[opensuse] What's the purpose of Plasma?
I have just discovered that in KDE3 you can imbeed any windows into the desktop. The windows then has no borders, cannot be moved, shown behind all other windows, disappears from the taskbar and window selector. Like as in this screenshot: http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/5266021.png Of note that the application have not to be specially written to allow for that. What's the purpose of Plasma then? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 26. August 2010, 11:23:20 schrieb Ilya Chernykh:
I have just discovered that in KDE3 you can imbeed any windows into the desktop. The windows then has no borders, cannot be moved, shown behind all other windows, disappears from the taskbar and window selector. Like as in this screenshot:
http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/5266021.png
Of note that the application have not to be specially written to allow for that.
What's the purpose of Plasma then?
Damn! You got the KDE4 devs there! The sole purpose of Plasma was to have an embedded window on the desktop and now you can do the same on other desktops as well... ...yet maybe google helps you find http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma and maybe you remember that you were told that a redesign and rewrite of kicker and the other desktop items was needed to get rid of the hackish and unmaintainable code that the kicker and other items of the desktop consisted of in KDE3. There is e.g. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127466 years old, lot of votes yet no fix yet although it is allegedly so easy to maintain (i.e. to fix bugs) that almost bug-free code. I could not do my work with kicker not showing up anymore! Yet I had different wallpapers for each desktop! And there are many other unfixed bugs and unfulfilled feature requests regarding kicker, lots of crashes etc. https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=kicker&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=UNMAINTAINED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Importance&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= Have fun maintaining (i.e. fixing and not just keeping building). Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 August 2010 14:01:33 Sven Burmeister wrote:
...yet maybe google helps you find http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma and maybe you remember that you were told that a redesign and rewrite of kicker and the other desktop items was needed to get rid of the hackish and unmaintainable code that the kicker and other items of the desktop consisted of in KDE3.
Then why not to take kicker from KDE2? It's bugfree...
There is e.g. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127466 years old, lot of votes yet no fix yet although it is allegedly so easy to maintain (i.e. to fix bugs) that almost bug-free code. I could not do my work with kicker not showing up anymore! Yet I had different wallpapers for each desktop!
And there are many other unfixed bugs and unfulfilled feature requests regarding kicker, lots of crashes etc.
Never experienced a single kicker crash (unlike Plasma...) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 August 2010 11:23:20 Ilya Chernykh wrote: <something kde related> Could you please take this to the opensuse-kde mailing list in future? Thanks Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010 11:23:20 Ilya Chernykh wrote: <something kde related>
Could you please take this to the opensuse-kde mailing list in future?
Or at least put "KDE" in the subject line so my filter will delete it :) Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 12:39 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010 11:23:20 Ilya Chernykh wrote: <something kde related> Could you please take this to the opensuse-kde mailing list in future?
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On Thursday 26 August 2010 12:39:33 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010 11:23:20 Ilya Chernykh wrote: <something kde related>
Could you please take this to the opensuse-kde mailing list in future?
Ilya is trolling, plain and simple. The problem with it is it poisons the list, when as the default English user support list questions regarding KDE are as normal and valid here as Xorg, fstab, Samba and hardware question. So to Ilya: consider this a warning - stop trying to start flamewars or there will be consequences: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette To everyone else: Please don't feed the troll, and please use the ignore thread function of your mail clients until we get the outbreak under control. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 August 2010, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010 12:39:33 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010 11:23:20 Ilya Chernykh wrote: <something kde related>
Could you please take this to the opensuse-kde mailing list in future?
Ilya is trolling, plain and simple.
Is there no way we can get the admins to bar him? Dylan -- “ ‘... but there is so much else behind what I say. It makes itself known to me so slowly, so incompletely! ...’ ” -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dylan wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010 12:39:33 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010 11:23:20 Ilya Chernykh wrote: <something kde related>
Could you please take this to the opensuse-kde mailing list in future? Ilya is trolling, plain and simple.
Is there no way we can get the admins to bar him?
