-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi there! I was wondering if I could get some advice as to a backup solution for my laptop. I am running SuSE v8.0 Professional on a Dell Latitude CPi. What I am looking for is either a tape or CD drive that works well with SuSE v8.0 via either a serial or parallel port. This is my home system and I do not have the option of backing the data up to a network. If anyone out there has any experience with this I would greatly appreciate their feedback. Thank you. Jesse -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFBGQZNVPKfvL+9l4QRAqN7AKCsaUHpJQBVmFMO5XOVhkksv8ZaowCgtwId dz3UxaeRtmf9jkcCPagR7O8= =u6+g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Serial or parallel? You're having us on, right? Nobody uses serial or parallel any more. They're too slow, and weren't good for that sort of thing in the first place. That's what USB was invented for, and that machine has one USB slot and two PCMCIA slots, so use those. Now you have a lot of options. You can get USB external CD burners at just about any street corner, not to mention the ubiquitous ZIP drives. Get a PCMCIA USB expander if you're already using the one USB port, and you're up and running. I use one by Micro Innovations, marketed by Compaq. A USB 2 downward compatible: works well. Personally, if your internal is only 6GB, I'd recommend an external USB drive. I use an IOmega 120G. It has a USB 2 port (backward compliant to 1) and Firewire ports so you can use it when you upgrade to something a little more modern. That device even comes with hands free backup software. External HDs are really the most cost effective solution, MB per $. ------- julian. On Aug 10, 2004, at 12:30 PM, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
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Hi there!
I was wondering if I could get some advice as to a backup solution for my laptop. I am running SuSE v8.0 Professional on a Dell Latitude CPi. What I am looking for is either a tape or CD drive that works well with SuSE v8.0 via either a serial or parallel port. This is my home system and I do not have the option of backing the data up to a network.
If anyone out there has any experience with this I would greatly appreciate their feedback.
Thank you.
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The Tuesday 2004-08-10 at 13:30 -0400, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
I was wondering if I could get some advice as to a backup solution for my laptop. I am running SuSE v8.0 Professional on a Dell Latitude CPi. What I am looking for is either a tape or CD drive that works well with SuSE v8.0 via either a serial or parallel port. This is my home system and I do not have the option of backing the data up to a network.
If anyone out there has any experience with this I would greatly appreciate their feedback.
¿Serial? ¿Parallel? Er... I hope you have lots of patience... and I mean _lots_. X'-) A serial port puts at most 115kbits/second, thats around 11 kbytes/s. A parallel port... somewhat more, depends on the exact configuration. I do have a parallel port Iomega zip drive (for "legacy" backups). Let me see, I'll time it now [...] 12856792 bytes read in 23.035 seconds, that's 545Kb/s. I can not time write speed, because it is buffered by the kernel, and it appears instantaneous, when in fact it is slower that read, of course. Assume half a megabyte per second. A 5 gigabyte backup would be... 2.8 hours, not counting the 20 zip disks I would need. But of course, Iomega has larger drives, but I wonder if they still sell them with parallel port cables. There are other makes, of course, but I mention that one because that's the one I have. Are you sure you can not use USB? Some old computers, Pentium class, started to have usb ports even if the box had no socket for it, and before there were devices to plug unto them. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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¿Serial? ¿Parallel? Er... I hope you have lots of patience... and I mean _lots_.
X'-)
Well, I like to think I'm a patient sort of person. :-) Seriously, I know the serial/parallel route would be slow, but I'm not backing up very much data (just /home so I can restore my data after upgrading to SuSE v9.1) so it wouldn't be too bad. I have been looking into USB, and the laptop I'm using does support USB v1. My main concern is finding a solution that SuSE v8 Pro and my laptop will work with and I don't want to spend the money on a USB device just to find out that I wont be able to get it to work, at least with a serial/parallel based solution I know I'll be able to make it fly. At this point I'm considering getting a USB HDD enclosure and putting a spare 20GB IDE HDD in it and trying that. I can get the enclosure for around $50 so it wont be a huge investment. Right now money is tight so I'm being fairly conservative on what I'm willing to try. Thanks for the feedback. Jesse -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFBHB1YVPKfvL+9l4QRAh8rAJ9tJhd8Ee/58qhnv0ac9/nngOcJ5QCfTTzm nKqjo6UrZ3Egcg2G1cu/BbM= =ajiO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thursday 12 August 2004 20:45, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
Hi Carlos,
¿Serial? ¿Parallel? Er... I hope you have lots of patience... and I mean _lots_.
