[opensuse] Fontconfig fonts priority
Hi, current fontconfig configuration[1] sets the highest priority for Microsoft font. If user install them (i.e. Times New Roman, Arial, Consolas) they will be set as _default_ for respectively families (sans-serif, sans, monospace). Why do we promote Microsoft fonts instead support open fonts, shipped with system? I propose[2] to downgrade those fonts. Thanks to this, we keep our default font settings but those MS fonts will be still available for use. Whats Your point of view in this case? [1] - http://wklej.org/hash/8b4a01a9dc/ [2] - http://wklej.org/hash/dc1f3fa218/ -- Pozdrawiam / Best regards, Mariusz Fik openSUSE Community Member GPG: 5FCE 7241 B3B9 32FD 455B C30E 42D6 6C88 9E83 7C3D
Dnia wtorek, 31 stycznia 2012 22:43:11 Mariusz Fik pisze:
[1] - http://wklej.org/hash/9be27848ff/ -- Pozdrawiam / Best regards, Mariusz Fik openSUSE Community Member GPG: 5FCE 7241 B3B9 32FD 455B C30E 42D6 6C88 9E83 7C3D
On 2012/01/31 23:36 (GMT+0100) Mariusz Fik composed:
I propose[2] to downgrade those fonts. Thanks to this, we keep our default font settings but those MS fonts will be still available for use.
Whats Your point of view in this case?
[1] - http://wklej.org/hash/8b4a01a9dc/ [2] - http://wklej.org/hash/dc1f3fa218/
Here[1] is a better proposal, also with downgraded AMT fonts.
Suse Serif, Suse Sans, Vera Sans, DejaVu Sans, Vera Serif, & DejaVu Serif are all large for their nominal size at least at legible sizes (real 9pt & up), while Arial is distinctly smaller, and Times New Roman & the Vista fonts are all much smaller. I change my Fontconfig list to move the oversizes and undersizes (especially Consolas) away from the top of the lists. I put the Afgas near the tops, with the average sized Droids at the absolute tops. Compare http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-droid.html & http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesL.html & others from http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-index.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:43:11 +0100, Mariusz Fik <fisiu82@jabster.pl> wrote:
I propose[2] to downgrade those fonts. Thanks to this, we keep our default font settings but those MS fonts will be still available for use.
Wrong place to post this. The better forum would be the opensuse-factory list. hth Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 31. Januar 2012, 22:43:11 schrieb Mariusz Fik:
Are you sure that the free fonts have the same quality – even if anti-aliasing is disabled? I remember ugly characters with free fonts unless I would use bitmap fonts and that's a no-go IMHO. My suggestion is: Set the best quality fonts as default. Those that do not want to use MS fonts simply do not install them. There was a reason to prefer those fonts and AFAIR it was quality or lack thereof regarding the free fonts. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dnia środa, 1 lutego 2012 01:03:13 Sven Burmeister pisze:
The goal is: to not set those fonts as _default_ and not to get them rid off . Why Joe when install i.e. Consolas font should get it set as default monospace font? Maybe he want's only to use it in a single program? -- Pozdrawiam / Best regards, Mariusz Fik openSUSE Community Member GPG: 5FCE 7241 B3B9 32FD 455B C30E 42D6 6C88 9E83 7C3D
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0100, Mariusz Fik wrote:
Please continue this thread at opensuse-factory as it was already suggested as part of this thread. Therefore the Reply-To got set. The begin of this thread was here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-01/msg02101.html Why? Cause it's more likely that you'll get the required attention. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
Dnia wtorek, 31 stycznia 2012 22:43:11 Mariusz Fik pisze:
[1] - http://wklej.org/hash/9be27848ff/ -- Pozdrawiam / Best regards, Mariusz Fik openSUSE Community Member GPG: 5FCE 7241 B3B9 32FD 455B C30E 42D6 6C88 9E83 7C3D
On 2012/01/31 23:36 (GMT+0100) Mariusz Fik composed:
I propose[2] to downgrade those fonts. Thanks to this, we keep our default font settings but those MS fonts will be still available for use.
Whats Your point of view in this case?
[1] - http://wklej.org/hash/8b4a01a9dc/ [2] - http://wklej.org/hash/dc1f3fa218/
Here[1] is a better proposal, also with downgraded AMT fonts.
Suse Serif, Suse Sans, Vera Sans, DejaVu Sans, Vera Serif, & DejaVu Serif are all large for their nominal size at least at legible sizes (real 9pt & up), while Arial is distinctly smaller, and Times New Roman & the Vista fonts are all much smaller. I change my Fontconfig list to move the oversizes and undersizes (especially Consolas) away from the top of the lists. I put the Afgas near the tops, with the average sized Droids at the absolute tops. Compare http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-droid.html & http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesL.html & others from http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-index.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:43:11 +0100, Mariusz Fik <fisiu82@jabster.pl> wrote:
I propose[2] to downgrade those fonts. Thanks to this, we keep our default font settings but those MS fonts will be still available for use.
Wrong place to post this. The better forum would be the opensuse-factory list. hth Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 31. Januar 2012, 22:43:11 schrieb Mariusz Fik:
Are you sure that the free fonts have the same quality – even if anti-aliasing is disabled? I remember ugly characters with free fonts unless I would use bitmap fonts and that's a no-go IMHO. My suggestion is: Set the best quality fonts as default. Those that do not want to use MS fonts simply do not install them. There was a reason to prefer those fonts and AFAIR it was quality or lack thereof regarding the free fonts. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dnia środa, 1 lutego 2012 01:03:13 Sven Burmeister pisze:
The goal is: to not set those fonts as _default_ and not to get them rid off . Why Joe when install i.e. Consolas font should get it set as default monospace font? Maybe he want's only to use it in a single program? -- Pozdrawiam / Best regards, Mariusz Fik openSUSE Community Member GPG: 5FCE 7241 B3B9 32FD 455B C30E 42D6 6C88 9E83 7C3D
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0100, Mariusz Fik wrote:
Please continue this thread at opensuse-factory as it was already suggested as part of this thread. Therefore the Reply-To got set. The begin of this thread was here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-01/msg02101.html Why? Cause it's more likely that you'll get the required attention. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
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