I find this all rather amusing. The list banned Aaron Kulkis, I submit, for good reason. He was insulting, his posts would devolve into ad hominem attacks, he would use profanity, etc. But Ilya asks a rather simple question, perhaps baiting in that he might have known that developers would go defensive and ballistic and indeed that happens, but a simple, reasoned question nonetheless. If he had added one of those smiley things, so that everyone would get that he expected angst, would that have been OK? Maybe we need to look more carefully at the /reaction/ and what might have caused all of that defensiveness, rather than the original post. And, as always, one can choose /not/ to take the bait. IMHO. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
But Ilya asks a rather simple question, perhaps baiting in that he might have known that developers would go defensive and ballistic and indeed that happens, but a simple, reasoned question nonetheless. Wouldn't that be the definition of trolling?
If he had added one of those smiley things, so that everyone would get that he expected angst, would that have been OK?
Because he's not trying to be humorous or friendly. He's just trolling KDE4 at every moment he gets.
Maybe we need to look more carefully at the /reaction/ and what might have caused all of that defensiveness, rather than the original post. And, as always, one can choose /not/ to take the bait. Still defining trolling.
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On 8/26/2010 10:14 AM, Michael S. Dunsaavage wrote:
But Ilya asks a rather simple question, perhaps baiting in that he might have known that developers would go defensive and ballistic and indeed that happens, but a simple, reasoned question nonetheless. Wouldn't that be the definition of trolling?
If he had added one of those smiley things, so that everyone would get that he expected angst, would that have been OK?
Because he's not trying to be humorous or friendly. He's just trolling KDE4 at every moment he gets.
Maybe we need to look more carefully at the /reaction/ and what might have caused all of that defensiveness, rather than the original post. And, as always, one can choose /not/ to take the bait. Still defining trolling.
"I'm stupid and helpless! Admins! Protect me from the smart people that talk about things that make me wig out!" -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday, August 26, 2010 08:58:24 pm Brian K. White wrote:
"I'm stupid and helpless! Admins! Protect me from the smart people that talk about things that make me wig out!"
me too, that's why i'm using the "ignore thread" button (you have to configure the toolbar to get it there) whenever i find a troll-thread. doesn't disturb me anymore and my blood pressure remains calm. that much from the user's POV. if and when the admins decide to ban someone is up to them, and i agree with what i perceive as the praxis here, to wait until it gets really nasty. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 27 August 2010 06:13:47 am phanisvara das wrote:
On Thursday, August 26, 2010 08:58:24 pm Brian K. White wrote:
"I'm stupid and helpless! Admins! Protect me from the smart people that talk about things that make me wig out!"
me too, that's why i'm using the "ignore thread" button (you have to configure the toolbar to get it there) whenever i find a troll-thread. doesn't disturb me anymore and my blood pressure remains calm.
that much from the user's POV. if and when the admins decide to ban someone is up to them, and i agree with what i perceive as the praxis here, to wait until it gets really nasty.
-- phani. naw, let's eliminate the problem before it even shows up! let's start analyzing everyone's posts and screen out the one's that "might show signs of discord and ban them before they even start.... who knows, they might be deep cover terrorists, trying to destabilize our advanced paradise.... dimitris
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2010. augusztus 27. 22:30 napon kanenas@hawaii.rr.com írta:
On Friday 27 August 2010 06:13:47 am phanisvara das wrote:
On Thursday, August 26, 2010 08:58:24 pm Brian K. White wrote:
"I'm stupid and helpless! Admins! Protect me from the smart people that talk about things that make me wig out!"
me too, that's why i'm using the "ignore thread" button (you have to configure the toolbar to get it there) whenever i find a troll-thread. doesn't disturb me anymore and my blood pressure remains calm.
that much from the user's POV. if and when the admins decide to ban someone is up to them, and i agree with what i perceive as the praxis here, to wait until it gets really nasty.
