat32 filesystem that both systems can read and write with no special software other than rar.
Not great either because I wanted just "cp -a /Users /MyDrive/MyFolder". If there are any large files, that will fail with fat32.
-- bkw
Thanks anyway, Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/02/2012 01:05, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
If there are any large files, that will fail with fat32.
there is no correct solution (and I tried many). the best is ntfs, but be prepared to have "unable to write permissions" errors (can be ignored) and strange file name errors (unavoidable, but files are not copied) because ntfs share fat32 file names limits that ext3/4 do not have. and etx3 is not a solution because the windows drivers are picky about node size or read only and anyway not default (no idea for mac) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/8/2012 2:39 AM, jdd-gmane wrote:
Le 08/02/2012 01:05, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
If there are any large files, that will fail with fat32.
there is no correct solution
Man you sure said it all there. Such a perfect example of what's wrong with the way software has been developed and distributed. This problem is a 100% artificial problem. Two different companies profit motives, actively causing, as well as passively declining to help resolve, features that (by some shortsighted animal logic) profits them, at the expense of being counter-productive for everyone else, including their own customers, their own customers more than anyone else really. This crap is why it's not being "religious" to be religious about open source software. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:05:03 -0500, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
linux can read HFS+ by default, osx's default fs.
But windows can't.
Paragon offers a rw HFS+ driver for Windows, see http://www.paragon-software.com/products/home/windows/filesystem Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 07.02.2012 23:49, schrieb Greg Freemyer:
I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.
I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.
I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.
To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!
Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?
Thanks Greg You can give the fuse-exfat from this home project on OBS a try https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=fuse-exfat&project=home%3AZaWertun%3Aexfat I do not know how good it is. http://code.google.com/p/exfat/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/7/2012 4:15 PM, Martin Helm wrote:
Am 07.02.2012 23:49, schrieb Greg Freemyer:
I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.
I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.
I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.
To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!
Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?
Thanks Greg You can give the fuse-exfat from this home project on OBS a try https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=fuse-exfat&project=home%3AZaWertun%3Aexfat I do not know how good it is. http://code.google.com/p/exfat/
SOAPBOX This seems like Rambus all over again. MS gets the SD Card Association to adopt their proprietary stuff as a standard (conveniently just ahead of when the patent runs out on the old proprietary stuff), then charges a fortune for licensing it. /SOAPBOX -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer wrote:
I needed to have a external drive that I could easily move from Win7, Mac OS 10.7, and openSUSE.
I preferred it not to have the 2GB limit that vfat has.
I know ExFAT is supported on the Mac and on Win7, so I went with it.
To my surprise, both the Mac and Win7 have no issue, but at least a vanilla opensuse 12.1 won't mount it!
Is there something I can install, or hax linux fallen behind in this area?
Thanks Greg
ExFat is a proprietary Microsoft file system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 08.02.2012 14:33, schrieb James Knott:
ExFat is a proprietary Microsoft file system.
I still do not get the point here why the question of the OP is ignored if there is a way in linux to access it and I repeat there is a free open source GPL v3 implementation of the fuse-expat project available as a rpm for openSUSE and SLES on the Open Build Service, the links are contained in my previous email. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 February 2012 14:39:56 Martin Helm wrote:
Am 08.02.2012 14:33, schrieb James Knott:
ExFat is a proprietary Microsoft file system.
I still do not get the point here why the question of the OP is ignored if there is a way in linux to access it and I repeat there is a free open source GPL v3 implementation of the fuse-expat project available as a rpm for openSUSE and SLES on the Open Build Service, the links are contained in my previous email.
According to wikipedia, ExFAT is patent protected, which might mean it is something we can't ship even in the build service, much like media codecs I'm not sure what the status is, but it's probably something legal should be looking at before the first lawsuit comes Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 8. Februar 2012, 14:44:07 schrieb Anders Johansson:
On Wednesday 08 February 2012 14:39:56 Martin Helm wrote:
Am 08.02.2012 14:33, schrieb James Knott:
ExFat is a proprietary Microsoft file system.
I still do not get the point here why the question of the OP is ignored if there is a way in linux to access it and I repeat there is a free open source GPL v3 implementation of the fuse-expat project available as a rpm for openSUSE and SLES on the Open Build Service, the links are contained in my previous email.
According to wikipedia, ExFAT is patent protected, which might mean it is something we can't ship even in the build service, much like media codecs
I'm not sure what the status is, but it's probably something legal should be looking at before the first lawsuit comes
Anders
That's a different story and you can contact the person who built it about your concerns and that it should be removed to a place where it is no problem (like packman). The OP can still build it from the google code project which I also cited if he lives in the 90% of the world (as i do) where such patents are invalid. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Martin Helm wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 8. Februar 2012, 14:44:07 schrieb Anders Johansson:
According to wikipedia, ExFAT is patent protected, which might mean it is something we can't ship even in the build service, much like media codecs
I'm not sure what the status is, but it's probably something legal should be looking at before the first lawsuit comes
Anders
That's a different story and you can contact the person who built it about your concerns and that it should be removed to a place where it is no problem (like packman). The OP can still build it from the google code project which I also cited if he lives in the 90% of the world (as i do) where such patents are invalid.
Excellent stuff :) So where is google code hosted? Why hasn't Larry Page been arrested? Does the link you provided, Martin, mean that the mailing list will be taken down for providing links to illegal content? I don't suppose there's any chance at all that the FLOSS community would treat this as an opportunity and get together to make sure that some open-source filesystem was completely supported on every platform and then push it for everbody to use as a royalty-free alternative. Just one alternative mind you, not a whole gaggle of competing filesystems. :-P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Excellent stuff :) So where is google code hosted? Why hasn't Larry Page been arrested? Good question, I wondered myself about it in the first place when I saw
Am 08.02.2012 15:18, schrieb Dave Howorth: that the original source code is there ;)
Does the link you provided, Martin, mean that the mailing list will be taken down for providing links to illegal content? Can we mention for example at all that there is a packman repository? Can we send any link at all to any public mailing list or forum? Almost absolutely everything I or someone else can even imagine and which can be reached by a link is at least at some place of the world probably illegal. Well I am not a lawyer and never was. I don't suppose there's any chance at all that the FLOSS community would treat this as an opportunity and get together to make sure that some open-source filesystem was completely supported on every platform and then push it for everbody to use as a royalty-free alternative. That would be wonderful to have that and my intention is of course not to propose that using exfat, ntfs or anything proprietary is a really good solution for the problem at hand.
Just one alternative mind you, not a whole gaggle of competing filesystems. :-P
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