X'-)
Well, I like to think I'm a patient sort of person. :-)
Seriously, I know the serial/parallel route would be slow, but I'm not backing up very much data (just /home so I can restore my data after upgrading to SuSE v9.1) so it wouldn't be too bad. I have been looking into USB, and the laptop I'm using does support USB v1. My main concern is finding a solution that SuSE v8 Pro and my laptop will work with and I don't want to spend the money on a USB device just to find out that I wont be able to get it to work, at least with a serial/parallel based solution I know I'll be able to make it fly.
At this point I'm considering getting a USB HDD enclosure and putting a spare 20GB IDE HDD in it and trying that. I can get the enclosure for around $50 so it wont be a huge investment. Right now money is tight so I'm being fairly conservative on what I'm willing to try.
Thanks for the feedback.
Jesse You might consider something like I've done on my box... if you have a huge HD so you're not cramped. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 2733 21952791 83 Linux /dev/hda2 2734 3648 7349737+ 83 Linux /dev/hda3 3649 7296 29302560 f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda5 3649 3760 899608+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda6 3761 7296 28402888+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda1= / (21952112)
/dev/hda2= /backups (7234296)
/dev/hda3=
Yes, i would strongly advocate that USB solution. You'll be better supported under SuSE with USB than you will with serial/parallel. I am new to SuSE, but I'm already amazed at how it unflinchingly identified my USB ports and external storage devices during installation - completely outclassed Red Hat 9, FC1 & 2. I must say, I think I'm a convert. If I can only find out how to enable the left/right handed selector on the mouse dialog it'll be perfect. j. ============= On Aug 12, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
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Hi Carlos,
¿Serial? ¿Parallel? Er... I hope you have lots of patience... and I mean _lots_.
X'-)
Well, I like to think I'm a patient sort of person. :-)
Seriously, I know the serial/parallel route would be slow, but I'm not backing up very much data (just /home so I can restore my data after upgrading to SuSE v9.1) so it wouldn't be too bad. I have been looking into USB, and the laptop I'm using does support USB v1. My main concern is finding a solution that SuSE v8 Pro and my laptop will work with and I don't want to spend the money on a USB device just to find out that I wont be able to get it to work, at least with a serial/parallel based solution I know I'll be able to make it fly.
At this point I'm considering getting a USB HDD enclosure and putting a spare 20GB IDE HDD in it and trying that. I can get the enclosure for around $50 so it wont be a huge investment. Right now money is tight so I'm being fairly conservative on what I'm willing to try.
Thanks for the feedback.
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This is about the legt-handed mouse thing : Try in KDE : KDE control center -> peripherals -> mouse Click on left handed.... it should work ! Under Gnome or other Window manager I don't know.... maybe with sax2 (which configure video and mouse !!) Best Regards Matthias Titeux Le vendredi 13 Août 2004 10:18, Julian Opificius a écrit :
Yes, i would strongly advocate that USB solution. You'll be better supported under SuSE with USB than you will with serial/parallel. I am new to SuSE, but I'm already amazed at how it unflinchingly identified my USB ports and external storage devices during installation - completely outclassed Red Hat 9, FC1 & 2. I must say, I think I'm a convert. If I can only find out how to enable the left/right handed selector on the mouse dialog it'll be perfect.
j. =============
On Aug 12, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
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Hi Carlos,
¿Serial? ¿Parallel? Er... I hope you have lots of patience... and I mean _lots_.
X'-)
Well, I like to think I'm a patient sort of person. :-)
Seriously, I know the serial/parallel route would be slow, but I'm not backing up very much data (just /home so I can restore my data after upgrading to SuSE v9.1) so it wouldn't be too bad. I have been looking into USB, and the laptop I'm using does support USB v1. My main concern is finding a solution that SuSE v8 Pro and my laptop will work with and I don't want to spend the money on a USB device just to find out that I wont be able to get it to work, at least with a serial/parallel based solution I know I'll be able to make it fly.