-- phani. naw, let's eliminate the problem before it even shows up! let's start analyzing everyone's posts and screen out the one's that "might show signs of discord and ban them before they even start.... who knows, they might be deep cover terrorists, trying to destabilize our advanced paradise.... dimitris
+1! +1! +1! +1! Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 23:30 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2010. augusztus 27. 22:30 napon kanenas@hawaii.rr.com írta:
On Friday 27 August 2010 06:13:47 am phanisvara das wrote:
"I'm stupid and helpless! Admins! Protect me from the smart people that talk about things that make me wig out!" me too, that's why i'm using the "ignore thread" button (you have to configure the toolbar to get it there) whenever i find a troll-thread. doesn't disturb me anymore and my blood pressure remains calm.
On Thursday, August 26, 2010 08:58:24 pm Brian K. White wrote: that much from the user's POV. if and when the admins decide to ban someone is up to them, and i agree with what i perceive as the praxis here, to wait until it gets really nasty. -- phani. naw, let's eliminate the problem before it even shows up! let's start analyzing everyone's posts and screen out the one's that "might show signs of discord and ban them before they even start.... who knows, they might be deep cover terrorists, trying to destabilize our advanced paradise.... dimitris
+1! +1! +1! +1!
Fine, whatever. Let's just create an opensuse-nonkde list that is an open technical discussion forums for any topic NOT related to KDE. Then anyone who actually believes these threads are useful can stay here and everyone else can leave. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 23:30 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2010. augusztus 27. 22:30 napon kanenas@hawaii.rr.com írta:
On Friday 27 August 2010 06:13:47 am phanisvara das wrote:
On Thursday, August 26, 2010 08:58:24 pm Brian K. White wrote:
"I'm stupid and helpless! Admins! Protect me from the smart people that talk about things that make me wig out!"
me too, that's why i'm using the "ignore thread" button (you have to configure the toolbar to get it there) whenever i find a troll-thread. doesn't disturb me anymore and my blood pressure remains calm. that much from the user's POV. if and when the admins decide to ban someone is up to them, and i agree with what i perceive as the praxis here, to wait until it gets really nasty. -- phani.
naw, let's eliminate the problem before it even shows up! let's start analyzing everyone's posts and screen out the one's that "might show signs of discord and ban them before they even start.... who knows, they might be deep cover terrorists, trying to destabilize our advanced paradise.... dimitris
+1! +1! +1! +1!
Fine, whatever. Let's just create an opensuse-nonkde list that is an open technical discussion forums for any topic NOT related to KDE. Then anyone who actually believes these threads are useful can stay here and everyone else can leave.
DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS. It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS. Just hit the FUCKIN' - DEL - key and SHUT-UP and MOVE ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TIRED OF THIS KIND OF FIGHTIN', Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 8/28/2010 5:11 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME.
I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Just hit the FUCKIN' - DEL - key and SHUT-UP and MOVE ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIRED OF THIS KIND OF FIGHTIN', Duaine It's not the amount of emails about KDE4, it's the emails TROLLING about KDE4. Do people come on your list and just say Grand Pianos suck because bla bla bla and have no actual question? KDE4 threads are welcome for legitimate questions and problems. KDE3 threads are welcome for same. But just to troll about how much you hate KDE4 is mind numbingly annoying.
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Michael S. Dunsaavage wrote:
On 8/28/2010 5:11 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME.
I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Just hit the FUCKIN' - DEL - key and SHUT-UP and MOVE ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIRED OF THIS KIND OF FIGHTIN', Duaine It's not the amount of emails about KDE4, it's the emails TROLLING about KDE4. Do people come on your list and just say Grand Pianos suck because bla bla bla and have no actual question? KDE4 threads are welcome for legitimate questions and problems. KDE3 threads are welcome for same. But just to troll about how much you hate KDE4 is mind numbingly annoying.
HELL - YES, except the emails are in reverse, they are about UPRIGHTS and PLAYERS. Nearly 100% of them think that ALL uprights - old and new - AND - PLAYERS - old and new - should have NEVER been made and should be BURNED instead of lovingly and meticulously restored. I fought it until they almost banned me. Although, there were enough upright and player people who complained that if they banned me, they would unsubscribed to the list. AND reminded the list owner that this is a FREE country with the FREEDOM of SPEECH ;-) Duaine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/08/2010 14:15, Duaine Hechler wrote: [pruned]
AND reminded the list owner that this is a FREE country with the FREEDOM of SPEECH ;-)
Duaine
Oh dear...you are an American obviously who thinks that what you think applies to everyone else in the world. In the first place, what you think does not apply to the rest of the world. Secondly, what you think doesn't even apply in your own country. Don't believe me re the last para, look up some rulings of your Supreme Court regarding this part of your Bill of Rights. BC -- Gumperson's Law: The probability of anything happening is in inverse proportion to its desirability. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 28 August 2010 23:11:43 Duaine Hechler wrote:
DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME.
