Running SuSE 10.1 I note that the GNOME print dialog gives an option to create a PDF document, but if I select it, then it gives me a message that informs me that generating PDF is not supported. Any idea what I need to do/install/get to be able to use this function? Thanks PS: Why is this function listed in any case if it is not supported? -- Andre Truter | Software Consultant | Registered Linux user #185282 Jabber: andre_tux@jabberafrica.org | http://www.trusoft.co.za ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~ -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday 06 July 2006 15:43, Andre Truter wrote:
Any idea what I need to do/install/get to be able to use this function? I don't use GNOME.
I do create PDF documents regularly using OpenOffice running over KDE. Export to PDF works well. -- Kind regards, Mark H. Harris <>< harrismh777@earthlink.net -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:51:01 -0500 "Mark H. Harris" <harrismh777@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Thursday 06 July 2006 15:43, Andre Truter wrote:
Any idea what I need to do/install/get to be able to use this function? I don't use GNOME.
I do create PDF documents regularly using OpenOffice running over KDE. Export to PDF works well.
You can use OpenOffice or you can print to a postscript file and use ps2pdf. -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On 7/7/06, Mark H. Harris <harrismh777@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Thursday 06 July 2006 15:43, Andre Truter wrote:
Any idea what I need to do/install/get to be able to use this function? I don't use GNOME.
I do create PDF documents regularly using OpenOffice running over KDE. Export to PDF works well.
No, I know that and I use it very often. I want to print something as PDF, not create a PDF from scratch. I suppose I did not give enough detail. One of my suppliers use a financial program by Softline and it creates invoices in PDF format which they email to me, but unfortunately Acrobat Reader and Xpdf on Linux cannot render the Arial font correctly. Evince can, so I normally open the PDF in Evince and then print it to PostScript, then use ps2pdf to create a new PDF with the substituted font. This PDF is readable in both Xpdf and Acrobat Reader. So, I save the invoices in that format. So, if I could just print it directly to PDF from Evince then it would save me some time. -- Andre Truter | Software Consultant | Registered Linux user #185282 Jabber: andre_tux@jabberafrica.org | http://www.trusoft.co.za ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~ -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu July 6 2006 13:43, Andre Truter wrote:
PS: Why is this function listed in any case if it is not supported?
This is typical for GNOME development and products. If not for Ximian and Novell Gnome was in disfavor my many and was only supported (at least to any appreciable amount) by RH and a few Deb distros (that is until the likes of Umbuntu, etc). There are indie SuSE developers that have made GNOME more functional for SuSE previously. Now that Novell has stepped up devel on GNOME things have gotten better. GNOME's appeal is mostly for the look and the gtk engine. QT seems to raise issues with the suits, therefore the push for GNOME and why Novell tried to make GNOME the default (as in only supported) desktop. This caused a furor of protests and upheaval on the list, and threatened a mass exodus away from Novell SuSEn (and in that vein a lot of talk about a SuSE offshoot). As a rule, in my personal experience, GNOME is often incomplete and halfbaked. When it works it generally works well - when it works. I of course could be wrong and please correct me if I'm am (re: pdf and gnome functionality). If you're (figuratively) a sys admin and need to run Linux Desktop for l-users then GNOME has some advantages (in regards to those that formerly ran Winblows or similar). But for end users such as ourselves that aren't inclined to run Blackbox, or xfce (one of my favs) KDE is much easier to configure and generally more functional. Just MHO, Curtis. - -- Spammers Beware: Tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! Warning: Individuals throwing objects at the crocodiles will be asked to retrieve them! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFErZtG7CQBg4DqqCwRApToAKDKQWd1WsW2dx9TPnGWMz+RpzoKiQCY5iRg ljj1MEBQ+24Kd9LGXMThLw== =lKZe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On 7/7/06, Curtis Rey <crey@san.rr.com> wrote:
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On Thu July 6 2006 13:43, Andre Truter wrote:
PS: Why is this function listed in any case if it is not supported?
This is typical for GNOME development and products. If not for Ximian and Novell Gnome was in disfavor my many and was only supported (at least to any appreciable amount) by RH and a few Deb distros (that is until the likes of Umbuntu, etc). [...]
OK, but if this is a flaw of the Big and Evil GNOME, then why does it work perfectly on Ubuntu for example? I note that people that prefer KDE tend to be very much against GNOME. I happen to like GNOME and I don't have a problem with KDE or any other desktop. I just like GNOME more than KDE. Why do KDE people have to attack GNOME? Does it pose a threat to KDE? I have both installed (as well as XFCE and others) on some machines and on none of those machines have GNOME eaten up my KDE or even looked skew at KDE. They seem to work together quite happilly. -- Andre Truter | Software Consultant | Registered Linux user #185282 Jabber: andre_tux@jabberafrica.org | http://www.trusoft.co.za ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~ -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu July 6 2006 23:53, Andre Truter wrote:
On 7/7/06, Curtis Rey <crey@san.rr.com> wrote:
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On Thu July 6 2006 13:43, Andre Truter wrote:
PS: Why is this function listed in any case if it is not supported?
This is typical for GNOME development and products. If not for Ximian and Novell Gnome was in disfavor my many and was only supported (at least to any appreciable amount) by RH and a few Deb distros (that is until the likes of Umbuntu, etc).
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OK, but if this is a flaw of the Big and Evil GNOME, then why does it work perfectly on Ubuntu for example?
I note that people that prefer KDE tend to be very much against GNOME. I happen to like GNOME and I don't have a problem with KDE or any other desktop. I just like GNOME more than KDE. Why do KDE people have to attack GNOME? Does it pose a threat to KDE? I have both installed (as well as XFCE and others) on some machines and on none of those machines have GNOME eaten up my KDE or even looked skew at KDE. They seem to work together quite happilly.