At this point I'm considering getting a USB HDD enclosure and putting a spare 20GB IDE HDD in it and trying that. I can get the enclosure for around $50 so it wont be a huge investment. Right now money is tight so I'm being fairly conservative on what I'm willing to try.
Thanks for the feedback.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2004-08-12 at 21:45 -0400, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
Hi Carlos,
¿Serial? ¿Parallel? Er... I hope you have lots of patience... and I mean _lots_.
X'-)
Well, I like to think I'm a patient sort of person. :-)
:-)
Seriously, I know the serial/parallel route would be slow, but I'm not backing up very much data (just /home so I can restore my data after upgrading to SuSE v9.1) so it wouldn't be too bad.
I see. But my /home is way over two gigabytes 8-) How about a CD recorder? Permanent backups are a nice thing to have. But you mentioned a laptop, and those units are more expensive, even if available. An usb external thing would be nice.
I have been looking into USB, and the laptop I'm using does support USB v1.
Well, v1 is slower than v2, by a fair bit. I forgot the numbers, perhaps somebody can expand on that.
My main concern is finding a solution that SuSE v8 Pro and my laptop will work with and I don't want to spend the money on a USB device just to find out that I wont be able to get it to work, at least with a serial/parallel based solution I know I'll be able to make it fly.
If it is a (USB) device known to work with Linux, you will be safe; but you also need it to work with v1. SuSE has a list of compatible hardware on their web site, but other times I found it was not up to date. But I think any USB solution will be a safer bet for you than a serial/parallel port one; I'm just thinking of the future, because there are many laptops nowdays that do not have a serial port, and the parallel one is going that road as well, I think. Therefore, a few years in the future you might have a new laptop and no way to connect your external backup thing.
At this point I'm considering getting a USB HDD enclosure and putting a spare 20GB IDE HDD in it and trying that. I can get the enclosure for around $50 so it wont be a huge investment. Right now money is tight so I'm being fairly conservative on what I'm willing to try.
I have never tried them, so I can't make a personal recomendation there; but it sounds good to me. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFBHrl6tTMYHG2NR9URAroKAKCVW7k87mXqvbahMUnd6tBdsjMzZACggNLM QnuDizeqoxs4QsXD3/RM1+c= =ehqe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 14 August 2004 21:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I see. But my /home is way over two gigabytes 8-)
Ah, yeah I can see where one would want a fairly efficient method for backing that up. /home for me is a wee bit small, coming it at around 5MB or so. :-)
How about a CD recorder? Permanent backups are a nice thing to have. But you mentioned a laptop, and those units are more expensive, even if available. An usb external thing would be nice.
I had considered that but I'm sure that I would even be able to find one for this Dell. It's fairly old. I've taken a look a a few external units and while they're a bit more pricey they are certainly an option, assuming I can get one which will support USB v1.1.
If it is a (USB) device known to work with Linux, you will be safe; but you also need it to work with v1. SuSE has a list of compatible hardware on their web site, but other times I found it was not up to date.
But I think any USB solution will be a safer bet for you than a serial/parallel port one; I'm just thinking of the future, because there are many laptops nowdays that do not have a serial port, and the parallel one is going that road as well, I think. Therefore, a few years in the future you might have a new laptop and no way to connect your external backup thing.
Yeah, given overall availability of devices I'll likely stay with a USB solution. I didn't know that laptop manufacturers were starting to drop support for serial and parallel devices, but that isn't really too surprising given the popularity of USB.
At this point I'm considering getting a USB HDD enclosure and putting a spare 20GB IDE HDD in it and trying that. I can get the enclosure for around $50 so it wont be a huge investment. Right now money is tight so I'm being fairly conservative on what I'm willing to try.
I have never tried them, so I can't make a personal recomendation there; but it sounds good to me.
One of my clients uses one at home and recommended as an inexpensive solution to the issue at hand. I've found a couple units that still support USB v1.1 so I'm thinking it may be worth giving a try.
Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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The Sunday 2004-08-15 at 10:51 -0400, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
Yeah, given overall availability of devices I'll likely stay with a USB solution. I didn't know that laptop manufacturers were starting to drop support for serial and parallel devices, but that isn't really too surprising given the popularity of USB.
Yes, they are dropping it; I don't know how many manufacturers, but it is more difficult to find one with serial port, at least at my part of the world. It makes sense for office use, but is is a pain for field service: there are many devices out there that come with a serial port for maintenance, from routers to PLCs (programmable logic devices). -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 16 August 2004 07:11, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, they are dropping it; I don't know how many manufacturers, but it is more difficult to find one with serial port, at least at my part of the world. It makes sense for office use, but is is a pain for field service: there are many devices out there that come with a serial port for maintenance, from routers to PLCs (programmable logic devices).
It does make sense for office/home use, but as you say if you are a field tech it could be an issue. I expect though that at least some manufacturers (IBM comes to mind) will still have models available with serial/parallel, or at least they will make it an option or some sort. PCMCIA serial ports anyone? :-)
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
Yes, they are dropping it; I don't know how many manufacturers, but it is more difficult to find one with serial port, at least at my part of the world. It makes sense for office use, but is is a pain for field service: there are many devices out there that come with a serial port for maintenance, from routers to PLCs (programmable logic devices). It does make sense for office/home use, but as you say if you are a field tech it could be an issue. I expect though that at least some manufacturers (IBM comes to mind) will still have models available with serial/parallel, or at least they will make it an
On Monday 16 August 2004 07:11, Carlos E. R. wrote: option or some sort. PCMCIA serial ports anyone? :-)
I'm no expert, but if you want to use a serial device and you only have a USB port, don't you just buy an adapter cable, like this example? http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=040816164724600&moduleno=29968 Cheers, Dave
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 16 August 2004 11:53, Dave Howorth wrote:
I'm no expert, but if you want to use a serial device and you only have a USB port, don't you just buy an adapter cable, like this example? <http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=040816164724600&modulen o=29968>
Nifty! I didn't even know you could get an adapter like that. Though I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. :-)
Cheers, Dave
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On Monday 16 August 2004 11:06, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
On Monday 16 August 2004 11:53, Dave Howorth wrote:
I'm no expert, but if you want to use a serial device and you only have a USB port, don't you just buy an adapter cable, like this example? <http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=040816164724600&modul en o=29968>
Nifty! I didn't even know you could get an adapter like that. Though I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. :-)
Cheers, Dave
Have a good day.
Jesse Using Google, put in 'Prolific' & then search within the results using 'pl-2303' and you'll hit pay dirt. ;-)
HTH... -- ..."Yogi" CH Namasté Yoga Studio "If music be the food of love, why can't rabbits sing?"
I'm no expert, but if you want to use a serial device and you only have a USB port, don't you just buy an adapter cable, like this example? <http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=040816164724600&modulen o=29968>
Cheers, Dave My ze5570us has no external com port so I did get the Prolific-2303 adapter and have had pretty good luck with it. The down side is that when I am using
On Monday 16 August 2004 10:53, Dave Howorth wrote: <SNIP> the USB port I cannot read/burn a CD-R w/o disrupting things & having to reboot to cure the problem. Simply ceasing the given activity is not enough. If I first unplug the Prolific & then read/burn a CD-R I have no problems. I am cetain this boils down to IRQs ...and the 2.4.21-xxx kernel isn't very good at IRQ sharing, though it is selected in the kernel config. FWIW... -- ..."Yogi" CH Namasté Yoga Studio "If music be the food of love, why can't rabbits sing?"
The Monday 2004-08-16 at 16:53 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:
I'm no expert, but if you want to use a serial device and you only have a USB port, don't you just buy an adapter cable, like this example? <http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=040816164724600&moduleno=299 68>
Right. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work as expected: notice that for some field uses you need to use old software provided by the manufacturer of the device you are trying to configure - even old dos software. For example, the software may use the serial port directly in hardware... I did that myself years ago, as dos did not have serial port services worth of the name. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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