I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Is there a mailing list available that specialises in grand pianos which these people refuse to use just because of...well...because... The point isn't that there are kde emails, it is that there are kde emails WHEN THERE IS A LIST SPECIFICALLY FOR KDE WHICH THESE PEOPLE REFUSE TO USE!!!!!!! Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 28 August 2010 23:11:43 Duaine Hechler wrote:
DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME.
I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Is there a mailing list available that specialises in grand pianos which these people refuse to use just because of...well...because...
No.
The point isn't that there are kde emails, it is that there are kde emails WHEN THERE IS A LIST SPECIFICALLY FOR KDE WHICH THESE PEOPLE REFUSE TO USE!!!!!!!
Anders
BUT, there was an OT list and NOBODY uses it either. So, to me, bottom line, is that every email list has it's own set of problems that never seem to get worked out - and - the list still lives on ! Duaine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote: [pruned]
DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )?
Just hit the FUCKIN' - DEL - key
Not nice, Duaine....not nice.... "Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons." BC -- Gumperson's Law: The probability of anything happening is in inverse proportion to its desirability. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote:
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DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )? They have the same problem - this - list does (opensuse), it is for the WHOLE organization (piano technicians guild)
Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote:
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DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )?
They have the same problem - this - list does (opensuse), it is for the WHOLE organization (piano technicians guild)
Duaine
Plus, since childhood, as least for me, WE have been taught to go to the lowest common denominator - opensuse. Yes, KDE is a part opensuse BUT, again, the lowest common denominator IS opensuse Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/08/2010 16:49, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote:
[pruned]
DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )?
They have the same problem - this - list does (opensuse), it is for the WHOLE organization (piano technicians guild)
Duaine
Plus, since childhood, as least for me, WE have been taught to go to the lowest common denominator - opensuse.
Yes, KDE is a part opensuse BUT, again, the lowest common denominator IS opensuse
Duaine
You have totally lost me.... What does the opensuse mail lists have to do with the "piano technicians guild"? BC -- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 16:49, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote:
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DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )?
They have the same problem - this - list does (opensuse), it is for the WHOLE organization (piano technicians guild)
Duaine
Plus, since childhood, as least for me, WE have been taught to go to the lowest common denominator - opensuse.
Yes, KDE is a part opensuse BUT, again, the lowest common denominator IS opensuse
Duaine
You have totally lost me....
What does the opensuse mail lists have to do with the "piano technicians guild"?
Could we go back to talking about Plasma? ;-) -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
You have totally lost me....
What does the opensuse mail lists have to do with the "piano technicians guild"?
I think he means that grand pianos are in a minority. So kde4 is an upright and kde3 a grand in this analogy. Or maybe it means that there are fewer fish in the sea than three years ago. Or probably the Bach 48 are easier to play on two manuals or Glenn Gould hummed when he played. Or E. None of the above. Have a great fin de semana. And hey, great thread. Saludos, L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/08/2010 19:29, lynn wrote:
You have totally lost me....
What does the opensuse mail lists have to do with the "piano technicians guild"?
I think he means that grand pianos are in a minority. So kde4 is an upright and kde3 a grand in this analogy. Or maybe it means that there are fewer fish in the sea than three years ago. Or probably the Bach 48 are easier to play on two manuals or Glenn Gould hummed when he played. Or E. None of the above.
Have a great fin de semana. And hey, great thread. Saludos, L x
You're just a naughty-type stirrer, aren't you? :-) BC -- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 19:29, lynn wrote:
You have totally lost me....
What does the opensuse mail lists have to do with the "piano technicians guild"?