In some respects GNOME does indeed pose a threat to KDE for many. It seems to revolve around issues between GTK and QT and the suits - licensing IIRC. Years ago there was an announcement at one of the major Linux conventions that GNOME was the favored desktop. The manner in which this came about seemed to be political (in terms of business politics, not congressional or presidential). Furthermore, this was early in the development of both desktops so one might argue that it was more or less a level playing field. But KDEdevelopment (at the time) was more robust and cogent. GNOME seemed to stumble. Also the switch from sawfish to metacity further alienated many. GNOME was viewed as having dropped the ball and to be relying on connections in the corporate sector over that of the developers sector. Now I agree that GNOME is fine for those that use it and this is what Linux/FOSS is all about - choice. However, take the example of Novell announcing GNOME as the default desktop. This was especially erksum in light of the fact that the overwhelming majority of SuSE users use and work with KDE. So when the announcement came out from Novell the SuSE community screamed long and loudly. Once again politics at the level of the suits with disregard to the user community. Now one could rightly argue GNOME is a vastly a more political environment (similar to the manner of XFree86 - a political mess and it shows in the code [xfree86]). On the otherside, Novell did buy Ximian so the push to GNOME makes sense to a point. Why would Novell by Ximian and then not implement it's new acquisition? But De Icazza (spelling?) said himself that GNOME has caused angst among certain people and entities. Case in point was a Brazilian business started with GNOME yet became frustrated and switched to KDE. There's bad blood between KDE and GNOME because GNOME gets all the suits to support it while falling down on the devel and innovational front and KDE strives to continue to innovate yet gets shunned (more or less) by the corporate and press sectors - marketing seems to be one of GNOMEs strong suits. This problem has prompted many observers to call for a unified desktop to end the "fracture" in this arena. This has yet to happen and likely won't since it is antethecal to FOSS and choice by many. I personally find the devs at GNOME to be similar to those at XFree86 - arrogant and elitist. Pair this with caterring to the suits and perhaps one might see where the angst in the KDE community may come from. Once again. SuSE and GNOME have been fringe to each other for some time now - at least until Novell bought SuSE and Ximian. KDE users and devs feel they are often taking a back seat to GNOME. This angers many, especially since KDE development seems to be more stable and predictable than that of GNOME - yet GNOME gets all the limelight. Just MHO, Curtis. - -- Spammers Beware: Tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! Warning: Individuals throwing objects at the crocodiles will be asked to retrieve them! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFErqd87CQBg4DqqCwRAh9kAJ0XX584vgl/oeMfYswwJN0sn2SKawCgx2sx K2wZNhT1uK5Z3X5yQwCmau8= =LPvX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On 7/7/06, Curtis Rey <crey@san.rr.com> wrote:
KDE community may come from. Once again. SuSE and GNOME have been fringe to each other for some time now - at least until Novell bought SuSE and Ximian. KDE users and devs feel they are often taking a back seat to GNOME. This angers many, especially since KDE development seems to be more stable and predictable than that of GNOME - yet GNOME gets all the limelight.
Hmm.. Interesting. I guess it all depends from which angle you see things. The way I perceive it is that GNOME has always and still are taking the back seat to KDE in SuSE. The KDE environment on SUSE is much better integrated and smooth than the GNOME environement on SUSE. Compare GNOME on SUSE for instance with GNOME on Ubuntu and take my original question as an example. So, the way that I see it is that, even though the suits are pushing GNOME in SLED, KDE is ruling SUSE and openSUSE. So I don't really see why people complain. I can understand that people might think that new Linux users might lean towards GNOME because that is what is pushed onto them in corporate marketing and commercial systems that might be rolled out at thier place of work. But I do not see it as such a big risk. If KDE is technically and ergonomically superiour to GNOME, then people would still use it when they get thier home computer converted to Linux, which will probably be openSUSE or SUSE (not SLED) Maybe I underestimate the average user and the influence of marketing. I know that marketing is powerful, but I think that in the case of OpenSource, where people have a choice, technical superiority will have a bigger influence against marketing. Unlike the proprietary market, where people are only exposed to marketing and do not have a choice, so they never get in touch with the technical superiour product, so they start to believe that watever the market is forcing onto them is the only choice. This was the situation in the PC market for very long and the reason why Windows was so successful. But look what is starting to happen now that people are being exposed more and more to a choice in the PC OS market. Therefore, I don't see Novell's choice for SLED as a threat to KDE. Also take the XFree86/Xorg situation into account, then one can deduct that if KDE is superiour to GNOME, then it will prevail and GNOME is not a threat. That is how I see it. But I still prefer my GNOME and SUSE, even though it is taking the back seat in SUSE and I have to use some KDE and Qt apps for some things. I can live with it. -- Andre Truter | Software Consultant | Registered Linux user #185282 Jabber: andre_tux@jabberafrica.org | http://www.trusoft.co.za ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~ -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Friday 07 July 2006 13:27, Curtis Rey wrote:
Now I agree that GNOME is fine for those that use it and this is what Linux/FOSS is all about - choice. Yes. I prefer KDE over GNOME for the reasons previously listed, however, I do not wish to see GNOME "vanish," nor do I really want to see a unified desktop. Call it the Pepsi/Coke, Chevy/Ford thing. Everything about it including the flame wars, competition, egos, resentment, pride, glory, limelight, simplicity, power, and innovation--- make for a better product from which to choose. They (KDE and GNOME) play off of each other--sharpen each other (if you will) like steel on steel--creating a better experience for everyone regardless of their choice. So, I'm not a GNOME basher, I just prefer KDE. At this point in time it seems more stable, and for my open choice that's important.
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