I think he means that grand pianos are in a minority. So kde4 is an upright and kde3 a grand in this analogy. Or maybe it means that there are fewer fish in the sea than three years ago. Or probably the Bach 48 are easier to play on two manuals or Glenn Gould hummed when he played. Or E. None of the above.
Have a great fin de semana. And hey, great thread. Saludos, L x
You're just a naughty-type stirrer, aren't you? :-)
I was going to add something, too, but I decided to let those seemingly immune to the wrath of the SuSE police take care of that for me. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/08/2010 16:44, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote:
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DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )?
They have the same problem - this - list does (opensuse), it is for the WHOLE organization (piano technicians guild)
I see. So why not start your own mail list? I don't know how but why not ask Lew Wolfgang (you know him) as to how to do it? (Just in case you have forgotten Lew, then go here: wolfgang@sweet-haven.com .) BC -- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 16:44, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote:
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DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )?
They have the same problem - this - list does (opensuse), it is for the WHOLE organization (piano technicians guild)
I see.
So why not start your own mail list? The other one is too well known - and - world wide - just like this one.
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On 29/08/2010 16:54, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 16:44, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote:
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DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )?
They have the same problem - this - list does (opensuse), it is for the WHOLE organization (piano technicians guild)
I see.
So why not start your own mail list?
The other one is too well known - and - world wide - just like this one.
So, you are trying to use this list as a "freebie" for your own business which is limited to your specialised field. How about "spreading your wings" and create your own, say, newsgroup on the usenet? Don't you advertise your business or do you just rely on your signature line in these forums to promote your craft? BC -- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 29 August 2010 11:04:42 Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 16:54, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 16:44, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/08/2010 07:11, Duaine Hechler wrote:
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DAMN PEOPLE - These arguments are KILLING ME. I am also on a - piano tech list - and - MOST - of the emails are for GRANDS messages. For myself, 99% of my clients are UPRIGHTS and UPRIGHT PLAYERS.
It's POINTLESS for me to complain to the email list about the amount of emails that I see about GRANDS.
Why don't you ask to have a mail list created for any keyboard instrument OTHER than a grand piano (be it the full throttle or the baby, like my uncle has - not the mail list but the piano :-) )?
They have the same problem - this - list does (opensuse), it is for the WHOLE organization (piano technicians guild)
I see.
So why not start your own mail list?
The other one is too well known - and - world wide - just like this one.
So, you are trying to use this list as a "freebie" for your own business which is limited to your specialised field.
How about "spreading your wings" and create your own, say, newsgroup on the usenet?
Don't you advertise your business or do you just rely on your signature line in these forums to promote your craft?
This thread has gone from irrelevant to insanely off topic overnight, please take it to the offtopic list or continue it in private mail. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
This thread has gone from irrelevant to insanely off topic overnight, please take it to the offtopic list or continue it in private mail.
Hi Will, sorry to disappoint, but we haven't done seaweed yet. Only then could it be taken off topic, surely. Saludos L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
wstephenson@suse.de : Ilya is trolling, plain and simple. The problem with it is it poisons the list,
Linux popularity :-) -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche & Developpement +261 34 56 000 19 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 8/26/2010 5:23 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
I have just discovered that in KDE3 you can imbeed any windows into the desktop. The windows then has no borders, cannot be moved, shown behind all other windows, disappears from the taskbar and window selector. Like as in this screenshot:
http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/5266021.png
Of note that the application have not to be specially written to allow for that.
What's the purpose of Plasma then? You never stop do you?
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On 8/26/2010 7:33 AM, Michael S. Dunsaavage wrote:
On 8/26/2010 5:23 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
I have just discovered that in KDE3 you can imbeed any windows into the desktop. The windows then has no borders, cannot be moved, shown behind all other windows, disappears from the taskbar and window selector. Like as in this screenshot:
http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/5266021.png
Of note that the application have not to be specially written to allow for that.
What's the purpose of Plasma then? You never stop do you?
Actually, I think it's a perfectly valid question and don't understand why some are so emotional over anything that even tangetially involves kde. Ilya has said nothing inflamatory in any of her posts so far. Rather instead, other people for some reason spontaniously combust in the presence of kde. That is not really here fault but theirs. YOURS. Why not just answer the question if there is one and you know it? When people presented poor arguments in defense of kde4 or questioning "why waste time on that kde3 garbage?" she answered with plain simple facts and pointed out the holes in the logic of some arguments. So now here's your chance to do the same. "Plasma does this and that and the other, none of which are possible without it." Or here's a thought. Maybe she's actually trying to evaluate things and decide if maybe all the kde4 lovers are right? Or at least to be aware of both side of the divide so that if she still like kde3, she knows fully why, and knows fully what she is choosing to live without. Smart people do that sort of thing. They learn all about even the things they don't want. That way when they decide what they will or will not do, what they will or will not use, they do so based on full information instead of the prettiness of the logo or what the cool kids are doing. Instead, you and some others just resort to name calling. If people like that are it's proponents, that alone is almost reason to avoid kde4. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 26. August 2010, 17:24:27 schrieb Brian K. White:
Actually, I think it's a perfectly valid question and don't understand why some are so emotional over anything that even tangetially involves kde. Ilya has said nothing inflamatory in any of her posts so far. Rather instead, other people for some reason spontaniously combust in the presence of kde. That is not really here fault but theirs. YOURS.
Why not just answer the question if there is one and you know it?
I did, did his answer relate to that piece of information he asked for? No. Why not if he was genuinely interested and not just asking rhetorical questions to keep on trolling - you guys try too hard!
When people presented poor arguments in defense of kde4 or questioning "why waste time on that kde3 garbage?" she answered with plain simple facts and pointed out the holes in the logic of some arguments. So now here's your chance to do the same. "Plasma does this and that and the other, none of which are possible without it."
Who decides whether the argument or the judgement is poor? Is claiming that the maintainer of an application does not know the code logical or showing competence?
Or here's a thought. Maybe she's actually trying to evaluate things and decide if maybe all the kde4 lovers are right?
see above. Not reading the information one asked for and not relating to any of it when answering clearly indicates that one was not interested in the first place but just keeps on trolling.
Or at least to be aware of both side of the divide so that if she still like kde3, she knows fully why, and knows fully what she is choosing to live without. Smart people do that sort of thing. They learn all about even the things they don't want. That way when they decide what they will or will not do, what they will or will not use, they do so based on full information instead of the prettiness of the logo or what the cool kids are doing.
And that's why those people oversimplify and are reluctant to use google? http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Do_it_yourself That's what smart people do.
Instead, you and some others just resort to name calling. If people like that are it's proponents, that alone is almost reason to avoid kde4.
Drama, drama, drama! Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 August 2010 11:01:10 Sven Burmeister wrote:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Do_it_yourself That's
I edited that section to fit better with http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Support where is listed proper way to look for help. literally, point by point from top to bottom. Self help is non- interactive help. Whoever did the last edit before transition did not read the article himself, otherwise there will be no duplicated content :) Then he didn't think how it will work: "Post all information that might be needed" for user that has no clue what is needed. Then for article discussion there is Discussion link at the top, or some other public (openSUSE) medium, not personal email address (removed) >:) Eh, there is section "Don't be aggressive" too :) Thanks for pointing to this article. It was long overdue to undo changes that someone put in without consultation with the mail list users (this list in particular). -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Be a boss who listens.to your workers. Ask the opinion of your workers. My girls would never use your system based upon your screenshot. They say it looks like 1990. They want w7, or mac. Kde4 does it. It looks modern and it just works. So they accept it. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 August 2010 20:03:15 lynn wrote:
Be a boss who listens.to your workers. Ask the opinion of your workers. My girls would never use your system based upon your screenshot. They say it looks like 1990. They want w7, or mac. Kde4 does it. It looks modern and it just works. So they accept it. L x
The question is that KDE3's functionality is not known for many and they think Plasma brought something new. This is only a question of functionality. If the reason is only in round buttons, this is not a problem: one can install round buttons on KDE3 as well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-08-26 19:19, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2010 20:03:15 lynn wrote:
Be a boss who listens.to your workers. Ask the opinion of your workers. My girls would never use your system based upon your screenshot. They say it looks like 1990. They want w7, or mac. Kde4 does it. It looks modern and it just works. So they accept it. L x
The question is that KDE3's functionality is not known for many and they think Plasma brought something new. This is only a question of functionality. If the reason is only in round buttons, this is not a problem: one can install round buttons on KDE3 as well.
Look, your question doesn't look serious. Any graphical desktop, even windows 3, has the functionality to draw things in the back of the screen. Then the desktop can build tools on top of that. Kde 2 did, kde 3 did, kde 4 did, and kde 5 will do. Each version will add features, but the basics will be there, of course. And you will be able to do things in older versions imitating functionalities of newer versions. If you are attempting to maintain kde3 you should also know and understand how kde 4 works inside, a bit at least, and don't ask such questions, or do so as sincere questions, no as flame baits. If you are attempting to maintain kde3 for us, that is a good thing, and I appreciate it. If while doing so you try your best to anger kde 4 folks, that is a very bad thing, and I do not appreciate it all. Please don't. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkx298kACgkQU92UU+smfQXiDwCeICv4wwRkAF5RMAnZjf5EkKkB 1rkAoIeCYEXOc+V70iSkZ+RlC+AwoxEH =D0pP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-08-26 Brian offered the following:
On 8/26/2010 7:33 AM, Michael S. Dunsaavage wrote:
On 8/26/2010 5:23 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote: <snip>
What's the purpose of Plasma then?
<snip>
You never stop do you?
Actually, I think it's a perfectly valid question and don't understand why some are so emotional over anything that even tangetially involves kde.
<snip>
Why not just answer the question if there is one and you know it?
...and don't take the bait if you either don't know the answer or feel it is 'trolling'. <snip>.
Instead, you and some others just resort to name calling. If people like that are it's proponents, that alone is almost reason to avoid kde4.
Personally, despite the 'warts' of KDE3 that infrequently become an issue, on some of my older equipment and in a lot of equipment I buy to refurbish (like recently from the public library when they 'upgraded' because what they had would no longer run 'Vista') that refuse to run KDE4 but run KDE3 just fine with 11.3 kernels, I find a valid use for KDE3 and am glad that it is being kept alive and quasi-supported by repackaging for later distro release versions because I can buy $75.00 machines, run openSUSE (with KDE3) and donate the result to orgaanizations like hospital rehab centers for paraplegics that benefit by being able to retrain folks to overcome their handicap(s) and become productive again. I couldn't afford to donate machines that run KDE4 (in most cases). Brian is one of the good guys on this forum and even if I disagreed with him, which I don't, I would certainly give him the benefit of a doubt, regardless of the issue. so, +100 Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
El 26/08/10 05:23, Ilya Chernykh escribió:
I have just discovered that in KDE3 you can imbeed any windows into the desktop. The windows then has no borders, cannot be moved, shown behind all other windows, disappears from the taskbar and window selector. Like as in this screenshot:
http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/5266021.png
Of note that the application have not to be specially written to allow for that.
What's the purpose of Plasma then?
I think that in KDE3 it was just something in the air that nobody realized but now KDE people in KDE4 wanted to give a try in a high scale. Of course high scale projects bring high risks. IMO worthwhile risks :) -- Hernán Thiers García Estudiante de Ingeniería en Informática / I.T. Engineering Student Home +56 - 45 - 287366 Mobile +56 - 9 - 3779421 Skype: +56 258 13910 # 565 / internaldrums Twitter: Hernan_CL Blog: http://southernlink.blogspot.com Temuco, Chile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Basil Chupin -
Brian K. White -
Carlos E. R. -
Dave Howorth -
Duaine Hechler -
Dylan -
Hernan Thiers -
Ilya Chernykh -
Istvan Gabor -
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lynn -
Michael S. Dunsaavage -
Mihamina Rakotomandimby -
phanisvara das -
Rajko M. -
Richard Creighton -
Sven Burmeister -
Tony Alfrey -
Will Stephenson